Gay 'marriage' has unintended consequences

[gemelk]

Dan wrote:

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Most Americans try to do what's right, not what's wrong.

So do most homosexuals. What's your point?!

If sexual orientation is the choice as you claim then we should have independent parties document 5 heterosexuals and 5 homosexuals change their sexuality for a period of at least 6 months.

How convenient for you to hide behind "Most Americans try to do what's right, not what's wrong" because then you can't prove me or any homosexual wrong!

You cannot prove us wrong!

Eric

[Past Paradisian]

Brian in DeSabla wrote:

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No it does not.
But it is a proven fact that children with Mother and Father to raise them do substantially better in all realms of life.
And I'm not saying that they ALL turn out good! Some people are just born rotten.

Maybe it's true that children with mother and father to raise them.......
BUT we don't have nearly the documentation of same-sex households to learn from, do we?
Also, what about broken homes?(as in, single parenting)
In short...isn't it really all about HOW a child is raised and not my WHO???

[ACLU-Tom]

Wil, are you trying to say that gay people aren't American? I always suspected you were an unpatriotic idiot, given your twisting of the Constitution to suit your own devious ends.

Dan wrote:

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Most Americans try to do what's right, not what's wrong.

[Brian in DeSabla]

gemelk wrote:

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And why are you so focused on my "egg bags"? Does your wife know you lust for sex with men?
Eric

Eric, Simmering your egg bag has nothing to do with sex. But thank you for the good laugh!
Also egg bags was plural refering to anyone who would get festered over that statement.

[Brian in DeSabla]

ACLU-Tom wrote:

Wil, are you trying to say that gay people aren't American? I always suspected you were an unpatriotic idiot, given your twisting of the Constitution to suit your own devious ends.
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Anti Christ Loser United tom,
You sir are twisted and spun, there is nothing in his statement saying anything about gays not being American. Take a pill Be-autch!

[Brian in DeSabla]

BlueLamp wrote:

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If you're a cop you should be careful what you wish for. You could have everyone vote that people should be able to keep any kind of weapons they want...including automatic weapons and explosives. Without permits. Oh and watch out for the vote to make all search warrants illegal. You want to live in a country or a state that could change that drastically, that suddenly - with a vote???

Then the law abiding citizens would have the same arms as the criminals, gangs and terrorists.
Should we leave them all (weapons) to the non law abiding, non citizens and criminals?
It is a fact that citizens that are allowed to protect (arm) them selves, the crime rates plummet.
Currently a county (I don’t remember which) in Florida allows the people to carry and there crimes have drastically decreased.
In the 1920s it is said that people were very polite and kind to each other because they knew that the other had a weapon and had the right to use it if threatened.
Sad but true, Peace by Power!
I seriously doubt for one second that the populous would vote out all search warrants. Remember the silent MAJORITY! Not everyone is a liberal lunatic.
Also it is O.K. to live in a country or a state that could change that drastically, that suddenly - with FOUR JUDGES?!

[Rose T-H]

Hey Everyone,
For those who feel that the passing of Proposition 8 will trump the California State Supreme Courts ruling back on the 15th of May, you might want to go and seek some LEGAL ADVICE.
Some of the TOP Lawyers in the State are pretty sure that ALL of the Same-Sex Marriages that have been performed and will be performed between now and the November Election, will NOT necessarily be NULL and VOID. There is NO RETRO Clause in the Proposition.
It will just mean that MARRIAGES performed in the FUTURE, could have issues.
The other side of this coin, would be that the Govenor of California does NOT sign it into Law, or that it will face immediate Court Challenge.
This one could be tied up in the Courts for years and most likely will end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.
Take care everyone.
Remember there has been NO victory for either side yet.
One other thing to point out, Gays and Lesbians did not lose today, the California Supreme Court just chose NOT to hear the case YET.
Stay tune, for the BATTLE WILL CONTINUE.

[Past Paradisian]

Secor wrote:

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All homosexual acts are VERY wrong:
Rom 1:26-27
1 Cor 6:9
1 Tim 1:9-10
Lev 18:22-23
Lev 20:13
Gen 19:5-8

Are you basing your total opinion on this? Ok, you're entitled to your opinion. But there are plenty of us who disagree with you.
Now.....can you state any LEGAL reason why same-sex marriage is wrong??? After all, the courts involved are dealing with LAW and not the bible.

[ltndncr59]

Brian in DeSabla wrote:

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No it does not.
But it is a proven fact that children with Mother and Father to raise them do substantially better in all realms of life.
And I'm not saying that they ALL turn out good! Some people are just born rotten.

No, all the studies say two PARENTS, not a mother and father. And you keep saying 'proven fact,' but never offer proof.

[Past Paradisian]

ltndncr59 wrote:

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No, all the studies say two PARENTS, not a mother and father. And you keep saying 'proven fact,' but never offer proof.

I would be interested in this "proof" as well.
Also, there are plenty of people who turn out ok with just ONE parent. Like I said earlier...it's not WHO does the parenting, it's HOW!!

