Atheism and homosexuality

Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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CH2O2

C├ęsar, Portugal

#640 Jul 20, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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That's correlation, not causation.
Crows and parrots also both have beaks, but that doesn't cause homosexual activity among those birds.
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That is true. But, if there is a genetic component shared by sibillings that causes homossexuality, it constitutes an argument is favour of the hypothesis that homossexual behaviour can be favoured by natural selection.

[QUOTE who="Nuggin"]<quo ted text>
Which contradicts the statement that a gay man is no more likely to produce gay offspring how exactly?
Please notice I was not trying to argue against that statement. I was arguing against the statement that preceded.

You said:
Nuggin wrote:
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It's not a gene found in gay people.
You imply that homossexuality does not have a genetic component. My argument "...the sister of a homossexual man is more likely to produce homossexual offspring..." shows that, homossexuality does have a genetic component.

Since: Jun 07

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#641 Jul 21, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
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Enjoy when you post as your protector
LOL
Lincoln left with nothing left to say after embarrassing himself.

Since: Jun 07

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#642 Jul 21, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Got anything that hasn't been addressed yet already?
Apparently not.
Its not my fault that you never learned what the burden of proof means and why its such an important part of the atheist position.

Don't blame atheists for being smarter than you dude.

Instead of talking about the moon landings, why don't you try to prove some of the cr*p that sh*ts out of your keyboard for once in your life?

Since: Jun 07

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#643 Jul 21, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Last I heard he wasn't born again. Nor was there any fundie BS in his post.
Oh by the way, lizard creatures are real too. Want evidence?
Nuggin's left testicle, ready as always to defend his sock puppet...

Tell us all again why we have to run around disproving the sh*t you guy go around lying about 24/7?

You never understood the burden of proof, STILL don't understand it, and are trying in vain to argue back when its been PROVEN that you are a STUPID INDIVIDUAL with no proof whatsoever.

Since: Jun 07

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#644 Jul 21, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
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Homossexuality seems to exist in a huge list of animals. Many of them do have kin-bonding. Even when kin-bonding does not happen throughout life it is common during the stage when the young are dependent of the parents and their homossexual kin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_...
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But crows and parrots exhibit that behaviour. And many other animals do to.
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homossexuality seems to have many different causes. kin altruism is not the only one.
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That can be one of the reasons for homossexuality. But not the only one.
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That is not always the case. I am gay but I have no brothers. That could not possibly be the reason for my sexuality.
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I agree.
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It may not be a single gene but it definately has a genetic and hereditary component. Homossexuality in twin brothers (both brothers) is a lot more common than would be expected if it were not hereditary.
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But the sister of a homossexual man is more likely to produce homossexual offspring. Homossexuality does have a genetic component.
Thanks for showing Nuggin up to the be the ignorant savage that he is...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#645 Jul 21, 2013
There's nothing wrong with homosexual or homosexuality but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite marriage laws.

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There's nothing wrong with atheists or atheism but that doesn't mean we have to create a wall of separation between church and state.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#646 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with homosexual or homosexuality but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite marriage laws.
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There's nothing wrong with atheists or atheism but that doesn't mean we have to create a wall of separation between church and state.
There's nothing wrong with hatred and stupidity. It's natural.

We have to find a way to teach those who practice it a better way.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647 Jul 21, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
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Homossexuality seems to exist in a huge list of animals. Many of them do have kin-bonding. Even when kin-bonding does not happen throughout life it is common during the stage when the young are dependent of the parents and their homossexual kin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_...
<quoted text>
But crows and parrots exhibit that behaviour. And many other animals do to.
<quoted text>
homossexuality seems to have many different causes. kin altruism is not the only one.
<quoted text>
That can be one of the reasons for homossexuality. But not the only one.
<quoted text>
That is not always the case. I am gay but I have no brothers. That could not possibly be the reason for my sexuality.
<quoted text>
I agree.
<quoted text>
It may not be a single gene but it definately has a genetic and hereditary component. Homossexuality in twin brothers (both brothers) is a lot more common than would be expected if it were not hereditary.
<quoted text>
But the sister of a homossexual man is more likely to produce homossexual offspring. Homossexuality does have a genetic component.
I suggest talking about same sex sexual behavior and not "homosexuality." Homosexuality is a part of how Western cultures construct, understand and experience sexuality. If you want to understand sexuality from a cross cultural point of view (in humans) or an evolutionary point of view (across species), we need to remove the cultural connotations.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#648 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with homosexual or homosexuality but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite marriage laws.
.
There's nothing wrong with atheists or atheism but that doesn't mean we have to create a wall of separation between church and state.
No, we need a separation between church and state b/c people are too easily influenced and corruptible.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#649 Jul 21, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, we need a separation between church and state b/c people are too easily influenced and corruptible.
Hi "Hidding" long time no hear what you been up to.

