Reaction grows to gay student's expulsion

The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news. Full Story
well now

Madisonville, KY

#90 Feb 26, 2010
daisy wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said I what to know you. I DON'T. Who said anything about your son. This is my opinion- I SAY whatever the Fck I want to say -God made Adam & Eve. Not Adam & Steve. Now argue that one Btch.
you sound angry. obviously God made Adam who then created Eve from such; obviously you can't do that because from man came woman. In the beginning Man was both male and female as the scriptures state. He created them male and female. It doesn't say that he created them male or female but both. So obviously Adam; which by the way means mankind was both male and female.

So you seen any males that created females lately?
dont- judge

Manchester, KY

#91 Feb 19, 2013
anu wrote:
<quoted text>
look ok mabey it does say this but what did jesus do with gamora? Hum lets see DESTROYED IT.!!!!
look im just trying to show that they have chosen this lifestyle someone said they are born gay? No they are not this is a choice they can be gay or strait. Do
they think this is right to sleep with the same sex as you. That goes against all i was raised on.
Jesus did no such thing...
God destroyed the two cities...
Christ came to take our sins, and forgive us for them...
Judge not

Williamsburg, KY

#97 Feb 19, 2013
anu wrote:
The bible states that a man and another man saal not lay together and same goes for woman it is the school's right to ouster this person we are getting to liberal
for our own good and they all need to hide this problem they have this is preventable you are not born gay.
They have to chose this lifestyle and it is imoral.
A christian school has the right to remove these students who do imoral acts.
THUS SAYS THE LORD. OMG. This has to be one of the most judgmental statements I have ever read....
ARE YOU GOD? No you are not.
ARE YOU GAY? I can assume from your comment that you are not gay.

If u are not gay, then it's none of your business, it's between the gays and god. It has nothing to do with you. The Bible also says "We have ALL sinned and come short of the glory of god". So I am sure that there are sins in your life that you need to be concerned with. If you focus on making yourself a better Christian, there will probably be very little time and energy to pass judgement on others.
Judge not

Williamsburg, KY

#99 Feb 19, 2013
well now wrote:
<quoted text> you sound angry. obviously God made Adam who then created Eve from such; obviously you can't do that because from man came woman. In the beginning Man was both male and female as the scriptures state. He created them male and female. It doesn't say that he created them male or female but both. So obviously Adam; which by the way means mankind was both male and female.
So you seen any males that created females
lately?
What the heck are u trying to say. Why don't you just express what you think instead of trying to sound like you wrote the BIBLE. It's not working for you. That is the most confusing post I have ever tried to read.......
I have read it three times and I get more confused on what you are trying to say each time. LMAO
Possible

Wartburg, TN

#100 Feb 19, 2013
Judge not wrote:
<quoted text>
I think god made Steve too:)
Yes God made us all but the devil makes you choose the immorral choices you make in life no matter what the religous beliefs one has.
Question for possible

Williamsburg, KY

#101 Feb 19, 2013
Do you ever sin or make immoral choices?
Judge not

Williamsburg, KY

#102 Feb 19, 2013
Possible wrote:
<quoted text>Yes God made us all but the devil makes you choose the immorral choices you make in life no matter what the religous beliefs one has.
There u go judging me because of my post. I bet that possible thinks I am gay. Sorry, I am happily married to my husband.

Now, I was simply saying God made Steve too because the person before my post said "God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve".
Don't waste that judgement on me. I'm good, I'm strait. I'm not one of those "immoral" people.
(Sarcasm).:)

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#103 Feb 19, 2013
Possible wrote:
<quoted text>Yes God made us all but the devil makes you choose the immorral choices you make in life no matter what the religous beliefs one has.
hey warthead... your god is a myth... so who cares
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#106 Feb 20, 2013
You are somewhat right "Judge not." However, there is a difference in judging and witnessing. I'm quite sure that "Possible" was simply witnessing and informing you of the word of God. Cumberland, unfortuantely, did not practice gentleness or forgiveness but rather casted the young man out as if he was a lower being. Sadly, we are not perfect and people do at times forget the Lord's teachings but the world we live in today seems to justify sin and laugh at the moral people. I do not claim to be a christian, nor am I a perfect human being, but if there is anything that I despise it is when someone uses the word of the bible to legitimize their sinful act. Word to the wise, when you tell someone they are being judgemental, you are in turn casting a stone as well, which would be considered wrongful judgment your case "Judge not." In no way did "Possible" attempt to belittle or offend you but yet your insecurities lead you to judge this person as a hater. You are just as wrong as the people who turned their backs on Mr. Johnson.
About time

