Homosexual marriage is legal

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In a 5-4 decision, which, did not surprise anyone, the Supreme Court demonstrated once again that the federal high court is willing to impose by judicial edict what the voters of the individual States in the majority of States have refused to do: allow the marriage of homosexuals ...

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“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#387 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Definitely guilty as charged. I make no mistake about where to put it, and it's in the front, not the back. When I had my first proctology exam to check for cancer, and I was like, OMG, this is horrible. And it was only a finger. I can't imagine how people can be a willing receiver of something much bigger. Absolutely bizarre. Man, I'll tell you, that's REAL devotion.
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So you mean to tell me that I am completely mistaken and they do not have anal sex with each other?
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Fantasy?? LOL!!! Why does it make you so uncomfortable for me to talk about this? If it's such good behavior, then you shouldn't have any problem with me talking about it.
Anal sex is also practiced by heterosexuals......so, you see, it's not just about Gay men!!!

I'm telling ya that it's NONE of your business and that heterosexuals participate in anal sex as well!!!

Frankly, it matters not one way to me or the other.....I'm a Lesbian, but as an adult Lesbian I don't care what others do intimately.......it's their business!!!

And it funny how the one's discussing anal sex as if that's ALL Gay men do are the ones who are clueless.......do some research on the activity.......it's not like what you think it is!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#388 Jul 4, 2013
Evidence Is In wrote:
US currency still has "In God We Trust" printed on it, the "Pledge of Allegiance" to the US Flag still contains the word "Under God", and thousands of US documents contain the words "In The Year Of Our Lord" as a date reference to Jesus Christ.
And all of your cute little mumblings will not change one thing. All of your misconceptions of American history and it's ties to Christianity will not be accepted as change.

I will be interested in your answer, then I can move on to more issues that make a real difference.
You really don't seem to listen well.....but I'll give it ago.

I'll Start with the Pledge of Allegiance:
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#389 Jul 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Um buttercup, your goat has to be able to provide written and verbal consent, plus be of legal age in order to enter into marriage with you. It really doesn't matter what YOU say about the nature of your relationship, it's what the goat says that counts and if you can't get it to say "I do", well....
Um, I know buttercup, I was only raising it because somebody else brought up a goat. But an Uncle and niece, or even nephew for that matter, is just fine
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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The state of Rhode Island once had an odd little loophole in their marriage law which allowed for any marriage not specifically prohibited by "Jewish tradition", basically, the Old Testament. I'll bet you didn't realize when you said it, but Uncle/Niece marriages aren't prohibited in the OT.
But homosexual marriage is, since you want to bring the OT up. Why would you want to bring that up?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#390 Jul 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Anal sex is also practiced by heterosexuals......so, you see, it's not just about Gay men!!!
Yeah and that's even worse because they have a choice.
NorCal Native wrote:
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I'm telling ya that it's NONE of your business and that heterosexuals participate in anal sex as well!!!
Frankly, it matters not one way to me or the other.....I'm a Lesbian, but as an adult Lesbian I don't care what others do intimately.......it's their business!!!
Who said I cared? I just think it's bizarre.
NorCal Native wrote:
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And it funny how the one's discussing anal sex as if that's ALL Gay men do are the ones who are clueless
I never said that's all they do. They tea bag as well and suffer from balls on chin syndrome.
NorCal Native wrote:
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.......do some research on the activity.......it's not like what you think it is!!!
Ummmm....I'll pass on that. I don't think that I really want to know the details.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#391 Jul 4, 2013
Evidence Is In wrote:
Rick in Kansas, I'm not your "dear". And twice now, after being told we really don't have anything to discuss, and you were offered the last and only word, you do the typical gay, liberal, socialist thing and just force your argument on others.
You are my dear, my sweetie, my little bunnykins if I say so cupcake. I've just come from a thread where somebody called somebody else a "nazi pig", would you prefer that? Simply because you do not wish to read my opinion of your "thoughts" does not end my right and freedom to comment on them nonetheless. No one is forcing you to read anything I have to say dear and if they are, give a hint in your next reply you aren't going to want to make and we will get you help. You have issues with my opinion and what I've been trying to teach you, I do not happen to share them, nor do I intend to defer to them. Your problems, dear, not mine.
Evidence Is In wrote:
US currency still has "In God We Trust" printed on it, the "Pledge of Allegiance" to the US Flag still contains the word "Under God", and thousands of US documents contain the words "In The Year Of Our Lord" as a date reference to Jesus Christ.
And all of your cute little mumblings will not change one thing. All of your misconceptions of American history and it's ties to Christianity will not be accepted as change.
And if you believe the "religious litmus" test for public office found in the Constitution was to avoid Christians from controlling the US Government, and you are so up on that American era, tell me how many Jews were in the American Colonies at that time, how many fought the English, how many were members of the Continental Congress, how many were later to become US Government officials, and how else would the new country shoe it's indifference to another religious belief?
I will be interested in your answer, then I can move on to more issues that make a real difference.
Buttercup, the fact remains that those invocations of God in everything you claim have been officially neutered of any religious significance whatsoever, even if it had been intended. That God is by law, not Christian, not Jewish, not Muslim, not any other religion, it is only the God you want it to be, your government has no official position. Sorry.