“Sara for Fun (( M 2 F ))”

Since: Aug 10

Bahrain

#650 Jul 21, 2013
I am a supporter of that makes a difference between the verdicts situation and the provisions of the church, the church has provisions since ancient times, and may not significantly more than what came where provided, and the indifference of the people and communities out, while the laws on personal status change as required by the need for change, so we find thata model is clear and explicit and the community accept it in the era of Moses are sodomites, there is no comparison whatsoever between made laws and the legislature, if the idea was by my personal opinion may differ from others, I do not mind!

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#651 Jul 21, 2013
sarahomo wrote:
I am a supporter of that makes a difference between the verdicts situation and the provisions of the church, the church has provisions since ancient times, and may not significantly more than what came where provided, and the indifference of the people and communities out, while the laws on personal status change as required by the need for change, so we find thata model is clear and explicit and the community accept it in the era of Moses are sodomites, there is no comparison whatsoever between made laws and the legislature, if the idea was by my personal opinion may differ from others, I do not mind!
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Since: Jul 13

Almada, Portugal

#652 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with homosexual or homosexuality...
I agree.
Brian_G wrote:
...but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite marriage laws.
We don't have to rewrite marriage laws. We can leave then as they are, exclusively between a man and a woman. We can continue to say same sex couples are inferior. We can continue to deny equal rights to same sex couples. We can continue to discriminate against same sex couples. But is that the right thing to do?
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with atheists or atheism but that doesn't mean we have to create a wall of separation between church and state.
We don't have to separate church and state. Actually, we could have a theocratic government. Would you like to live under muslim law? Now imagine how atheists would feel under a theocracy.

Since: Jul 13

Almada, Portugal

#654 Jul 21, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I suggest talking about same sex sexual behavior and not "homosexuality."
Semantics. Different words, same thing.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Homosexuality is a part of how Western cultures construct, understand and experience sexuality.
Not really. Homosexuality is just one possible expression of sexuality. Homossexuality is not exclusive of western culture, it is present in every human culture since recorded history and probably even before that.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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If you want to understand sexuality from a cross cultural point of view (in humans)[...] we need to remove the cultural connotations.
If we wish to understand sexuality culturaly we need to remove culture? Contradiction in terms.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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If you want to understand sexuality from [...] an evolutionary point of view (across species)[...] we need to remove the cultural connotations.
I agree.

“Sara for Fun (( M 2 F ))”

Since: Aug 10

Bahrain

#655 Jul 21, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
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I agree.
<quoted text>
We don't have to rewrite marriage laws. We can leave then as they are, exclusively between a man and a woman. We can continue to say same sex couples are inferior. We can continue to deny equal rights to same sex couples. We can continue to discriminate against same sex couples. But is that the right thing to do?
<quoted text>
We don't have to separate church and state. Actually, we could have a theocratic government. Would you like to live under muslim law? Now imagine how atheists would feel under a theocracy.
Life will be worse over the years, live in a absolute servitude and extreme atheism,

Since: Jul 13

Almada, Portugal

#656 Jul 21, 2013
sarahomo wrote:
<quoted text>Life will be worse over the years, live in a absolute servitude and extreme atheism,
You lost me.

Since: Jul 13

Almada, Portugal

#657 Jul 21, 2013
It seems i've messes up the quotations. I'll try again:
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
That's correlation, not causation.
Crows and parrots also both have beaks, but that doesn't cause homosexual activity among those birds.
That is true. But, if there is a genetic component shared by sibillings that causes homossexuality, it constitutes an argument is favour of the hypothesis that homossexual behaviour can be favoured by natural selection.
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Which contradicts the statement that a gay man is no more likely to produce gay offspring how exactly?
Please notice I was not trying to argue against that statement. I was arguing against the preceding statement.

You said:
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a gene found in gay people.
You imply that homossexuality does not have a genetic component. My argument "...the sister of a homossexual man is more likely to produce homossexual offspring..." shows that, homossexuality does have a genetic component.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#658 Jul 21, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
You imply that homossexuality does not have a genetic component.
No. I didn't imply anything. I made a very simple and very clear statement:

Homosexuality is not caused by a gene found in gay people.

Therefore, there is no genetic test for homosexuality. There is no genetic cure for homosexuality. A homosexual is not going to pass along this gene to a child who will then become homosexual.

All very clear.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#659 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with homosexual or homosexuality but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite marriage laws.
Brian G circa 1840:
There's nothing wrong with black people but that doesn't mean we have to rewrite the slavery laws.
There's nothing wrong with atheists or atheism but that doesn't mean we have to create a wall of separation between church and state.
Brian G circa 1776:
There's nothing wrong with freedom, but that doesn't mean that we have to put in a Bill of Rights.

The marriage laws are being made available to all adults. That's FREEDOM.

Protection FROM religion is far more important that protection OF religion.

You YOURSELF would complain endlessly if we applied even ONE religious rule from another religion to your life.

If US Currency said: "In Vishnu we trust", Christians would be burning down cities.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#660 Jul 21, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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Hi "Hidding" long time no hear what you been up to.
Hi Richhhhhardfs! How's it going?

I've been up to all kinds of things - and more :-p

You?

I hope you're well :)

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