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Hawaii Senate Committee Advances Gay Marriage Bill

There are 15 comments on the EDGE story from Oct 29, 2013, titled Hawaii Senate Committee Advances Gay Marriage Bill. In it, EDGE reports that:

Hawaii state Sen. Clayton Hee, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, speaks at a hearing on gay marriage.

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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Oct 29, 2013
Procedure Number One
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Check! ;o))
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Hawaii's star on the Flag of Equal Marriage will appear on the bottom right corner of the blue field; November 18
http://makeitequal.org/

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#2 Oct 29, 2013
From the article, "Sens. Sam Slom and Mike Gabbard voted against advancing the bill. Slom says it has caused division in Hawaii.:

Well, gee. Anything that doesn't have 100% support from each and every individual MUST be evil and wrong....

It's caused division in Hawaii for the same reason it's cause division everywhere else--because the fundies and the haters are making MILLIONS from panicking stupid people over it.

And yet they STILL cannot come up with even one legitimate reason to be against it.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#3 Oct 29, 2013
The only opposition in Hawaii is the Church Quack Klan
http://m0.i.pbase.com/o6/04/318004/1/73285000...

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#4 Oct 29, 2013
One of the surprises for me is that, despite formidable opposition, the legislative committees pass the bills quickly. Back when New Hampshire passed marriage equality, it began with a public hearing. That was followed by executive session in a couple of weeks. And that was followed by delay after delay until the last possible day to vote. Then the whole process began again in the other house. And then the governor had them add some additional language "protecting" religion.

Now, clearly, the committees already had their minds made up before the hearing. Surprisingly enough, I felt like the committees in New Hampshire were actually engaged, even after 10 hours of testimony.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Oct 29, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
One of the surprises for me is that, despite formidable opposition, the legislative committees pass the bills quickly. Back when New Hampshire passed marriage equality, it began with a public hearing. That was followed by executive session in a couple of weeks. And that was followed by delay after delay until the last possible day to vote. Then the whole process began again in the other house. And then the governor had them add some additional language "protecting" religion.
Now, clearly, the committees already had their minds made up before the hearing. Surprisingly enough, I felt like the committees in New Hampshire were actually engaged, even after 10 hours of testimony.
We now have the IRS on our side
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This slams the door shut on the opposition; unless the opposition wants dig in to their offering plates to pay marriage benefits to gay couples

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Oct 29, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
One of the surprises for me is that, despite formidable opposition, the legislative committees pass the bills quickly. Back when New Hampshire passed marriage equality, it began with a public hearing. That was followed by executive session in a couple of weeks. And that was followed by delay after delay until the last possible day to vote. Then the whole process began again in the other house. And then the governor had them add some additional language "protecting" religion.
Now, clearly, the committees already had their minds made up before the hearing. Surprisingly enough, I felt like the committees in New Hampshire were actually engaged, even after 10 hours of testimony.
The Hawaii committee was pretty engaged for about the first hour when they heard testimony from the Gov & AG & other groups. After that is was just individual after individual repeating the same 3 basic comments ad nauseam: against the bible, let the people vote, equal rights.

How many hours of that is any legislator supposed to take?

I thought the full senate was taking up the bill today, but their website shows it scheduled for Wed, followed by the House committees on Thu.

We may still get a bill passed by the end of the week.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#7 Oct 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
The Hawaii committee was pretty engaged for about the first hour when they heard testimony from the Gov & AG & other groups. After that is was just individual after individual repeating the same 3 basic comments ad nauseam: against the bible, let the people vote, equal rights.
How many hours of that is any legislator supposed to take?
I thought the full senate was taking up the bill today, but their website shows it scheduled for Wed, followed by the House committees on Thu.
We may still get a bill passed by the end of the week.
end of the week?

that's pretty blindingly fast, legislatively speaking.

we may have to amend our plans & head to hawaii for that beach side wedding afterall!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#8 Oct 29, 2013
And for those who say, "let the people decide" well they are, by way of their democratically elected representatives.

