Gay marriage controversy reaches NM Supreme Court, but it may not end there

Oct 24, 2013 Full story: Deming Headlight 20

SANTA FE >> Lynn Ellins, the 77-year-old Dona Ana County clerk, took center stage in the summer's loudest controversy when he authorized same-sex marriages in his jurisdiction.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Oct 24, 2013
Did anyone catch the live stream?

From what I read, the justices didn't seem to impressed with the anti-gays arguments- especially those based on religion.

Of note, they didn't order a halt to marriages in the meantime.

Guess we'll find out in a month or so.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#2 Oct 24, 2013
Let the bigots whine all they want....they can't stop progress. One day gay marriage with be legal everywhere.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Oct 24, 2013
And now the anti-gay legislators say they will try to pass a constitutional ban next year when they lose.

Considering the Dems control both the state House & Senate, I doubt they will get anywhere with that nonsense!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Oct 24, 2013
If you want to hear the oral arguments, go to KUMN.org or google "live stream NM supreme court".
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#5 Oct 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
And now the anti-gay legislators say they will try to pass a constitutional ban next year when they lose.
Considering the Dems control both the state House & Senate, I doubt they will get anywhere with that nonsense!
In the mind of a bigot, wanting our civil rights is "demanding special treatment." LOL!

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#6 Oct 24, 2013
I am *still* absolutely astonished at the brainless, thoughtless tantrums the anti-marriage crowd is still demonstrating. Unbelievable.

I clearly remember a lesson our Kindergarten teacher taught us about the meaning of the phrase, "the shoe is on the other foot." She told us that before we make any decision that effects someone else, we must *always* consider how the other person would feel about that decision you're about to make.

Then we all gave examples of decisions we had made that effected other people and whether or not we had done a good job of thinking about the other person.

We were FIVE YEARS OLD and we were already demonstrating more advanced thinking and consideration for others than these idiots are as adults. How is it that they can't seem to think about anyone but themselves and what THEY want??

Unbelievable....

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7 Oct 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
And now the anti-gay legislators say they will try to pass a constitutional ban next year when they lose.
Considering the Dems control both the state House & Senate, I doubt they will get anywhere with that nonsense!
Maybe we should let them. They've been putting these bans on the ballot for a decade, and we refuse to put our rights onto the ballot ourselves. Minnesota legislators considered the vote against the constitutional amendment to be a vote FOR marriage equality. Hence, we obtained marriage in a state that had appeared to be many years away from enactment.

We need to take away the talking point about voters wanting to preserve marriage. The more losses the bigots experience at the ballot box, the better for our side.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#8 Oct 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
If you want to hear the oral arguments, go to KUMN.org or google "live stream NM supreme court".
How ironic that when you go to that website, the top news headline is currently, "Despite Progress, NM Teen Pregnancy Rate Still Tops Charts."

How's that "encouraging procreation" thing goin' for ya', bigots?? It seems like whatever you're doing is being successful beyond your wildest dreams, huh?? Pregnant teenagers!! Whoo-hoo!!! I'm sure you all are proud.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Oct 24, 2013
Wow, the justices pretty much shredded the procreation & historical definition arguments.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Oct 24, 2013
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
How ironic that when you go to that website, the top news headline is currently, "Despite Progress, NM Teen Pregnancy Rate Still Tops Charts."
How's that "encouraging procreation" thing goin' for ya', bigots?? It seems like whatever you're doing is being successful beyond your wildest dreams, huh?? Pregnant teenagers!! Whoo-hoo!!! I'm sure you all are proud.
Oh I'm sure they'll find a way to blame it on the gays!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Oct 24, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe we should let them. They've been putting these bans on the ballot for a decade, and we refuse to put our rights onto the ballot ourselves. Minnesota legislators considered the vote against the constitutional amendment to be a vote FOR marriage equality. Hence, we obtained marriage in a state that had appeared to be many years away from enactment.
We need to take away the talking point about voters wanting to preserve marriage. The more losses the bigots experience at the ballot box, the better for our side.
I see what you're saying, but I really doubt it will ever get on the ballot.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#12 Oct 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I'm sure they'll find a way to blame it on the gays!
I suspect the gay panic defense will rear its ugly head. These young boys, desperate to prove they're not one of them derned homersectuals, raced out to get as many girls pregnant as possible. Then when their dads attack them over their interest in Broadway musicals they can say, "But, Pa, look," as they point to the hordes of pregnant high schoolers hanging out on the front lawn.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#13 Oct 24, 2013
eJohn wrote:
I am *still* absolutely astonished at the brainless, thoughtless tantrums the anti-marriage crowd is still demonstrating. Unbelievable.
I clearly remember a lesson our Kindergarten teacher taught us about the meaning of the phrase, "the shoe is on the other foot." She told us that before we make any decision that effects someone else, we must *always* consider how the other person would feel about that decision you're about to make.
Then we all gave examples of decisions we had made that effected other people and whether or not we had done a good job of thinking about the other person.
We were FIVE YEARS OLD and we were already demonstrating more advanced thinking and consideration for others than these idiots are as adults. How is it that they can't seem to think about anyone but themselves and what THEY want??
Unbelievable....
The also obviously forgot about "The Golden Rule" and the FACT that the First Amendment protects freedom of religion in the US.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#14 Oct 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
The also obviously forgot about "The Golden Rule" and the FACT that the First Amendment protects freedom of religion in the US.
True. But they believe that "Freedom of Religion" means that YOU are free to practice THEIR religion. They don't seem to understand Freedom of Religion also means Freedom *FROM* Religion.

