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Ted Cruz Claims Pastors Will Be Persecuted For Telling Biblical "Truth"

There are 79 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Jul 23, 2013, titled Ted Cruz Claims Pastors Will Be Persecuted For Telling Biblical "Truth". In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

Ignoring the First Amendment and dozens of Supreme Court Rulings, Sen. Ted Cruz claims pastors will be persecuted for saying same-sex marriage is wrong

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1 Jul 23, 2013
It's true so what? Even the author of the article stated...
"Of course, the fact that they might get slammed for calling the lies they spew truths is another matter altogether."
It's all a matter of opinion. The religious ministers teaching same sex marriage as wrong have their opinion. The author has their opinion that same sex marriage isn't wrong.
If whether same sex marriage being right or wrong was based on how humans have accepted/rejected the issue for the last few thousand years, same sex marriage would be wrong.
As I stated, it's an opinion, not a wrong or right.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#2 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
It's true so what? Even the author of the article stated...
"Of course, the fact that they might get slammed for calling the lies they spew truths is another matter altogether."
It's all a matter of opinion. The religious ministers teaching same sex marriage as wrong have their opinion. The author has their opinion that same sex marriage isn't wrong.
If whether same sex marriage being right or wrong was based on how humans have accepted/rejected the issue for the last few thousand years, same sex marriage would be wrong.
As I stated, it's an opinion, not a wrong or right.
An opinion that is opposed by scientific evidence or which is harmful to other humans is wrong, period. It ceases to be opinion and becomes hate speech.

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#3 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
It's true so what? Even the author of the article stated...
"Of course, the fact that they might get slammed for calling the lies they spew truths is another matter altogether."
It's all a matter of opinion. The religious ministers teaching same sex marriage as wrong have their opinion. The author has their opinion that same sex marriage isn't wrong.
If whether same sex marriage being right or wrong was based on how humans have accepted/rejected the issue for the last few thousand years, same sex marriage would be wrong.
As I stated, it's an opinion, not a wrong or right.
Most people are unable to understand the fact that Freedom of Speech is protected only so far the government cannot ban you from saying something. If you get ridiculed for saying something stupid, that's your own fault and is not protected by the First Amendment.

Incidentally, there's a difference between a fact-based opinion and a non-fact based opinion.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#4 Jul 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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An opinion that is opposed by scientific evidence or which is harmful to other humans is wrong, period. It ceases to be opinion and becomes hate speech.
Idiocy...science can no more prove same sex marriage is a good thing any more than science can prove opposite sex marriage is a good thing. So there is no scientific evidence to prove same sex marriage is good and well or bad and evil. Science can't prove the validity of marriages humans engage in be it same sex, opposite sex or polyandry. Fricking get real.

Law, not science has determined what is harmful and what isn't harmful. Science establishes cause and effect. Law uses the opinions/theories/facts established by science to establish what is harmful and what isn't harmful in courts of law.
An opinion is an opinion no matter how it's used or for what reason it's used for good, bad or neither.
For someone to not believe in same sex marriage is not necessarily hate speech. See, if being against something/disagreeing with something is hate speech as you define it, you're a hater yourself as you promote hate speech to accuse others of using hate speech.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Idiocy...science can no more prove same sex marriage is a good thing any more than science can prove opposite sex marriage is a good thing. So there is no scientific evidence to prove same sex marriage is good and well or bad and evil. Science can't prove the validity of marriages humans engage in be it same sex, opposite sex or polyandry. Fricking get real.
Law, not science has determined what is harmful and what isn't harmful. Science establishes cause and effect. Law uses the opinions/theories/facts established by science to establish what is harmful and what isn't harmful in courts of law.
An opinion is an opinion no matter how it's used or for what reason it's used for good, bad or neither.
For someone to not believe in same sex marriage is not necessarily hate speech. See, if being against something/disagreeing with something is hate speech as you define it, you're a hater yourself as you promote hate speech to accuse others of using hate speech.
Science is a tool used to help us understand the universe, and it has provided us with answers to such questions, deny them all you want, it won't make those answers disappear.

Belief, in this instance, is inconsequential, it's a useless exercise in pointlessness fueled by delusion.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#6 Jul 23, 2013
Sei wrote:
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Most people are unable to understand the fact that Freedom of Speech is protected only so far the government cannot ban you from saying something. If you get ridiculed for saying something stupid, that's your own fault and is not protected by the First Amendment.
Incidentally, there's a difference between a fact-based opinion and a non-fact based opinion.
I agree. but science cannot and will not never prove marriage good or bad for anyone. What marriage is should remain an opinion and nothing more unless one engages in mental/physical violence against another for their personal opinion concerning marriage. Then they should face criminal charges.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#7 Jul 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Science is a tool used to help us understand the universe, and it has provided us with answers to such questions, deny them all you want, it won't make those answers disappear.
Belief, in this instance, is inconsequential, it's a useless exercise in pointlessness fueled by delusion.
Speaking of denial and pointlessness and delusion, I can use scientific data to factually prove that marriage between any two or more people is more damaging to them and the children in those marriages than it's ever been healthy for most all those subjected to it's confines.
So your delusion that science can prove marriage a great and good thing to vindicate same sex marriage is a real, true delusion on your part.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Jul 23, 2013
Considering that every statement in the bible can be shown to be