[fuzi]

Brian in DeSabla wrote:

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Good try, typical liberal spin. I never threatend you in any way shape or form.
You fuzi need some serious anger management.

I am not angry, I am resolute. I refuse to be intimidated any longer by bullies like you. I grew up learning how to protect myself with proper use of weapons, and I am licensed to carry, which I do whenever I leave my home. It is because of people like you that I feel such a step is necessary.

[Past Paradisian]

Porky wrote:

Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.

Please!!!!! How can you say that homosexuals are not the same as other people?????? To they have jobs? Car payments? Mortgages? go to the grocery store? Give gifts at christmas and birthdays? Get a grip Porky!!
If they are obsess about anything (just because they prefer something other than yourseld, you call it perversion), it would be to get equal treatment within society! What "social ills" are you talking about? besides being treated like second rate citizens...or do you even qualify them AS citizens?

We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage.

Which is what all of the hooplah is about here!! Open minded people (not to mention, the gay community) are trying to get things changed to reflect current society.

Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.

First of all, go look up the word 'fraud'.
Secondly, you have some nerve!! By your implication that homosexuals are UNEQUAL!!!!!!!

No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.

WHY!?!?! Other than your biblical crap. Give some legal basis for this nonsense!!

Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.
Children are the usual and natural result of real marriage. No child will EVER be born as a direct result of a homosexual relationship, so homomarriage fails on this one, too!

Haven't we already gone over this territory here? Just becawse you can't seem to grasp ideas that are in the 21st century doesn't mean that you have to keep bringing up the same old-same old.

Having both a mother and father in the home is one of the best statistical predictors of a child's future success in life. No homosexual relationship can provide this.

Again, all any "report" I've ever read merely says "two parents". Do you have some proof?? Something that we can all see here to back up your sorry claims?

Marriage is recognized as moral and necessary by nearly all Americans. Americans overwhelmingly reject homosexual "marriage" and most find homosexual acts to be immoral and damaging.

Because of small minds, ancient ideals, even older laws (again, why we're here...to bring things up to date) and the seemingly inability of too many people to make their own decisions and not blindly follow where someone who declares that the bible is the only way of life on this planet. Which, if that was the case, why aren't we all being struck dead already?

[Past Paradisian]

Randolph wrote:

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Thanks for confirming that you can't refute even one of the major differences between marriage and anything homosexual.
That really knocks the bottom out of your political charade.

I have, in previous posts here done just that...(maybe you should go back and read what I, as well as others, have said)
I thought that perhaps a different tactic would get somewhere...obviously not though.
And I'm still waiting for someone to say something "political" and not just the usual biblical jibberish.

[gemelk]

Randolph wrote:

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Thanks for confirming that you can't refute even one of the major differences between marriage and anything homosexual.
That really knocks the bottom out of your political charade.

And yet, we homosexuals continue to gain ground on all fronts!

Eric

[Rose T-H]

Past Paradisian wrote:

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Please!!!!! How can you say that homosexuals are not the same as other people?????? To they have jobs? Car payments? Mortgages? go to the grocery store? Give gifts at christmas and birthdays? Get a grip Porky!!
If they are obsess about anything (just because they prefer something other than yourseld, you call it perversion), it would be to get equal treatment within society! What "social ills" are you talking about? besides being treated like second rate citizens...or do you even qualify them AS citizens?
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Which is what all of the hooplah is about here!! Open minded people (not to mention, the gay community) are trying to get things changed to reflect current society.
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First of all, go look up the word 'fraud'.
Secondly, you have some nerve!! By your implication that homosexuals are UNEQUAL!!!!!!!
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WHY!?!?! Other than your biblical crap. Give some legal basis for this nonsense!!
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Haven't we already gone over this territory here? Just becawse you can't seem to grasp ideas that are in the 21st century doesn't mean that you have to keep bringing up the same old-same old.
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Again, all any "report" I've ever read merely says "two parents". Do you have some proof?? Something that we can all see here to back up your sorry claims?
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Because of small minds, ancient ideals, even older laws (again, why we're here...to bring things up to date) and the seemingly inability of too many people to make their own decisions and not blindly follow where someone who declares that the bible is the only way of life on this planet. Which, if that was the case, why aren't we all being struck dead already?

Hi Past Paradisian,
Any posting from IL, is one you might not want to engage with. This person has used at least 25 different user names, but trully only knows how to copy and paste the same posting.
Have a good day.

[Past Paradisian]

Rose T-H wrote:

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Hi Past Paradisian,
Any posting from IL, is one you might not want to engage with. This person has used at least 25 different user names, but trully only knows how to copy and paste the same posting.
Have a good day.

Thanks Rose....I thought I recognized that drivel that he posted.
Barb

[Brian in DeSabla]

fuzi wrote:

<quoted text>I am not angry, I am resolute. I refuse to be intimidated any longer by bullies like you. I grew up learning how to protect myself with proper use of weapons, and I am licensed to carry, which I do whenever I leave my home. It is because of people like you that I feel such a step is necessary.