Whitley City, KY

#107 Feb 20, 2013
Judge not but witness wrote:
You are somewhat right "Judge not." However, there is a difference in judging and witnessing. I'm quite sure that "Possible" was simply witnessing and informing you of the word of God. Cumberland, unfortuantely, did not practice gentleness or forgiveness but rather casted the young man out as if he was a lower being. Sadly, we are not perfect and people do at times forget the Lord's teachings but the world we live in today seems to justify sin and laugh at the moral people. I do not claim to be a christian, nor am I a perfect human being, but if there is anything that I despise it is when someone uses the word of the bible to legitimize their sinful act. Word to the wise, when you tell someone they are being judgemental, you are in turn casting a stone as well, which would be considered wrongful judgment your case "Judge not." In no way did "Possible" attempt to belittle or offend you but yet your insecurities lead you to judge this person as a hater. You are just as wrong as the people who turned their backs on Mr. Johnson.
So...did Mr Johnson not know this is the policy? If so why did he decide to enroll? He had to sign that he read the policies so was he also lying on his application? It's a policy violation just like cheating, taking drugs, etc.
I attended when dance was not allowed. You know what I did? I respected that and followed the rules. If I had issues with it there was other colleges to attend.
No hate involved.
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#108 Feb 20, 2013
I never once stated that Cumberland hated this man. I was merely saying that "Judge not" was in the wrong. I understand that Cumberland has their policies but to be titled as a Chrisitan institution and to turn a man away for his sexual orientation does not seem very "christ like" to me. If a person is not born gay then what makes them different from cheaters, liars, theifs, adulterers? A sin is a sin in the eyes of the Lord and by basically excommunicating this young man from the university they have sinned as well. If I recollect correctly, Jesus surrounded his self with sinners. He did not turn them away like many people do today. He instead taught through parables and by expressing love. Not by holding "We hate queers" pickets. This isn't a question of school policy "About time" as much as it is about morals and being "christ like" as a Christian or in this case Christian institution should be.
Hmmm

Hadley, MA

#109 Feb 20, 2013
anu wrote:
<quoted text>
look ok mabey it does say this but what did jesus do with gamora? Hum lets see DESTROYED IT.!!!!
look im just trying to show that they have chosen this lifestyle someone said they are born gay? No they are not this is a choice they can be gay or strait. Do
they think this is right to sleep with the same sex as you. That goes against all i was raised on.
Jesus hadn't come into the world when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and nowhere is homosexuality mentioned as the reason for their destruction. The Old Testament is full of stories of God's "wrath", whereas the New Testament speaks of God's love. Christ healed, raised the dead, and preached against the "letter of the law". It's part of the reason he was crucified. The Pharisees couldn't handle the message. Seems like this college has the same problem.
About time

United States

#110 Feb 20, 2013
Judge not but witness wrote:
I never once stated that Cumberland hated this man. I was merely saying that "Judge not" was in the wrong. I understand that Cumberland has their policies but to be titled as a Chrisitan institution and to turn a man away for his sexual orientation does not seem very "christ like" to me. If a person is not born gay then what makes them different from cheaters, liars, theifs, adulterers? A sin is a sin in the eyes of the Lord and by basically excommunicating this young man from the university they have sinned as well. If I recollect correctly, Jesus surrounded his self with sinners. He did not turn them away like many people do today. He instead taught through parables and by expressing love. Not by holding "We hate queers" pickets. This isn't a question of school policy "About time" as much as it is about morals and being "christ like" as a Christian or in this case Christian institution should be.
How about we place the blame where it belongs. He either knew the policies or should have yet he decided to not respect them. Gay, straight, or transsexual when you become part of an institution you abide by there ground rules or face consequences. If you try to become Miss Kentucky and you are male expect not to qualify. That's not discriminating or bias just simply the rules for that organization.
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#111 Feb 20, 2013
"About time," this is not about putting the blame on anyone. It is simply about portraying the role of the title you give yourself. I said in my previous posts, I do not like that people who do wrong argue that the bible says do not judge them and take witnessing as harassment and I also do not like how Christians only follow some of the Lord's teachings. I am not saying the people who run Cumberland are bigots but somewhere, in my opinion, they have become confused with what true love for their neighbor(s) really is. The rule set by the school is one that resembles lukewarmness. If you’ve read the bible you know what the lord thinks about lukewarm Christians. Lastly, from my understanding, it is our place as imperfect beings to spread the word of God and hope that our brothers and sisters heed those words and lead a life that will send them to heaven. I know there are people who do not believe in the word but for those who claim they do they should abide by those words. Here is a passage that I think says it all, "Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." Cumberland should have never condemned this young man. It is/was no way to get others to accept the word of God; we should never beat someone down. If the lord gave us the ability to decipher what is right and what is wrong to see our true attitudes and beliefs, then Mr. Johnson, with guidance from friends, could have hindered from his lifestyle. If after receiving help he did not change his lifestyle then that is between he and God.
Judge not

Williamsburg, KY

#112 Feb 20, 2013
Why contridict yourself Judge not but witness. In post 106 you stated that I was "somewhat right"
then in post 109 you state "Judge Not was in the wrong" Go ahead and put the blame on me since "judge not but witness" stated I was in the wrong. Judge not but witness judged me to be in the wrong. Go ahead and judge me, I can take it because I know my standing with God and what you say "judge not but witness" is irrelevent because it is between me and God. Not you, God knows my heart, Not you.

