A Hypocritical Silence On Gay Immigra...

A Hypocritical Silence On Gay Immigrants' Rights

There are 54 comments on the techcrunch.com story from May 23, 2013, titled A Hypocritical Silence On Gay Immigrants' Rights. In it, techcrunch.com reports that:

The biggest names in technology have normally been unflinching champions for the rights of same-sex couples. Yet, they were conspicuously silent this week as the Senate rejected the right for American same-sex couples to petition for visas for their foreign-born partners.

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#1 May 23, 2013
When DOMA falls, this will be a non-issue.

The high-tech companies are more interested in being able to hire cheap foreign specialists.

Such activities should be tarriffed to make them unprofitable.

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Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#2 May 23, 2013
You know, you can always see right away which way an article is slanted by the first few lines.

The Senate did not 'reject' the 'right' of same-sex couples to petition -- they were trying to be expedient and get a badly needed immigration bill passed through a Congress heavily stacked with christians!

Let's be reasonable, people! In less than a month the Supreme Court is going to rule on DOMA -- in our favor, most of us expect. Do we really want to be so self-serving and jettison an immigration bill on which the fate of millions depend just to make our point?!

I'm pro-gay marriage like the rest -- maybe more so because my partner and I have actually gotten married (twice, if you count Gavin Newson's failed attempt in SF), AND struggled for 15 years to get permanent residence for one partner where heterosexual couples would have gotten it in a heartbeat. But seriously, are we going to doom this bill knowing the reality of this christian Congress -- SERIOUSLY?!

You just have to wonder -- it's just about getting an attention-grabbing headline, nothing more.

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#3 May 23, 2013
Right on the money.

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#4 May 23, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
You know, you can always see right away which way an article is slanted by the first few lines.
The Senate did not 'reject' the 'right' of same-sex couples to petition -- they were trying to be expedient and get a badly needed immigration bill passed through a Congress heavily stacked with christians!
Let's be reasonable, people! In less than a month the Supreme Court is going to rule on DOMA -- in our favor, most of us expect. Do we really want to be so self-serving and jettison an immigration bill on which the fate of millions depend just to make our point?!
I'm pro-gay marriage like the rest -- maybe more so because my partner and I have actually gotten married (twice, if you count Gavin Newson's failed attempt in SF), AND struggled for 15 years to get permanent residence for one partner where heterosexual couples would have gotten it in a heartbeat. But seriously, are we going to doom this bill knowing the reality of this christian Congress -- SERIOUSLY?!
You just have to wonder -- it's just about getting an attention-grabbing headline, nothing more.
I'm not buying it.

There is always a chance that the supreme court will surprise us all and uphold DOMA.

If that happens we have (once again) institutionalized discrimination against the gay and lesbian community by excluding them from equal protections in this immigration bill.

No inclusion, no support.

I expect immigration reform to pass, but it will do so without my support if there are no protections included and I will be more than happy to vote against, and campaign against, any politician that supports a discriminatory bill.

Support for gay and lesbian equality has been a matter of convenience for progressive liberals for far too long.

I'm over it.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#6 May 23, 2013
if they are illegals then they have no citizens constitutional rights.

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#7 May 23, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I'm not buying it.
There is always a chance that the supreme court will surprise us all and uphold DOMA.
If that happens we have (once again) institutionalized discrimination against the gay and lesbian community by excluding them from equal protections in this immigration bill.
No inclusion, no support.
I expect immigration reform to pass, but it will do so without my support if there are no protections included and I will be more than happy to vote against, and campaign against, any politician that supports a discriminatory bill.
Support for gay and lesbian equality has been a matter of convenience for progressive liberals for far too long.
I'm over it.
Such ideological absolutism cost us dearly in the '70s and '80s, and contributed to extending our fight for additional decades.

You are entirely free to shoot YOURSELF in the foot, but such attitudes will NOT be allowed to do so to our movement
AGAIN.

We have among our numbers, and among our supporters, people who have mortgaged their homes and retirement portfolios to fund our efforts, and to support candidates that are reasonable and able to compromise.

You want to be uncompromising, join the teabaggers.

Go beat your chest all you want ... just be sure you're doing it on your own dime, youngster.

