Gay Black Men Often Face Added Family...

Gay Black Men Often Face Added Family Hurdles When Coming Out

There are 78 comments on the Mental Help Net story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Gay Black Men Often Face Added Family Hurdles When Coming Out. In it, Mental Help Net reports that:

Coming out as gay to their families can be particularly difficult for young, black males, according to a small new study.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Mental Help Net.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#50 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
that is exactly my point excellent question - homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, it's not natural or acceptable why do you think the Pink Brigade is pushing so hard for equality? because the pink brigade knows their lifestyle is not accepted by the vast majority of the human race.
Survival in the prison system is what turns men to this lifestyle, primarily for protection
You view "homosexuality" solely as a behavior. Understandable in the case of that 19th century term coined by a Prussian journalist. And that's about all it IS good for. It says nothing about the orientation; a very different thing from the predatory hedonistic opportunism that is the prison behavior.

What is essentially "Let me rape you or face harm from myself or others" does not constitute orientation; not on the part of the coercer; not on the part of the coerced.

This is not how gay orientation arises in a person's identity.
almostchoked

London, UK

#51 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the unproven assertion upon which all that you've posted is based. Until you prove it, the rest is just so much garbage.
here's proof a testimonial from a former gay

almostchoked

London, UK

#52 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
You view "homosexuality" solely as a behavior. Understandable in the case of that 19th century term coined by a Prussian journalist. And that's about all it IS good for. It says nothing about the orientation; a very different thing from the predatory hedonistic opportunism that is the prison behavior.
What is essentially "Let me rape you or face harm from myself or others" does not constitute orientation; not on the part of the coercer; not on the part of the coerced.
This is not how gay orientation arises in a person's identity.


the gay lifestyle is usually a a result of wanting to belong to a group, a feeling of belonging, and feeling alienated from society, that doesn't make homosexuality normal, it will never be normal go get therapy

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#53 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/polit...
more than 70 countries can't be wrong, homosexuality is wrong, unnatural get over it!
In this statement, you are committing a class of material fallacies of reasoning called, "Ignoratio Elenchi". Specifically, the fallacies from that class operant in your statement are "Argumentum ad Verecundiam" and "Argumentum ad Populum". You also commit "Petitio Principii".

Argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority)

Claim: Pigs can fly
Argument: Oliver believes that pigs can fly, therefore pigs can fly

Argumentum ad Populum (Appeal to the majority or popular sentiment)

Claim: You should drink Acme Cola
Argument: A thousand cool kids drink Acme Cola:(therefore) you should too!

Petitio Principii (Begging the Question or Assuming the Answer)

Argument: Aspirin users are at risk of becoming dependent on the drug, because aspirin is an addictive substance.

Problem: The premise and the conclusion have the same meaning. If one has already accepted the premise, there is no need to reason to the conclusion. Obviously the premise is not logically irrelevant to the conclusion, for if the premise is true the conclusion must also be true. It is, however, logically irrelevant in proving the conclusion.
almostchoked

London, UK

#54 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
The FRC's "researches" have been widely discredited by those professional bodies which oversee such work, here and abroad. Further, they have failed to meet Federal Court criteria for competence and validity when subjected to the "Rational Scrutiny" (the least demanding) used by the Court in determining Admissibility of Expert Evidence or Testimony. The authors of these "researches" declined to appear before the Federal Courts to explain, support or defend them. While certain sections of these ersatz "researches" were presented in Court in a couple of Cases, in every instance the assertions of the proposed evidence were not only rebutted, but soundly refuted to the full satisfaction of the Courts where they were presented and, as a result, either determined to be inadmissible as evidentiary documents or as competent expert opinion, or both.
It would be wise to find a more reliable source for your information.
discredited by whom Jeff Dahmer???

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#55 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ImkYAXAZ2qgXX
the gay lifestyle is usually a a result of wanting to belong to a group, a feeling of belonging, and feeling alienated from society, that doesn't make homosexuality normal, it will never be normal go get therapy
Not in my experience.

You've made assertions.

PROVE them.
almostchoked

London, UK

#56 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
In this statement, you are committing a class of material fallacies of reasoning called, "Ignoratio Elenchi". Specifically, the fallacies from that class operant in your statement are "Argumentum ad Verecundiam" and "Argumentum ad Populum". You also commit "Petitio Principii".
Argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority)
Claim: Pigs can fly
Argument: Oliver believes that pigs can fly, therefore pigs can fly
Argumentum ad Populum (Appeal to the majority or popular sentiment)
Claim: You should drink Acme Cola
Argument: A thousand cool kids drink Acme Cola:(therefore) you should too!
Petitio Principii (Begging the Question or Assuming the Answer)
Argument: Aspirin users are at risk of becoming dependent on the drug, because aspirin is an addictive substance.
Problem: The premise and the conclusion have the same meaning. If one has already accepted the premise, there is no need to reason to the conclusion. Obviously the premise is not logically irrelevant to the conclusion, for if the premise is true the conclusion must also be true. It is, however, logically irrelevant in proving the conclusion.
Ooooh Latin Classes
Secont

Miami, FL

#57 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/polit...
more than 70 countries can't be wrong, homosexuality is wrong, unnatural get over it!
And what does that list of countries proves? Most of those countries have so much income inequalities, discriminations, bad governments, harsh laws, powerful crime ridden cops, corruptions, non freedom of press, etc. What is so proud about most of those countries?