1) Historically false; or
2) Contradictory of another statement elsewhere in the Bible; or
3) Completely ignored by modern people because it's inconvenient or "silly"

there's no way you can find anything resembling 'truth' in the bible.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Speaking of denial and pointlessness and delusion, I can use scientific data to factually prove that marriage between any two or more people is more damaging to them and the children in those marriages than it's ever been healthy for most all those subjected to it's confines.
So your delusion that science can prove marriage a great and good thing to vindicate same sex marriage is a real, true delusion on your part.
You don't seem to understand how science works, this does not surprise me.

Sei

Since: Nov 08

Rutland, VT

#10 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I agree. but science cannot and will not never prove marriage good or bad for anyone. What marriage is should remain an opinion and nothing more unless one engages in mental/physical violence against another for their personal opinion concerning marriage. Then they should face criminal charges.
Actually, you're incorrect about science. What science can measure are things like life span of someone who is married versus life span of someone who is not married. It can measure behaviors of people who are married versus behaviors of people who are not married. It actually can prove if marriage is beneficial to a specific organism.

However,'married' here is more 'life partnering' rather than the marital contract. Marriage is a social construct. Even at that, social sciences can measure the benefits or problems associated with the marriage contract- IF and only IF they use nothing but unbiased facts.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#11 Jul 23, 2013
IrishmanLA wrote:
Considering that every statement in the bible can be shown to be
1) Historically false; or
2) Contradictory of another statement elsewhere in the Bible; or
3) Completely ignored by modern people because it's inconvenient or "silly"
there's no way you can find anything resembling 'truth' in the bible.
Truth is a perception of opinion. There are non-Biblical societies on this earth where there is no truth/belief that same sex marriage should have equal footing with opposite sex marriage.
The Bible has statements that people today don't like. Like marriage/unions are between a male and female(s). Like shacking up is frowned upon. Like casual sex is frowned upon. Like males were physically designed for a different type of physical labor than females. Like marriage is a good thing. Like divorce isn't a good thing.
What is truth to one era will be rejected as false by another. Truth is a perception of opinion.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12 Jul 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You don't seem to understand how science works, this does not surprise me.
Oh I understand how science works. What you don't understand is science can't be used to accurately validate the 'goodness/greatness' of same sex marriage which is your statement/insinuation of idiocy.
Science can be used to show certain 'data' of certain 'specifics' of the cause and effect of marriage on it's partners and children.
But science cannot and never will show marriage is a thing that is good/bad/great/evil/right/wron g. Do you comprehend that fact of science?
This is similar as if you tried to use science to show being hetero/homo/bi are good/bad things to be. Impossible. Can't be proven by science.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#13 Jul 23, 2013
Sei wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you're incorrect about science. What science can measure are things like life span of someone who is married versus life span of someone who is not married. It can measure behaviors of people who are married versus behaviors of people who are not married. It actually can prove if marriage is beneficial to a specific organism.
However,'married' here is more 'life partnering' rather than the marital contract. Marriage is a social construct. Even at that, social sciences can measure the benefits or problems associated with the marriage contract- IF and only IF they use nothing but unbiased facts.
You don't understand my response was to what koder stated of same sex marriage being validated through opinions as good and well by scientific evidence. They stated... "An opinion that is opposed by scientific evidence or which is harmful to other humans is wrong, period." There is no scientific evidence to show having an opinion against same sex marriage is harmful and or wrong. No scientific evidence exists and never will exist to prove any such thing of such an 'opinion'.
And I disagree that science can prove if it's beneficial to an 'organism' meaning humans. With the available data we have on the ills of marriage for just the last century, science could be used to well establish that marriage isn't a beneficial act between humans. Science can use historical data concerning the cause and effects of marriages to show marriage is more hazardous than it's ever been beneficial.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#14 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Oh I understand how science works. What you don't understand is science can't be used to accurately validate the 'goodness/greatness' of same sex marriage which is your statement/insinuation of idiocy.
Science can be used to show certain 'data' of certain 'specifics' of the cause and effect of marriage on it's partners and children.
But science cannot and never will show marriage is a thing that is good/bad/great/evil/right/wron g. Do you comprehend that fact of science?
This is similar as if you tried to use science to show being hetero/homo/bi are good/bad things to be. Impossible. Can't be proven by science.
You just keep demonstrating you lack of education. Science can be utilized to find such information out, it's done all the time, like we know that abusing drugs will harm you, therefore it is bad. We know that jumping out of a plane without a parachute will kill you most of the time, and thus it is bad.