By the way, my question was completly ignored. I assume that Judge not but witness is the same person as possible, but we changed the name in order to avoid answering the question.
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#113 Feb 20, 2013
No "Judge not," I regret to inform you I am not "possible" and when I said you were somewhat right, I was focusing on your statement about "not passing judgment on others" in post #97. You believed that "possible" was judging you when in fact he/she was informing you and everyone else involved in this forum that the devil influences wrongful decisions. Your difficulty in understanding the context of my words has enlightened me of your narrow-sightedness and your inability to grasp the thought of someone proving you wrong. In turn, I'm quite sure this is where your anger is coming from.
To alleviate the pain of your question being unanswered, everyone sins. The question is who understands when what they have done is wrong and when to change it.
About time

Whitley City, KY

#114 Feb 20, 2013
Judge not but witness wrote:
"About time," this is not about putting the blame on anyone. It is simply about portraying the role of the title you give yourself. I said in my previous posts, I do not like that people who do wrong argue that the bible says do not judge them and take witnessing as harassment and I also do not like how Christians only follow some of the Lord's teachings. I am not saying the people who run Cumberland are bigots but somewhere, in my opinion, they have become confused with what true love for their neighbor(s) really is. The rule set by the school is one that resembles lukewarmness. If youÂ’ve read the bible you know what the lord thinks about lukewarm Christians. Lastly, from my understanding, it is our place as imperfect beings to spread the word of God and hope that our brothers and sisters heed those words and lead a life that will send them to heaven. I know there are people who do not believe in the word but for those who claim they do they should abide by those words. Here is a passage that I think says it all, "Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." Cumberland should have never condemned this young man. It is/was no way to get others to accept the word of God; we should never beat someone down. If the lord gave us the ability to decipher what is right and what is wrong to see our true attitudes and beliefs, then Mr. Johnson, with guidance from friends, could have hindered from his lifestyle. If after receiving help he did not change his lifestyle then that is between he and God.
I've not given myself a title that I'm aware of. The student placed himself under the scrutiny. No judging involved.
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#115 Feb 20, 2013
I must have created a misunderstanding. I am sorry. I was not referring to you. I was referring to the general people who do this. However, I cannot see how giving this young man failing grades across the board while also expelling him for coming out is not considered judgement. I also do not see how a Christian school can turn away a Christian, who in their eyes, is considered to be hindered by the devil into loving the same sex. If they were to base their school rules on Christian values I would assume that they would try to turn the child away from temptation instead of turning the other cheek.
Aside from the religious aspect, from what I understand, Cumberland was not allowed to discriminate to begin with because they received money from the state, hence the pharmacy school going under.
Judge not

Williamsburg, KY

#116 Feb 20, 2013
Judge not but witness wrote:
No "Judge not," I regret to inform you I am not "possible" and when I said you were somewhat right, I was focusing on your statement about "not passing judgment on others" in post #97. You believed that "possible" was judging you when in fact he/she was informing you and everyone else involved in this forum that the devil influences wrongful decisions. Your difficulty in understanding the context of my words has enlightened me of your narrow-sightedness and your inability to grasp the thought of someone proving you wrong. In turn, I'm quite sure this is where your anger is coming from.
To alleviate the pain of your question being unanswered, everyone sins. The question is who understands when what they have done is wrong and when to change it.
Wow, so now I am "narrow-minded, angry, ignorant, unable to grasp the thought of someone proving me wrong". What other judgements can you put on me. Do u really feel insulting me a person you dont even know is Christ-like.
The things you said to me were mean and hurtful. The only reason I am shocked by your post is that you post these things proclaiming to be a Christian. You sure painted an ugly picture of me. And we don't even know each other so I am clueless of what kind of person you are, but I won't worry about that, that is between you and god.
I will not post hurtful insults about you, I believe God expects us to be kind to one another.
Judge not but witness

Winchester, KY

#117 Feb 20, 2013
I never once claimed to be a Christian, however I did say I believe someone who says they are a Christian needs to act like it. I have always been turned away from the life of Christianity mainly because of the lukewarm Christians who fill the pews mainly for image. I consider myself an educated and moral person but nowhere near to being a Christian. Which is why I never called you anything but merely gave you my opinion. I would not call you ignorant but I will tell you this your insecurities cause you to put a lot of words in peoples' mouthes.

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