As for history, I'm better informed to it than you are obviously hoping. There were not only Jews in America back then, but Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholics, dozens upon dozens of African and Native American beliefs and dozens upon dozens of different Protestant belief systems and our founding fathers were men who had been exposed to all of that and more. They had the insight to not want any one of them to have dominion over the rest, hence no litmus test. Discrimination against religious minorities by some predominate groups had been routine for generations in the various colonies. Most of the colonies becoming States still had litmus tests, some of which were seriously ugly. The Freedom of religion was taken far more seriously on the federal than the local level. The whole tyranny of the majority thing, you know.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#392 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
But homosexual marriage is, since you want to bring the OT up. Why would you want to bring that up?
Have you actually read the Old Testament? The concept of a same sex marriage isn't mentioned, let alone prohibited outright and even the folk for whom the Old Testament laws had been written for as a take it or leave it proposition are slowly coming around to the idea. Anything else?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#393 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Yeah and that's even worse because they have a choice.
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Who said I cared? I just think it's bizarre.
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I never said that's all they do. They tea bag as well and suffer from balls on chin syndrome.
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Ummmm....I'll pass on that. I don't think that I really want to know the details.
Again, in your thought process you have decided that only one way to have sex is acceptable and that's great for you, but to make the comments that you do just clearly shows that you can't understand why people make that choice......it's like saying you ONLY like one flavor of ice cream......good for you, but not good for others and if it is bizarre to you....then stop thinking about it!!!

Not sure where or how or even WTF this tea bag thing is you mention nor the ball in chin syndrome......and frankly, I think I'll just skip it!!!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#395 Jul 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Have you actually read the Old Testament? The concept of a same sex marriage isn't mentioned, let alone prohibited outright and even the folk for whom the Old Testament laws had been written for as a take it or leave it proposition are slowly coming around to the idea. Anything else?
Oh, so they can marry, but they just can't lay down with each other, right? Are you serious? And where does the word Sodomy come from?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#397 Jul 4, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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I love it the way you stupid HO:MOS call your reality, other people's fantasies.
I know, it's unbelievable. And for some strange reason, people aren't even allowed to talk about what they do. If they think it's such great behavior, then why do they get offended when people talk about it? Hey, people are entitled to do whatever they want, no matter how bizarre, if they don't hurt anybody, but since when are people not allowed to talk about their bizarre behavior? Maybe God is cruel for not giving some gay men vaginas, and some lesbian women penises. Hey, sometimes the wires just get crossed I suppose, but it's none of my business because I didn't do it.