Put it to a vote of the people? One Big Problem is a SCOTUS ruling from the 1940's

SCOTUS Majority opinion:

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

As for what the Bible says, there are more verses about being NICE and DECENT to the down trodden than there are about gay sex! Yet look at the parts they follow; by your fruits we will know you.

see Matt 25:31-46 and Luke 10:25-37

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#9 Oct 29, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
One of the surprises for me is that, despite formidable opposition, the legislative committees pass the bills quickly. Back when New Hampshire passed marriage equality, it began with a public hearing. That was followed by executive session in a couple of weeks. And that was followed by delay after delay until the last possible day to vote. Then the whole process began again in the other house. And then the governor had them add some additional language "protecting" religion.
Now, clearly, the committees already had their minds made up before the hearing. Surprisingly enough, I felt like the committees in New Hampshire were actually engaged, even after 10 hours of testimony.
It's hard to be "engaged" and pretend like you haven't heard it all before when you HAVE. A LOT. And AGAIN and SOME MORE. lol

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#10 Oct 29, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to be "engaged" and pretend like you haven't heard it all before when you HAVE. A LOT. And AGAIN and SOME MORE. lol
Yup. S.S.D.D.

They keep trying to use the same old ridiculous lunacy to make their case.
1) Sex outside marriage is a sin so we should be celibate (of course ignoring that if we marry it's no longer sinful sex outside of marriage)
2) Gays and lesbians don't produce children (We do and that claim ignores the infertile heteros who are allowed to marry)
3)It will lead to polygamy and pedophilia and bestiality (yet when the laws changed that allowed hetero groups like blacks or the disabled to marry none of that happened, so what makes them think it will happen with us?)

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#11 Oct 30, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. S.S.D.D.
They keep trying to use the same old ridiculous lunacy to make their case.
1) Sex outside marriage is a sin so we should be celibate (of course ignoring that if we marry it's no longer sinful sex outside of marriage)
2) Gays and lesbians don't produce children (We do and that claim ignores the infertile heteros who are allowed to marry)
3)It will lead to polygamy and pedophilia and bestiality (yet when the laws changed that allowed hetero groups like blacks or the disabled to marry none of that happened, so what makes them think it will happen with us?)
Yep.

(Check your inbox)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12 Oct 31, 2013
snyper wrote:
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It's hard to be "engaged" and pretend like you haven't heard it all before when you HAVE. A LOT. And AGAIN and SOME MORE. lol
There is, of course, much repetition from both sides. But equality advocates have been advising testifiers to tell anecdotes and vignettes to illustrate actual problems. This provides for variation and, occasionally, an interesting story (condensed to 90 seconds, of course).

As for the anti-equality side? What are they going to do? Tell the story about the time the cops arrested them for beating up some queers?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#13 Oct 31, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
The Hawaii committee was pretty engaged for about the first hour when they heard testimony from the Gov & AG & other groups. After that is was just individual after individual repeating the same 3 basic comments ad nauseam: against the bible, let the people vote, equal rights.
How many hours of that is any legislator supposed to take?
I thought the full senate was taking up the bill today, but their website shows it scheduled for Wed, followed by the House committees on Thu.
We may still get a bill passed by the end of the week.
So all but four senators voted for marriage yesterday. To read the media going into the debate, you would never have guessed it was so lopsided. Those four did their best to sound like a crowd of opposition. They obviously failed.

This should bode well for the House vote.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Oct 31, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
So all but four senators voted for marriage yesterday. To read the media going into the debate, you would never have guessed it was so lopsided. Those four did their best to sound like a crowd of opposition. They obviously failed.
This should bode well for the House vote.
Actually everyone was predicting an easy passage in the Senate, though maybe not THAT easy.

It's the House which is likely to be a lot closer, though most believe it will still pass about 30-21.

The House is debating today/tonight/tomorrow.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Oct 31, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
(Check your inbox)
got the message. Great news. Thanks my friend.

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