It's because they're stupid and self-centered. If they weren't, they wouldn't be religious to start with.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Oct 24, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect the gay panic defense will rear its ugly head. These young boys, desperate to prove they're not one of them derned homersectuals, raced out to get as many girls pregnant as possible. Then when their dads attack them over their interest in Broadway musicals they can say, "But, Pa, look," as they point to the hordes of pregnant high schoolers hanging out on the front lawn.
So how does it look for the vote in Hawaii next week? Everyone is saying it looks like a slam dunk, which of course makes me a bit nervous.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#16 Oct 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So how does it look for the vote in Hawaii next week? Everyone is saying it looks like a slam dunk, which of course makes me a bit nervous.
No, it's not a slam dunk. Only the Senate has a clear, overwhelming majority in favour of marriage equality. The House, even though it is nearly all Democrats, is very close. The antigay groups are fighting really hard over these days leading up to the vote. They have been bring in "experts" to explain all the harm that gay marriages cause to non-gay unions. None of it makes any sense, of course, but there are a few representatives that have apparently been swayed.

The big argument is over how much protection should be granted to religions and religious people. Many of the churches (remember, this is a HUGE Mormon state) are demanding the right for all churches and people who profess to believe in their god to discriminate against anyone whose lifestyle they disagree with. Talk about a Pandora's Box!!

It is very disheartening to read the papers every day and see the horrible things being said about us. I am only allowed one letter to the editor per month, which I've already used up. Plus, I'm allowed a certain number of op-eds as a former editor of a big gay news magazine. But that is nowhere near enough to offset the crap being spewed from the mouths of these so-called Christians. The fact that neither their god nor their Christ have come down from wherever and smited every one of them for the way they're twisting and wresting Christianity is proof enough that neither exist. Nor have ever existed. Not that it was ever a questions in my own mind.

Just a few more days and we will know how my state is going to handle this matter.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#17 Oct 25, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not a slam dunk. Only the Senate has a clear, overwhelming majority in favour of marriage equality. The House, even though it is nearly all Democrats, is very close. The antigay groups are fighting really hard over these days leading up to the vote. They have been bring in "experts" to explain all the harm that gay marriages cause to non-gay unions. None of it makes any sense, of course, but there are a few representatives that have apparently been swayed.
The big argument is over how much protection should be granted to religions and religious people. Many of the churches (remember, this is a HUGE Mormon state) are demanding the right for all churches and people who profess to believe in their god to discriminate against anyone whose lifestyle they disagree with. Talk about a Pandora's Box!!
It is very disheartening to read the papers every day and see the horrible things being said about us. I am only allowed one letter to the editor per month, which I've already used up. Plus, I'm allowed a certain number of op-eds as a former editor of a big gay news magazine. But that is nowhere near enough to offset the crap being spewed from the mouths of these so-called Christians. The fact that neither their god nor their Christ have come down from wherever and smited every one of them for the way they're twisting and wresting Christianity is proof enough that neither exist. Nor have ever existed. Not that it was ever a questions in my own mind.
Just a few more days and we will know how my state is going to handle this matter.
Could be worse, could be raining....

Here's hoping your legislature does the right thing.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#18 Oct 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Could be worse, could be raining....
Perhaps, but with rain we get rainbows.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#19 Oct 25, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps, but with rain we get rainbows.
Yes you do, and they're quite spectacular! I was stationed at Pearl for a couple of years and loved it. I only wish I had more time to visit the other islands more.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#20 Oct 25, 2013
There's a general rule of law that says that anything is permitted except those things specifically forbidden by law. Since New Mexico law does not specifically forbid the marriage of same gender persons, I expect that the justices will rule that it is legal.

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