Closed for Business: The Death of the...

Closed for Business: The Death of the 'Ex-Gay' Movement

There are 17 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 16, 2013, titled Closed for Business: The Death of the 'Ex-Gay' Movement. In it, EDGE reports that:

In the early 1900s, psychologists began openly discussing a new and prevalent sexual deviation: homosexuality.

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“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#1 Jul 16, 2013
Popeye had it right.
I am what I am....
Lee

Pekin, IL

#2 Jul 16, 2013
Mister Ford wrote:
Popeye had it right.
I am what I am....
Mister Ford, are you claiming that you are less than human and have no choice in whether or not to engage in the unspeakable acts that alone define and identify your homosexuality?

The article of course is a lie. Scientifically proven therapy for homosexuals who want to change is available in every city in America.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#3 Jul 16, 2013
Lee wrote:
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David, David, David, a brand new day and the same old lies. Ex-gay Pride Week was cancelled when the reality set in that there weren't any actual ex-gays outside of the ex-gay business. There are not thousands and tens of thousands now flying the skies of straightness, free from the bonds of homosexuality, there never were. The reality is that they could gather every "success story" in the country all in one place and still not take up all the seats in your local IHOP. All these alleged therapies have accomplished is to damage people, you're lucky not to have undergone it, you're a mess and you're already heterosexual, think of the damage it would have done to your whacked out psyche.
achyfi

Dedham, MA

#4 Jul 16, 2013
The only thing more ridiculous than these "pray the gay away" therapies is the equally absurd notion that a person's sexual orientation is permanently determined at birth. Sexuality is a continuum, and there is no shortage of people who have changed their identification as they got older from straight to gay or the other way around. Particularly among females, you remember them? They're the gender that both sides of this stupid debate always forget exists.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#5 Jul 16, 2013
So I assume they are offering full refunds for their snake-oil, and reparations to all the tens of thousands of people that they've harmed, rite ?

That IS the "Christian thing" to do when you have lied to people, and cheated them, and defrauded them, isn't it ?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#7 Jul 16, 2013
FTA
"Here at Focus we’ve seen marriages reconciled. We’ve seen people who struggle with unwanted same-sex attraction change," Focus on the Family’s Jim Daly stated. "We’ve seen people experience real transformation in their... identity." He went on to claim numerous organizations existed to "help" LGBT individuals wanting to change, but a quick examination revealed that not one of these ministries claims to change sexual orientation.
.

Mr. Daley . You are not speaking of gay men and lesbians. You are speaking of bisexuals. They aren't broken. Of course for the sake of the partner they made a life long commitment to many will subsume their same sex impulses if it means they save their marriage. Just as many heterosexuals as well as many homosexuals are able to forgive and move on from instances of infidelity. The marriage and their spouse mean more to them than sex.

You don't get that. And many who used to think like you GOT IT.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#8 Jul 16, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>David, David, David, a brand new day and the same old lies. Ex-gay Pride Week was cancelled when the reality set in that there weren't any actual ex-gays outside of the ex-gay business. There are not thousands and tens of thousands now flying the skies of straightness, free from the bonds of homosexuality, there never were. The reality is that they could gather every "success story" in the country all in one place and still not take up all the seats in your local IHOP. All these alleged therapies have accomplished is to damage people, you're lucky not to have undergone it, you're a mess and you're already heterosexual, think of the damage it would have done to your whacked out psyche.
We should hold a march for them. A Candlelight vigil. Poor things gave a war and nobody came!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#9 Jul 16, 2013
achyfi wrote:
The only thing more ridiculous than these "pray the gay away" therapies is the equally absurd notion that a person's sexual orientation is permanently determined at birth. Sexuality is a continuum, and there is no shortage of people who have changed their identification as they got older from straight to gay or the other way around. Particularly among females, you remember them? They're the gender that both sides of this stupid debate always forget exists.
Think about what you wrote. You set the standard of your idea that sexuality isn't fixed at birth. Then show one that if it WAS fixed at birth still makes perfect sense.

