Gay marriage

Full story: Los Angeles Times

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.
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“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

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#35642 Mar 14, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Xbox says "yes".
Pietrocchio lies.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35643 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I like quotes.
When I state a evolutionary fact; At its most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior,
Or a medical fact; Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning,
No one has the right to demand it is wrong to speak the truth.
Smile.
I like quotes too. That is why I post quotes, lots of them, mostly from the Bible. Here is one now:

1 Peter 4:15 KJV, "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters."

I am not a fan of anal sex and it is such a huge turn off that one time when I was asked to do it I could not perform. All I could think of was getting shit on my dick and I do believe that would be unhealthy. And if I was infected with HIV it certainly would be harmful to the young lady who asked me to try it. The second time I objected because of the shit thing I was convinced to use a rubber. A good friend of mine did her from the front and I did her from the back, once was enough for me. The young lady liked two guys at once but I never did the anal thing ever again. I really hate it. Even the thought of it I hate.

I do not see how something can be demeaning when two consenting adults voluntarily engage in a peaceful activity. Anyway your subjective truth is not objective truth and while sex to make babies may be an evolutionary fact so is sexual recreation purely for enjoyment with out any thought about making a baby. I have never demanded you don't speak your truth, what I have always questioned is why you do it in the gay lesbian forum as it is unwelcome except to your fellow bigots and the misguided gays who love to justify their existence.

One of my cousins gay friends tired to get me to pee on him and while it would not be much different than peeing on the ground I still refused. You might say he was asking to be demeaned, and if so, that is his problem and not yours.

If consenting adults agree to demeaning sexual activities with each other it is not any of your business and it is not any of my business. The best we can do is stay out of it.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35644 Mar 14, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Hmmmm........ since THIS discussion is titled GAY MARRIAGE, one wonders why you chose to discuss your red herring of polygamy here. Are there no polygamy forums? Nah..... then you couldn't hijack the conversation in yet another feeble minded attempt to try to feel superior.
And why can't you see how you have hijacked this discussion and how?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35645 Mar 14, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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They aren't facts, wack-a-doodle. They are one person's opinions. And you are too stupid to know the difference.
People who are too stupid should not say other people are too stupid. You complain about Frankie bringing in Polygamy claiming it is off topic, while you calling people names is way more off topic. When is the last time you posted something on topic? Never?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35646 Mar 14, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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"facts"? Too funny.
X-breath calls her/his/its off topic insults facts. It is too funny. When is the last time X-breath posted something on topic? Can anyone remember? Was it NEVER!!!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35647 Mar 14, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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That's another red herring Miss Thing. Get a real argument. Are you advocating equality or just trying to get back at me for advocating equality for you?
That makes it quite clear just how contradictory, inconsistent and ignorant all of X-breaths off topic posts are. It is clear, just like as it is with Comrade Sheepie, that their only concern right now is to waste as much time as possible giving you negative judge-its and repeating the same old, tired and wholly unconvincing assertions as if they had a valid point.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#35648 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Nothing 'evolved'.
You are ignoring reality. A clear sign of insanity.
You need a letter like I have.
Smile.
You haven't evolved, snatch-man; everyone else has.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35649 Mar 14, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Tell him why. Try for once to use this forum for it's intended purpose. You are just here to insult people for having differing opinions.
You disagree with some one, give a reason, don't just insult him. You're a troll.
Nicely said and exactly right. X-breath is too simple minded to do anything but insult and call names. He complains about off topic posts then never discuses anything but instead calls people names. That is exactly what a troll is. X-Breath is a troll, no question about it.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#35650 Mar 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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It is always like this with radical socialists. Getting back to Larry Brinkin: The failure of a Christian leader is considered endemic and representative; the failure of a gay leader is considered an aberrant exception. Why the unequal treatment?
It is unlikely we'll ever be able to get our Comrade Commies to be objective, impartial and honest. In fact impossible is probably the best word to use.
But, you ask, who was Larry Brinkin? He was “a central figure in the gay rights movement,” a man who was so influential that,“The San Francisco board of supervisors actually gave a ‘Larry Brinkin Week’ in February 2010 upon his retirement.” It was Brinkin who first used the term “domestic partnerships” in a legal dispute, marking a watershed moment in gay activist history, yet news of his alleged crimes against infants and children, not to mention his alleged White Supremacist leanings, has received very little media attention.
When evangelical leader Ted Haggard fell, the media was quick to pounce, suggesting that this exposed the corrupt nature of evangelical Christianity as a whole. And media leaders have done this repeatedly whenever there has been a scandal connected to an evangelical (or Catholic) leader, and the news is blared from the headlines. But where, I ask you, is the outrage or the front page news when a gay leader commits atrocities such as those allegedly committed by Larry Brinkin?
Can you believe these clowns with their "Who?" schtick when referring to Brinkin, a hero in the gay rights movement and the "father of gay marriage"? Now he's "Who?"