Strategic thinking shows that when DOMA falls, whether by Court Decision or by Congressional Repeal, this issue falls as well.

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#8 May 23, 2013
Penelope wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly agree!
You have just violated TOPIX Terms of Service.

Reported.

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#9 May 23, 2013
lolol wrote:
if they are illegals then they have no citizens constitutional rights.
You don't know the U.S. Constitution very well, do ya?

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#10 May 23, 2013
Gays don't face discrimination in immigration law, the laws apply to them the same way the law applies to everyone else. Gay's have always been able to pass and have every privilege of the majority, it's never been like they have different colored skin.

Keep marriage one man and one woman, Vice President Biden voted to enact DOMA into law when he was in the Senate.

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#11 May 23, 2013
Not THIS whackjob again!

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#12 May 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
When DOMA falls, this will be a non-issue.
The high-tech companies are more interested in being able to hire cheap foreign specialists.
Such activities should be tarriffed to make them unprofitable.
Foreign trained professionals working in the US are not cheap labour. When they want cheap, they outsource to India.

And, speaking of India, one must acknowledge this is where most "foreign" high tech labour comes from. Indians have a great deal coming out of the closet, even when they live in a free country. Remember that the condemnation of homosexuality in Asia is based not so much on religion, as it is in the West, but on violations of social standards and family expectations. It is probably easier for a smart person to reject the former than the latter. Perhaps the high tech's realize that not many of their Indian (or for that matter, Chinese) workers are likely to be involved in same sex marriage so they don't feel it is worth their time. In my own case, my former partner was Russian. However, when you look at most stories about forced separation involving same sex couples where one is a non-US resident, the other is often Latin American, European or Australian. These are not places that produce a lot of high-tech types. Europeans may be more advanced than most of the world on social issues but they are not usually on the cutting edge of technology. Perhaps I overgeneralize, but this is my hunch about the matter.

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#13 May 23, 2013
The Senate's choice was not between gays and skilled workers. It was between getting some kind of immigration bill through Congress or not getting anything passed. Good grief -- we couldn't even get a background check bill through when most of the country supported it! How much less a bill that specifically mentions gay people. That's the reality.

So let's stop accusing gay supporters of failing us. The President has nothing to apologize to the gay community about, yet he was the one who requested that the gay clause be dropped in the interests of getting an immigration bill passed. That's the reality. If an immigration bill makes reference to married couples, that is sufficient, because our fight is about getting recognized as married. LGBT people don't need to be mentioned in every single little bill that passes Congress as though we are some unique category. Our fight is about marriage equality. Once DOMA is repealed, then we automatically fall under the benefits of the proposed immigration bill.

On the other hand, if DOMA doesn't get repealed, then our fight continues to be about marriage, not about any of the individual benefits that marriage brings.

We've got to be seen as reasonable people -- not this hysterical knee-jerk reaction whenever we been 'wronged'! I, for one, refuse to be associated with the gay equivalent of the tea-party whose sole purpose and every tantrum serves to block legislation in Congress.

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#14 May 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Such ideological absolutism cost us dearly in the '70s and '80s, and contributed to extending our fight for additional decades.
You are entirely free to shoot YOURSELF in the foot, but such attitudes will NOT be allowed to do so to our movement
AGAIN.
We have among our numbers, and among our supporters, people who have mortgaged their homes and retirement portfolios to fund our efforts, and to support candidates that are reasonable and able to compromise.
You want to be uncompromising, join the teabaggers.
Go beat your chest all you want ... just be sure you're doing it on your own dime, youngster.
Strategic thinking shows that when DOMA falls, whether by Court Decision or by Congressional Repeal, this issue falls as well.
FK you and your "teabaggers". Is that plain enough?

There are real people who will suffer because some your willing to trade THEIR equality in exchange for something you think is more important.

I've been fighting for equality out here in the real world most of my life and I won't be lectured to by some pretentious POS that that thinks He/She speaks for an entire community.

I voiced my opinion just the same as you did and if you have a problem with that...up yours granny.