You are confusing science with mythology, science improves lives, mythology destroys them.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#15 Jul 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You just keep demonstrating you lack of education. Science can be utilized to find such information out, it's done all the time, like we know that abusing drugs will harm you, therefore it is bad. We know that jumping out of a plane without a parachute will kill you most of the time, and thus it is bad.
You are confusing science with mythology, science improves lives, mythology destroys them.
You just keep proving your inability for comprehension. I stated earlier science can be used to show the pros and cons of an issue like marriage. But you're so intent on reading into what I wrote what I didn't say you keep proving your own lack of comprehension values.
Swinging from Vines

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Jul 23, 2013
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) needs to learn acceptable adult behavior
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His republicanism is atrocious
Broseph

New Castle, DE

#17 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
It's true so what? Even the author of the article stated...
"Of course, the fact that they might get slammed for calling the lies they spew truths is another matter altogether."
It's all a matter of opinion. The religious ministers teaching same sex marriage as wrong have their opinion. The author has their opinion that same sex marriage isn't wrong.
If whether same sex marriage being right or wrong was based on how humans have accepted/rejected the issue for the last few thousand years, same sex marriage would be wrong.
As I stated, it's an opinion, not a wrong or right.
Not all opinions are created equal. These people believe that gay marriage is inherently evil due to their personal, literal interpretations on a book created by desert folk. It's beyond foolish.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#18 Jul 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I agree. but science cannot and will not never prove marriage good or bad for anyone. What marriage is should remain an opinion and nothing more unless one engages in mental/physical violence against another for their personal opinion concerning marriage. Then they should face criminal charges.
Is Marriage Good for Your Health?- NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18marriag... ;
Apr 14, 2010 - But in the 150 years since Farr's work, scientists have continued to document the “marriage advantage”: the fact that married people,...
Health benefits of marriage may not extend to all | e! Science News
esciencenews.com/articles/.../health.benefits... ;
Mar 5, 2013 - Marriage may not always be as beneficial to health as experts have led us to believe, according to a new study.
Health benefits of marriage may not extend to all - Science Daily
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/1303051... ;
Mar 5, 2013 - Marriage may not always be as beneficial to health as experts have led us to believe, according to a new study.
What Are the Social Benefits of Marriage?« For Your Marriage
www.foryourmarriage.org/what-are-the-social-b... ;
Men appear to reap the most physical health benefits from marriage and suffer ... and delinquent behavior than those raised by two married biological parents.
[PDF]
What Do Social Scientists Know about the Benefits of Marriage? A ...
www.uncg.edu/bae/people/ribar/.../marriage...... ;
by DC Ribar - 2003 - Cited by 106 - Related articles
Second, the review brings together research from several different social science disciplines. An advantage of a cross-cutting research topic like the benefits of ...
Why Children Need Married Parents
www.usccb.org › Issues and Action › Marriage and Family › Children&#8206;
Social Science on the Benefits that Marriage Provides to Children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and ...
[PDF]
Marriage, Biology, and Federal Benefits - University of Iowa

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19 Jul 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Is Marriage Good for Your Health?- NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18marriag... ;
Apr 14, 2010 - But in the 150 years since Farr's work, scientists have continued to document the “marriage advantage”: the fact that married people,...
Health benefits of marriage may not extend to all | e! Science News
esciencenews.com/articles/.../health.benefits... ;
Mar 5, 2013 - Marriage may not always be as beneficial to health as experts have led us to believe, according to a new study.
Health benefits of marriage may not extend to all - Science Daily
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/1303051... ;
Mar 5, 2013 - Marriage may not always be as beneficial to health as experts have led us to believe, according to a new study.
What Are the Social Benefits of Marriage?« For Your Marriage
www.foryourmarriage.org/what-are-the-social-b... ;
Men appear to reap the most physical health benefits from marriage and suffer ... and delinquent behavior than those raised by two married biological parents.
[PDF]
What Do Social Scientists Know about the Benefits of Marriage? A ...
www.uncg.edu/bae/people/ribar/.../marriage...... ;
by DC Ribar - 2003 - Cited by 106 - Related articles
Second, the review brings together research from several different social science disciplines. An advantage of a cross-cutting research topic like the benefits of ...
Why Children Need Married Parents
www.usccb.org › Issues and Action › Marriage and Family › Children&#8206;
Social Science on the Benefits that Marriage Provides to Children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and ...
[PDF]
Marriage, Biology, and Federal Benefits - University of Iowa
From post #15 "I stated earlier science can be used to show the pros(good) and cons(bad) of an issue like marriage."
But science can never and will never state marriage is good and great and we should all partake of it.
But science can never and will never state marriage is bad and injurious mentally/physically and we should all avoid it.
Understand?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20 Jul 24, 2013
Broseph wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all opinions are created equal. These people believe that gay marriage is inherently evil due to their personal, literal interpretations on a book created by desert folk. It's beyond foolish.
I agree. They don't understand their own theology/doctrines of marriage and why they feel hetero is in and same sex is out. They know nothing past what the Bible states and that's all.

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