That's the beauty of Topix to these jackasses. Lies have no penalty.
Blessed Reverend-s Sons

Sonoma, CA

#35651 Mar 14, 2014
You are liberal poops. This is so. God has said, through the Blessed Reverend, that all gay and lesbian fornicating is because they don't have enough to do. When they are challenged by having to succeed on their own...they will straighten up and go armed into the Kingdom of Heaven. When they are surrounded by misdeed making social security, foodstamps, rental assistance, mediacer, medicaid, unions, disability anything, women's nonsense, evil music, pensions, foreigners, false language, discounts, regulations, fake science that is false and against the WORD...why then they will never know the pride that comes with making it happen by themselves. They will only know the adicting shame of needing "my check". Hooey, says The Blessed reverend, Deport them all, NOW". He speaks for God and he speaks for us.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#35652 Mar 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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X-breath calls her/his/its off topic insults facts. It is too funny. When is the last time X-breath posted something on topic? Can anyone remember? Was it NEVER!!!
Right. Never. The closest he came was polygamy in African villages as a reason to deny it in the USA. That was his only attempt at greatness I've seen and of course it was a miserable fail.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35653 Mar 14, 2014
anonymous: You're still dodging the reality that your friend Rose is just as vigilante and dogmatic as Sheeple. Sounds to me like you're working the minority angle.

ALAN: Well you always look for the worst in people don't you. I do not know much about Rose except that I felt people were attacking her unfairly. Many of her comments are clever and funny. I am willing to discuss the issues with her and we'll see how that goes.

anonymous: As a more "practical applications" kind of libertarian, I prefer to keep in anonymity while challenging blacks to engage in dialog online. They need to stop depending on the PC police and I personally would like to rid myself of the cliche stereotypes that exist to this day concerning American blacks.

ALAN: Can you think of someone better than Walter Williams to explain race in America?

Anonymous: I don't patronize. I don't try to pretend that I've payed my dues in the ghetto. On the other hand, I prefer to think that at some level, I can "think/empathize" with blacks because it's in the genes. It just so happens that we already live in a mixed up culture and none of us really know where the borders begin and end.

ALAN: We all have common ancestors and what we call race is nothing more than a result of climate and local food.

Anonymous: I prefer to find those boundaries by introducing a genuine wake-up call for morality. Morality begins with understanding, not posing as something you aren't. I prefer to consider the desired result as something that people wanted all along. They just don't always understand how to get that thing for themselves because they are too interested in how others see them. They need to see themselves without bias, and thus better understand the way that others actually see them.

ALAN: The part in the brain that can "self observe" lies dormant and does not function in modern human beings. Of course no one "sees" themselves, they are not even interested in looking, what from being convinced that they already know everything there is to know about themselves. This is one of the Chief Delusions of modern man. You are not exempt.

Anonymous: You're playing a puppet game. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that you're sticking to artificial definitions of civility because you have a goal here that you are hiding. That is why you're really no different than Sheeple or others. Don't bother saying you don't understand because the point is that you really don't care to understand. You don't care to be involved in the real world. You're just cherry picking your politically correct poses while shaking the tree to see what goodies fall out of it.

ALAN: And how are you any different than a thousand other people trying to sell the keys to the gates of heaven? And you do not have a clue why I am posting here, not a clue.

Anonymous: My point still stands. You simply cannot reconcile your libertarian values with Rose's "Federal Right to enforce tolerance" dogma.....but you don't UNDERSTAND!!!!!

ALAN: I do understand. You refuse to accept that Rose can learn new things and I would like to present the opportunity by using blacks to explain it and then see what can happen. You dismiss Rose with out giving her a chance. I do not like that. I gave Sheepie a chance and when I realized he was a brain dead communist I now step over his posts like I step over dog shit on the sidewalk.

Anonymous: You respond with a nothing and blend back into the crowd to mingle. OK. Set the clock back a few seconds.. You were BORN GAY, starting in five.....four......three.....t wo......