Since: Mar 07

Hanover, VA

#398 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Oh, so they can marry, but they just can't lay down with each other, right? Are you serious? And where does the word Sodomy come from?
Long history to that. Originally, the sin of Sodom, as noted in the Bible, have NOTHING to do with gay sex, or even being gay. It had to do with violence, greed, in-hospitality.

Centuries later, it was decided to add the idea that being gay was that sin, and the incorrect usage has lasted to this day. It's much easier to stigmatize those you consider different, then to realize that the sin of Sodom is common in society, and engaged in by yourself and those around you.

Greed. Treating strangers badly. Violence. Rape.

Since: Mar 07

Hanover, VA

#399 Jul 4, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Hey dyke, you talk like heteros do anal because they don't have a choice, LIKE Queers. A few do, not near as many as you would like to portray.......?
They do it because they choose to, and because they like it for some reason, and it is no one's business but theirs.

Some gay people do it for all of the same reasons. It is not their only choice for sex, any more than it is for heterosexuals.

And, really, only perverts spend time fantasizing about and worrying about the types of lawful sex acts engaged in by other adults. Why do you?

Since: Mar 07

Hanover, VA

#400 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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I know, it's unbelievable. And for some strange reason, people aren't even allowed to talk about what they do. If they think it's such great behavior, then why do they get offended when people talk about it? Hey, people are entitled to do whatever they want, no matter how bizarre, if they don't hurt anybody, but since when are people not allowed to talk about their bizarre behavior? Maybe God is cruel for not giving some gay men vaginas, and some lesbian women penises. Hey, sometimes the wires just get crossed I suppose, but it's none of my business because I didn't do it.
Is that supposed to make sense?

Most people DON'T sped a lot of time talking about what sex acts others engage in. Do you? Do your family and friends?

Personally, I have NO desire to know what kids of sex acts everyone I know might possible engage in.

Ever hear of TMI?

And why would a gay person, or a straight person, want some orifice they don't have.

You are kinda creepy, you know that?

Yep. I think you do. And you looooove it.
Eric

Compton, CA

#401 Jul 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I'm just trying to disabuse folk of the notion that the US was founded as a Christian nation by men of devout faith. May I suggest a read of the Jefferson Bible, clearly not the kind of Christian that most folk would know today. Christianity was AN influence, not THE influence and really a minor one among many. These were some of the most learned and read men in the colonies and there were a wide array of Christian views back then not just one. There were more Christian sects than you could shake a stick at. They were only a couple of centuries into Protestantism and everything not Catholic split regularly.
Macintosh the fact that the government had to take the Ten Commandments out of public, and they had to outlaw the mention of God in school, they had to outlaw prayer and the Bible in School, they had to escort God out of America. Which begs the question why were these things allowed if we were never Christian, they used to pray and read the Bible in School.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#402 Jul 4, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Long history to that. Originally, the sin of Sodom, as noted in the Bible, have NOTHING to do with gay sex, or even being gay. It had to do with violence, greed, in-hospitality.
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot,“Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said,“No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied.“This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot,“Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
Quest wrote:
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Centuries later, it was decided to add the idea that being gay was that sin, and the incorrect usage has lasted to this day. It's much easier to stigmatize those you consider different, then to realize that the sin of Sodom is common in society, and engaged in by yourself and those around you.
Greed. Treating strangers badly. Violence. Rape.
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

That seems pretty harsh to me, but to simply pretend they aren't there is ridiculous.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#404 Jul 4, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Is that supposed to make sense?
Most people DON'T sped a lot of time talking about what sex acts others engage in. Do you? Do your family and friends?
Personally, I have NO desire to know what kids of sex acts everyone I know might possible engage in.
Ever hear of TMI?
And why would a gay person, or a straight person, want some orifice they don't have.
So they don't have to take it up the butt? Seems like that would be quite painful, at least at first, until repeated invasions and they are eventually opened up enough where they start walking like John Wayne or somebody that crapped their pants. That takes a lot of devotion from the partner, I'll say that much. I only had a finger up my butt during my proctology exam, and that was horrible enough. I can't even stand enemas. Gerbils in Tubes? I couldn't even imagine.
Quest wrote:
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You are kinda creepy, you know that?
Yep. I think you do. And you looooove it.
Hey, all I am pointing out is the truth. Why should that bother anybody? If someone wants to talk about what I do in bed, I'm fine with that. When I am having sex with a woman in her vagina, both people are gaining pleasure at the same time. Seems like that was the way it was supposed to work. But, sometimes the wires get crossed.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#406 Jul 4, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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You're right. They think homosexuality is so great, but yet they can't stand to actually hear about what they do because of what they are. If that's what they do and are not ashamed of it, it shouldn't bother them that the subject is brought up by anyone.
All we do is hold hands and hug and kiss a lot. What's the BIG DEAL ???!!

