British Gov't Considers Letting Gay Royals Marry, Inherit Throne

There are 19 comments on the www.queerty.com story from Jan 20, 2013, titled British Gov't Considers Letting Gay Royals Marry, Inherit Throne. In it, www.queerty.com reports that:

As equal marriage moves ahead in Great Britain, members of Parliament are considering how the change in the law would affect the royal family.

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#1 Jan 20, 2013
I think they're a little late, seeing as King James I was a gay man.

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#2 Jan 20, 2013
I wonder if Prince Charles will ever ascend to the throne. He is the longest serving heir-apparent in British history and English history.
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#3 Jan 20, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
I think they're a little late, seeing as King James I was a gay man.
So was Richard Lionheart.
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#4 Jan 20, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
I wonder if Prince Charles will ever ascend to the throne. He is the longest serving heir-apparent in British history and English history.
No.

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#5 Jan 20, 2013
fr Poppin in for a tad:

>So was Richard Lionheart.<

That's right, he was! I forgot about Richard!
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#6 Jan 20, 2013
CAN there be two reigning queens at the same time?
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#7 Jan 20, 2013
I guess, come to think about it, there would be one "Royal Highness" and one "Royal Fabulousness".

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#8 Jan 20, 2013
We're approaching the time when there'll be a queen & queen at the head of the British monarchy! About time ...

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#9 Jan 21, 2013
As a Libertarian, I'm certaily not a fan of kings, queens, royalty, and such things. But the British people seem to like their royal family and want them to stay for the foreseeable future (remember that England DID once overthrow their monarchy and became a republic for awhile).

Having said that, I hope that Queen Elizabath II lives to see her 65th anniversary as monarch, thus becoming the longest-reigning monarch in British and English history. Since her mother lived past the age of 101 years, I think she has a good chance of making it. Her 65th anniversary will be in 2017 when she is 91 years old, if she lives that long, which is certainly possible).(Incidentally, Queen Elizabeth II's marriage to Prince Philip is also presently the longest marriage for a monarch in English or British history).

It is rumored that IF Prince Charles becomes monarch, his regnal name wil Be King George VII. He is now the longest-serving heir apparent in British history and English history.(Britain and England are NOT the same thing, although many people mistakenly believe that the two words are synonyms).

However, it has also been reported that he may choose not to serve and instead defer to his eldest son William, who would presumably serve as King William IV, although the monarch is free to choose whatever regnal name they wish.

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#10 Jan 21, 2013
fr Cal In AZ:

>I wonder if Prince Charles will ever ascend to the throne. He is the longest serving heir-apparent in British history and English history.<

One would hope NOT. He's completely unqualified for the job.

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#11 Jan 21, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
fr Cal In AZ:
>I wonder if Prince Charles will ever ascend to the throne. He is the longest serving heir-apparent in British history and English history.<
One would hope NOT. He's completely unqualified for the job.
UNTRUE. He is ABSOLUTELY QUALIFIED for the job as the ONLY qualification is to be King of Great Britain is to be the eldest male of the prsent monarch.

It's a ceremonial position anyway devoid of any real power.

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#12 Jan 21, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
<quoted text>
UNTRUE. He is ABSOLUTELY QUALIFIED for the job as the ONLY qualification is to be King of Great Britain is to be the eldest male of the prsent monarch.
It's a ceremonial position anyway devoid of any real power.
Well, not quite ... The ONE thing asked of such a figurehead is to be dignified and not embarrass the nation through scandalous behavior -- which he has already done!

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#13 Jan 21, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
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Well, not quite ... The ONE thing asked of such a figurehead is to be dignified and not embarrass the nation through scandalous behavior -- which he has already done!
I made one mistake there. There IS one other qualification and that is that he or she CANNOT be a Roman Catholic. You can be Anglican, or Lutheran, or whatever Protestant denomination you like, but being a Roman Catholic ABSOLUTELY DISQUALIFIES you from being monarch of The U.K.

(Which is exactly how King George I and King George II became kings, because although were both Lutherans born in Germany, and were NOT the closest kin to the preceeding monarch, the other kin that were closer to the preceeding monarch, about 50 closer relatives at the time, they were ALL Roman Catholic. So although George I was about number 50 in line to the throne of The U.K., he WAS the CLOSEST kin who was a Protestant.

A Roman Catholic is INELIGIBLE tO be monarch of the U.K.