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#15 May 23, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
The Senate's choice was not between gays and skilled workers. It was between getting some kind of immigration bill through Congress or not getting anything passed. Good grief -- we couldn't even get a background check bill through when most of the country supported it! How much less a bill that specifically mentions gay people. That's the reality.
So let's stop accusing gay supporters of failing us. The President has nothing to apologize to the gay community about, yet he was the one who requested that the gay clause be dropped in the interests of getting an immigration bill passed. That's the reality. If an immigration bill makes reference to married couples, that is sufficient, because our fight is about getting recognized as married. LGBT people don't need to be mentioned in every single little bill that passes Congress as though we are some unique category. Our fight is about marriage equality. Once DOMA is repealed, then we automatically fall under the benefits of the proposed immigration bill.
On the other hand, if DOMA doesn't get repealed, then our fight continues to be about marriage, not about any of the individual benefits that marriage brings.
We've got to be seen as reasonable people -- not this hysterical knee-jerk reaction whenever we been 'wronged'! I, for one, refuse to be associated with the gay equivalent of the tea-party whose sole purpose and every tantrum serves to block legislation in Congress.
Why is it that when a gay man voices an opinion that is different from your own he is branded a "teabagger"?

I've seen that from two of you on this thread so far.

I happen to believe that equal protection is worth fighting for.

Put it in the bill and fight to get it passed.

I can not in good conscience support a bill that is on its face discriminatory.

That's how I feel. I expressed it in a reasonable manner, so why all the hostility just because some people don't agree with your position?

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#16 May 23, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
FK you and your "teabaggers". Is that plain enough?
There are real people who will suffer because some your willing to trade THEIR equality in exchange for something you think is more important.
I've been fighting for equality out here in the real world most of my life and I won't be lectured to by some pretentious POS that that thinks He/She speaks for an entire community.
I voiced my opinion just the same as you did and if you have a problem with that...up yours granny.
"....because you're willing to trade..."

Bad edit, but you get my point.

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#17 May 23, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
FK you and your "teabaggers". Is that plain enough?
There are real people who will suffer because some your willing to trade THEIR equality in exchange for something you think is more important.
I've been fighting for equality out here in the real world most of my life and I won't be lectured to by some pretentious POS that that thinks He/She speaks for an entire community.
I voiced my opinion just the same as you did and if you have a problem with that...up yours granny.
You don't understand politics.

The fall of DOMA solves the problem you're raving about.

The reverse is not true.

It's PATIENCE and STRATEGY, child.

Learn both.

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#18 May 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't understand politics.
The fall of DOMA solves the problem you're raving about.
The reverse is not true.
It's PATIENCE and STRATEGY, child.
Learn both.
I'm not a child. I know more about politics and how things work behind the scenes than a condescending self indulgent know it all like you is ever going to believe and there is still a big "IF" in there about whether or not DOMA is going to be around for a while.

Tell the people who will be denied equal protection under the law about your strategy and see how they feel.

Look, I didn't come here to fight. I voiced my opinion and ended up with some seventies disco queen calling me a teabagger.

Doing the right thing is never wrong. Doing the wrong thing is never right, no matter how you justify it.

In the end, you're going to get your way. Immigration reform will pass and gay and lesbian couples will be forced to separate because they have no legal protections.

Why all the hostility toward me simply because I won't go along with that?

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#19 May 23, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a child. I know more about politics and how things work behind the scenes than a condescending self indulgent know it all like you is ever going to believe and there is still a big "IF" in there about whether or not DOMA is going to be around for a while.
Tell the people who will be denied equal protection under the law about your strategy and see how they feel.
Look, I didn't come here to fight. I voiced my opinion and ended up with some seventies disco queen calling me a teabagger.
Doing the right thing is never wrong. Doing the wrong thing is never right, no matter how you justify it.
In the end, you're going to get your way. Immigration reform will pass and gay and lesbian couples will be forced to separate because they have no legal protections.
Why all the hostility toward me simply because I won't go along with that?
Your last question is it's own answer.

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#20 May 23, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Your last question is it's own answer.
Got it.

I disagree with your opinion so you start with the personal attacks.

Who's the teabagger here?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#21 May 23, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
Got it.
I disagree with your opinion so you start with the personal attacks.
Who's the teabagger here?
Hi queer boi ...
ya divorced yet?

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