Maybe you should leave the UK and move to one of those hate gay loving backward countries? Ahhh... I don't think so ;)
almostchoked

London, UK

#58 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the unproven assertion upon which all that you've posted is based. Until you prove it, the rest is just so much garbage.
WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU WANT! MOST OF THE HUMAN SPECIES FIND HOMOSEXUALS DISGUSTING AND UNNATURAL - the sooner you accept this the quicker we can bring this thread to a close
almostchoked

London, UK

#59 Feb 4, 2013
Secont wrote:
<quoted text>
And what does that list of countries proves? Most of those countries have so much income inequalities, discriminations, bad governments, harsh laws, powerful crime ridden cops, corruptions, non freedom of press, etc. What is so proud about most of those countries?
Maybe you should leave the UK and move to one of those hate gay loving backward countries? Ahhh... I don't think so ;)
In most of the "civilised" world homosexuality was illegal at one time, those same countries like Great Britain brought those laws to those "uncivilised" countries, such as the caribbean, they did something right!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#60 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
here's proof a testimonial from a former gay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wD5mFQkenqIXX
How do you know he wasn't bisexual to begin with?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#61 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
Ooooh Latin Classes
Actually, Fallacies of LOGIC "classes".
almostchoked

London, UK

#62 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Fallacies of LOGIC "classes".
you've obviously got a major chip on your shoulder, let me put it this way, what unites the races is their disgust of the homosexual lifestyle, its wrong and disgusting and quite frankly people are sick to death of stars such as lady gag, madonna and that disgusting elton john pushing homosexuality through the media AND our education system, WRONG WRONG WRONG!
Secont

New York, NY

#63 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
In most of the "civilised" world homosexuality was illegal at one time, those same countries like Great Britain brought those laws to those "uncivilised" countries, such as the caribbean, they did something right!
Yeah because in 'those old days' they were more backward as well. Like also believing that Blacks were inferior non-humans.
almostchoked

London, UK

#64 Feb 4, 2013
Secont wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah because in 'those old days' they were more backward as well. Like also believing that Blacks were inferior non-humans.
i was waiting for you to equate homosexuality with racism - FAIL MOVE ON

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#65 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
discredited by whom Jeff Dahmer???
" ... by those professional bodies which oversee such work, here and abroad ... "

You may find these helpful as starting points in your assessment of your sources:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/fa...

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/fa...

http://www.ejsssb.org/

http://www.asanet.org/footnotes/1987/ASA.02.1...

http://www.asanet.org/footnotes/1987/ASA.01.1...

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/cameron/...
latency

Saltville, VA

#66 Feb 4, 2013
i hate gays because they sexually harass me but I really don't disagree with their activities..

but i'd rather be with women..
latency

Saltville, VA

#67 Feb 4, 2013
and i think they should be allowed to get gay married but i'm still a homophobe..

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#68 Feb 4, 2013
almostchoked wrote:
<quoted text>
you've obviously got a major chip on your shoulder, let me put it this way, what unites the races is their disgust of the homosexual lifestyle, its wrong and disgusting and quite frankly people are sick to death of stars such as lady gag, madonna and that disgusting elton john pushing homosexuality through the media AND our education system, WRONG WRONG WRONG!
Fallacies: Ad Hominem, Circular reasoning, Begging the Question, Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Popular Sentiment, Universal Claim, Proof by Verbosity, False Generalization, etc.

You've yet to prove, or even support, ANY of the assertions upon which you base your fallacious arguments.

The fallacy of "Petitio Principii", or "Begging the Question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".

This stuff is as old as Aristotle. It's usually in Latin because it was translated from the original Greek over two millennia ago, and have been used in Legal and Scientific analysis ever since.

You shouldn't mock learning, but ACQUIRE IT.

You have the whole Internet at your disposal. No reason to stay incompetent.
almostchoked

London, UK

#69 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Fallacies: Ad Hominem, Circular reasoning, Begging the Question, Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Popular Sentiment, Universal Claim, Proof by Verbosity, False Generalization, etc.
You've yet to prove, or even support, ANY of the assertions upon which you base your fallacious arguments.
The fallacy of "Petitio Principii", or "Begging the Question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".
This stuff is as old as Aristotle. It's usually in Latin because it was translated from the original Greek over two millennia ago, and have been used in Legal and Scientific analysis ever since.
You shouldn't mock learning, but ACQUIRE IT.
You have the whole Internet at your disposal. No reason to stay incompetent.
I base my fallacious argument on the premise that I THINK & FEEL HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong and unnatural, have a good day

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Gay/Lesbian Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News This Florida Teacher Strapped on a Dildo to Tea... (Dec '15) 4 min Rodney 13
News Parade kicks off Erie's pride festival 17 min Dunk 25
L n J _ C A F E 25 min Dunk 2
JADE Cafe 41 min Dunk 5
News Man charged after lubricant dispenser filled wi... 47 min Skippy 28
News 'Free Kim Davis': This is just what gay rights ... (Sep '15) 48 min who cares 16,123
News Gay club lube dispenser filled with acid 1 hr newsjunkie 1
News Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake (Jun '13) 2 hr Respect71 38,892
News Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents More Likely... 8 hr JODECKO 147
News Transgender Ken doll cake triggers outrage afte... 13 hr WasteWater 49
More from around the web