'bi-sexuality'!

I speak of my experience and my identity as well as that of others I know well. You speak of others who are abstracts to you not ones you have shared experiences with.

Now if in your case you had this happen then fine. But because many are bisexual doesn't mean all are.

You make interesting points, but you essentially made the same errors the ex gays did. That there is only one FIXED and NATURAL state for all humans that is standard.

We're people remember. Not all of us were built in the same factory and have identical parts in every way.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#10 Jul 16, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
So I assume they are offering full refunds for their snake-oil, and reparations to all the tens of thousands of people that they've harmed, rite ?
That IS the "Christian thing" to do when you have lied to people, and cheated them, and defrauded them, isn't it ?
BAZINGA!

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#11 Jul 17, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Mister Ford, are you claiming that you are less than human and have no choice in whether or not to engage in the unspeakable acts that alone define and identify your homosexuality?
The article of course is a lie. Scientifically proven therapy for homosexuals who want to change is available in every city in America.
Mister DAVID MOORE of S. 18th Street, Pekin, Illinois, are you LYING again, lying being an unspeakable act? Does your LYING alone define and identify your LYING behavior? For shame, LIAR.

Your name, of course, is a lie. Change of lies is available in every city in America, LIAR.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#12 Jul 17, 2013
achyfi wrote:
The only thing more ridiculous than these "pray the gay away" therapies is the equally absurd notion that a person's sexual orientation is permanently determined at birth. Sexuality is a continuum, and there is no shortage of people who have changed their identification as they got older from straight to gay or the other way around. Particularly among females, you remember them? They're the gender that both sides of this stupid debate always forget exists.
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Big Government. Small Brains. Dumb Laws.

Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.

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The state constitution allows for freedom of speech, a trial by jury, and pregnant pigs to not be confined in cages.

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It’s strictly prohibited to pronounce “Arkansas” incorrectly

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ooooopppssies!

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#13 Jul 18, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Mister Ford, are you claiming that you are less than human and have no choice in whether or not to engage in the unspeakable acts that alone define and identify your homosexuality?
The article of course is a lie. Scientifically proven therapy for homosexuals who want to change is available in every city in America.
More lies and condemnations from a big phony from Pekin.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#14 Jul 18, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Mister Ford, are you claiming that you are less than human and have no choice in whether or not to engage in the unspeakable acts that alone define and identify your homosexuality?
The article of course is a lie. Scientifically proven therapy for homosexuals who want to change is available in every city in America.
It is scientifically proven that most homophobic bigots like you are closet queens living in denial.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#15 Jul 18, 2013
One study asked heterosexal men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos. One video depicted straight sex, one depicted lesbian sex and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to each participant's penis. This device has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not other types of arousal (such as nervousness, or fear - arousal often has a very different meaning in psychology than in popular usage).


When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-q...

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#16 Jul 18, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Mister DAVID MOORE of S. 18th Street, Pekin, Illinois, are you LYING again, lying being an unspeakable act? Does your LYING alone define and identify your LYING behavior? For shame, LIAR.
Your name, of course, is a lie. Change of lies is available in every city in America, LIAR.
LOL. If only penises could talk.

"Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-q...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#17 Jul 18, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Mister Ford, are you claiming that you are less than human and have no choice in whether or not to engage in the unspeakable acts that alone define and identify your homosexuality?
The article of course is a lie. Scientifically proven therapy for homosexuals who want to change is available in every city in America.
Pink - U + Ur Hand [Lyrics]

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#18 Jul 22, 2013
Exodus International .....RIP

"Its expiration feels like the sudden death of a loved one with whom we've had a complicated history. Is there relief? Yes… but also consternation and wistfulness. Along with our mixed feelings, we suspect that Alan Chambers is now taking the rap for what the Christian church has been avoiding for decades."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/june...

NARTH & Evergreen will soon follow suit.

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