ALAN: If that is what it takes for your elevator to make it all the way to the top, go for it.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#35654 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
No, your response is clearly the opinion. An idiotic one at that.
Smile.
It's true X-breath, your response was just your opinion, nothing more, and it was idiotic.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#35655 Mar 14, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Waitaminit! The Rev simple pointed out:
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All registered voters in the State of California, who chose to vote, did voted, to maintain the legal definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman as husband and wife. It applies to all men and all women.
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Frankie's just having fun, but he does offer intelligent opinions as well. He cracks jokes on lots of people not just "gays and lesbians"......don't forget the bisexuals.
We've ALREADY had this discussion......just because a Proposition is placed on the ballot to be voted on here in California....DOESN'T mean the Proposition is Constitutional as it NEVER goes through ANY review process!!!

By the way, both Prop 22 and Prop 8 were NOTHING more than propositions aimed to harm Gays and Lesbians here in California....both propositions were LEGALLY challenged and ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as they both should have been.......one was on our books for over 8 years....and the other took another 5 years to get tossed!!!

I DON'T give a crap what Rev Alan has pointed out.....he also thinks Rizzo is a great person, but that is NOTHING more than his opinion!!!

Frankie is an IDIOT and does NOTHING but insult those who debate with him and then calls them names yet whines about being treated as he is!!!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#35656 Mar 14, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
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We've ALREADY had this discussion......just because a Proposition is placed on the ballot to be voted on here in California....DOESN'T mean the Proposition is Constitutional as it NEVER goes through ANY review process!!!
By the way, both Prop 22 and Prop 8 were NOTHING more than propositions aimed to harm Gays and Lesbians here in California....both propositions were LEGALLY challenged and ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as they both should have been.......one was on our books for over 8 years....and the other took another 5 years to get tossed!!!
I DON'T give a crap what Rev Alan has pointed out.....he also thinks Rizzo is a great person, but that is NOTHING more than his opinion!!!
Frankie is an IDIOT and does NOTHING but insult those who debate with him and then calls them names yet whines about being treated as he is!!!
I feel your love.~smooch!~
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#35657 Mar 14, 2014

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#35658 Mar 14, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Husband implies wife, just as night implies day. Can you imagine Cole Porter composing a song called "Day and Day"? And he was kind of gay.
Why are you trying to make this an issue? It's not!
You can call yourself whatever the fk you like!
It's just not a legal issue.

I just wrong a song called "Day and Day".
Here are the lyrics:
"Charlie Feather's in the closet
Day and Day
The only sex on his mind's
Gay and gay"

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#35659 Mar 14, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Husband = male spouse implies that the spouse is the wife.
Just as there is same-sex marriage and opposite-sex marriage, there is no-sex marriage where gender is ignored. All "same-sex marriage" states are effectively no-sex marriage states, since there is no longer any gender requirement. There is no necessity to be either a man or a woman. It is only necessary to be a person.
Good.
Then the people involved in the marriage can choose.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#35660 Mar 14, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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However, from an evolutionary science perspective, at it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Ss couples are a defective failure of mating behavior making ss marriage an oxymoron.
Smile.
Not true.
Marriage is a contract involving property exchange.
Look up "dowry", and think of the father giving the bride away, that points to a time when the bride was part of the property being exchanged.

People have always been able to mate just fine without marriage.
Prove me wrong.
Show us where people have not been able to reproduce unless married.
:)

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#35661 Mar 14, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Marriage implicates society, its values, its fundamental assumptions, its expectations, so that includes me. No man is an island, and unless one is living alone on an island, whatever one does affects those around him. What has gay marriage done? It has legitimized homosexuality. It has incited governmental promotion of homosexuality as morally acceptable behavior in schools, businesses and work places. It has led to penalties for any who reject the doctrine and values implicit in homosexual acceptance. It has directly affected churches and people of religion, driving them away or punishing them. I could write a whole chapter on this, but suffice it to say, the politics of homosexual acceptance is not innocuous. It is not a live-and-let-live movement. It seeks to supplant the traditional moral foundation of Western civilization, to which I happen to be particularly attached. Excuse me for defending my culture and cultural heritage. I am no more willing to submit to the homosexual, leftist, fascist, atheistic agenda that I am willing to submit to Sharia Law. In my view, both are alien, strange and unadapted to our culture.
Marriage does not implicate society. Such nonsense.

Right. There IS nothing wrong with homosexuality.

This is just more of your foolish condemnations and abuse.

That's correct. You really need to keep your abusive behavior to yourself.

Don't bother writing a book. Nobody will be interested in reading your bigoted drivel.

Why don't you accept homosexuals Charlie?

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