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you:'No servant is greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law:'They hated me without reason.' Jesus.
John 15:18-25

[BlueLamp]

Porky wrote:

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Hadn't you heard? Your hate based political charade has been exposed as the fraud that it is:
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that permits the oxymoron.

That's a lie. You've never posted anything that supports that. And even if only a few thousand homosexuals wanted to marry in each country. Who are you to say that their love isn't valid? How is your marriage going?

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.

No, actually according to the CDC, as of 2005 there were ZERO cases of lesbian to lesbian HIV infection and well over 200,000 cases of heterosexual HIV infection. According to your moronic reasoning, maybe we should just outlaw all marriage except for lesbian marriages, for the sake of health concerns. I'm a male homosexual. My relationship is completely monogamous and we seldom have sex just as many married couples seldom have sex after they've been together for quite a while. Why? Because when you're in love, a truly loving relationship, so many psychological needs are met that are connected to sex, that the sex drive automatically drops a great deal. This is a common occurrence in heterosexual and homosexual marriage. Of course when this happens, sometimes one or both partners will sabotage their own marriage by thinking "Oh, I'm not really in love", basically because they don't understand what has happened.

Porky wrote:

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No homosexual "marriage" is recognized by the US Government. We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.

True. For now.

Porky wrote:

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No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage.

A ridiculous assertion. Obviously, right now, as we speak, there are homosexual partnerships and marriages that are going much better than some heterosexual partnerships and marriages. And certainly there are homosexuals who are married to an opposite sex heterosexual partner, in loveless relationships, high-risk for child molestation, acting out in not only that sick manner, but also participating in anonymous sex in bathrooms as Senator Craig most certainly attempted, doing drugs and paying for sex with other men as Ted Haggard, the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals certainly did. You have some nerve to judge the quality of all gay marriages as somehow being the same with your blanket bigotry when the marriages that are spawned from the spreading of your ridiculous nonsense are an unfortunate loveless destructive joke and many homosexual couples spend devoted happy faithful lives together.

[BlueLamp]

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>It is of course ludicrous to claim that "equal rights" are involved in trying to disenfranchise others on the legal definition of marriage.

No, it's actually ludicrous to claim that somehow heterosexual marriages will be devalued by allowing homosexuals to marry. If someone were suggesting that the definition of marriage should be changed to mean ONLY a union between two people of the same sex, then you would actually have an argument here. But no one is suggesting that heterosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. It's you that is wanting to affect the rights of other consenting adults. Not the homosexuals. Your stance on this is extremely unAmerican and no different from religious conservatives that argued God didn't mean for the races to mix and had interracial marriage banned in 17 states in the 1960s, claiming that: "We all have equal rights already!!! We all have the equal right to marry someone from our own race!!!" Bigotry, plain and simple. Thank God the US Supreme Court didn't see it your way.

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.

Just another baseless assertion. Here is a link to famous homosexual couples who have been together for years:

http://www.buddybuddy.com/famous.html

But evidently in your pea brain, WillyBea, Brittney Spears 55 hour marriage is somehow superior to the many gay and lesbian couples who have been together for more than 50 years.

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage, and the two are VERY different.

Certainly they do. The government usually keeps marriage records for statistical purposes. They also keep records for legal purposes. Certainly in a case where someone dies unexpectedly and doesn't have a will, it's beneficial to know who the spouse is...especially if children are involved. The government in some states requires blood tests of marriage certificate applicants. Public health is obviously another valid governmental concern. And finally, whether the government has a valid concern to know if people are married or not, shouldn't play a part in a consenting adult's right to marry. If someone decided that only married couples with children were a valid concern of the government, would all couples who decide against having children have to have their marriages annulled? Of course not. That's ridiculous.

[BlueLamp]

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.

Uhh...didn't you already say that?

Porky wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage is indeed very different from any homosexual relationship:
Here are some MAJOR differences between real marriage and any sort of homosexual relationship, especially regarding any governmental involvement:
Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.

Marriage and heterosexual families are the basic building block of any society. Do you know why? Because 90+% of any society is heterosexual and obviously heterosexuals produce children quickly and effectively through biological means. But that doesn't take away from the fact that hermaphrodites are born and usually assigned one sex or the other at birth (and only about half the time does the surgeon get it right - the other half of the time the physical assignment doesn't match with the gender identity in the brain), people with various chromosomal conditions are born having the physical characteristics of BOTH sexes, people with biologically based gender identity disorder are born with their internal (in the brain) gender identity not matching with their physical body, and homosexuals are born with their sexual attraction being directed at the same sex instead of the opposite sex. These people are all HUMANS. No matter what the 'basic building blocks' are, they are every bit as much a part of society as everyone else and they have their place. Certainly homosexual couples can adopt children that would otherwise be in institutions and children being loved by two parents is obviously better on average than children being loved by one parent or NO PARENTS, remaining in the institution. Only a very sick person would rather a child grew up in an institution than being loved by two homosexual parents. America's society is unique from any other. It is a MELTING POT. And as such it should honor all people, no matter how they were born. No matter whether their family is traditional or progressive. Freedom is the American way of life, and you, WillyBea, very much represent the way of life that the original Americans ran from.