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#407 Jul 4, 2013
And whoever wrote this headline, IS AN IDIOT !

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#408 Jul 4, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Oh, so they can marry, but they just can't lay down with each other, right? Are you serious? And where does the word Sodomy come from?
What do you mean that they can't lie down together? Again sweetie, not even do all those folk for whom those laws were written as an all or nothing proposition, rather than the buffet Christians treating it as, agree with your choice of interpretations. Sodomy comes from the story of Sodom and it ORIGINALLY referred to any act that would not result in reproduction, regardless of the sex, species or number of participants involved. It didn't matter if you were going there with a boy, girl, barnyard animal or just playing with yourself, you were still committing sodomy. Get it? It wasn't meant to refer to just same sex acts, they had heterosexuals very much in mind when they came up with it. You didn't even get to do those things in marriage.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#409 Jul 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
Macintosh the fact that the government had to take the Ten Commandments out of public, and they had to outlaw the mention of God in school, they had to outlaw prayer and the Bible in School, they had to escort God out of America. Which begs the question why were these things allowed if we were never Christian, they used to pray and read the Bible in School.
The 10 Commandments are taken down only in instances where they have been posted as an official statement of state belief in them. If they are included with representations of other laws and lawgivers, they are an officially neutral expression of them and permitted to remain. While there have been teachers and administrators have overstepped their bounds in regards to this, it is not against any law to mention God in school. In fact he's been made more welcome than He had been. Public schools are not supposed to have a religion, their employees not supposed to teach or try to enforce one, students are allowed to have one, even talk about it, but not proselytize. I'm sorry if you feel that your God isn't getting the preferential treatment He deserves, but you all think that, the reality is that they are all supposed to be treated equally. There may be more of you but you aren't the only ones in the room and the rest have rights too.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#410 Jul 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean that they can't lie down together?
Do I need to repeat the verses again that say that they can not lie down with a man like they do with a woman? What do those verses mean to you? What does lie down like they do with a woman mean to you?
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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Again sweetie,
Oh thank you pumpkins.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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not even do all those folk for whom those laws were written as an all or nothing proposition, rather than the buffet Christians treating it as, agree with your choice of interpretations.
That's because people love to make things into what they need to be when they are told uncomfortable things.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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Sodomy comes from the story of Sodom and it ORIGINALLY referred to any act that would not result in reproduction, regardless of the sex, species or number of participants involved.
Legitimate citation is missing.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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It didn't matter if you were going there with a boy, girl, barnyard animal or just playing with yourself, you were still committing sodomy. Get it?
How does a boy and girl fit in with that narrative? A boy and girl can most certainly end up in reproduction, even if it doesn't every time. A boy and a boy never will, a girl and a girl never will, a human and an animal never will.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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It wasn't meant to refer to just same sex acts, they had heterosexuals very much in mind when they came up with it. You didn't even get to do those things in marriage.
Here, let me quote the same verses again and you can tell me where you even find animals, or playing with yourself in them or lewd acts between a woman and a man.

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

You can say that this is cruel, or is wrong or too harsh, or not understanding enough, but to pretend that these verses don't clearly say what they say is nothing more than a self serving attempt at a lie. So either you reject them wholesale or not. There is no in between as you are attempting to craft for you convenience.

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