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#14 Jan 21, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
As a Libertarian, I'm certaily not a fan of kings, queens, royalty, and such things. But the British people seem to like their royal family and want them to stay for the foreseeable future (remember that England DID once overthrow their monarchy and became a republic for awhile).
Having said that, I hope that Queen Elizabath II lives to see her 65th anniversary as monarch, thus becoming the longest-reigning monarch in British and English history. Since her mother lived past the age of 101 years, I think she has a good chance of making it. Her 65th anniversary will be in 2017 when she is 91 years old, if she lives that long, which is certainly possible).(Incidentally, Queen Elizabeth II's marriage to Prince Philip is also presently the longest marriage for a monarch in English or British history).
It is rumored that IF Prince Charles becomes monarch, his regnal name wil Be King George VII. He is now the longest-serving heir apparent in British history and English history.(Britain and England are NOT the same thing, although many people mistakenly believe that the two words are synonyms).
However, it has also been reported that he may choose not to serve and instead defer to his eldest son William, who would presumably serve as King William IV, although the monarch is free to choose whatever regnal name they wish.
Chuckie can't. He's been divorced.

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#15 Jan 21, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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UNTRUE. He is ABSOLUTELY QUALIFIED for the job as the ONLY qualification is to be King of Great Britain is to be the eldest male of the prsent monarch.
It's a ceremonial position anyway devoid of any real power.
There IS another crucial requirement, ya know ...

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#16 Jan 21, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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I made one mistake there. There IS one other qualification and that is that he or she CANNOT be a Roman Catholic. You can be Anglican, or Lutheran, or whatever Protestant denomination you like, but being a Roman Catholic ABSOLUTELY DISQUALIFIES you from being monarch of The U.K.
(Which is exactly how King George I and King George II became kings, because although were both Lutherans born in Germany, and were NOT the closest kin to the preceeding monarch, the other kin that were closer to the preceeding monarch, about 50 closer relatives at the time, they were ALL Roman Catholic. So although George I was about number 50 in line to the throne of The U.K., he WAS the CLOSEST kin who was a Protestant.
A Roman Catholic is INELIGIBLE tO be monarch of the U.K.
Interesting background info ...! Thanks.

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#17 Jan 21, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
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Interesting background info ...! Thanks.
Some more info:

Unless there is another revolution in Great Britain, overthrowing the monarchy again, Great Britain's Head Of State and the head of the Church Of England are one and the same and cannot be separated. Because of this, by law no Roman Catholic can become King or Queen of Great Britain. This led directly to the Hanoverians becoming the British monarchs, even though they were German, because all of the blood relatives next in line to the throne were Roman Catholics. And as I mentioned, British law forbids a Roman Catholic monarch, nor anyone who becomes a Roman Catholic, nor anyone who even marries a Roman Catholic.

The succession is ordered by male-preference primogeniture, meaning that the eldest male heir is next in line, even if he has an older sister. If the next in line is female, with no younger brother, then she becomes Queen.(There is currently discussions ongoing now within the Royal Family and teh government, to changing the law so that the eldest child becomes monarch regardless of gender).

As long as the Brits want their monarchy, Great Britain does not have, AND CANNOT HAVE, separation of church and state as we do. This is because the Head Of State, the reigning monarch, IS also the "Supreme Governor Of The Church Of England" (an official title).

Great Britain does NOT have a written constitution as the U.S. does, and other republics have. If the people of Great Britain ever decide that they want a republic (again) instead of a monarchy, then they could have separation of church and state. But as Britain has been a monarchy for well more than 1000 years, and the Brits are still in love with the Royal Family, it is doubtful they will become a republic again in the foreseeable future. Thus, separation of church and state in Britain is nowhere near the horizon of possibility.

And speaking of the Royal Family, the current reigning sovereign, Queen Elizabeth II is only the 2nd English or British (England and Great Britain are 2 different things) monarch to have reigned over 60 years. Only her great-great-grandmother, Queen Victoria, who was monarch for over 63 years, reigned longer. Queen Elizabeth II is also the only British monarch or English monarch to have been married more than 65 years.(Quite an accomplishment for ANY married couple !)

Queen Elizabeth's son Charles,(whose regnal name will be King George VII it is rumored), has been heir apparent since his mother assumed the throne, and is the longest-serving heir apparent in English or British history. He also may become the oldest person ever to be crowned monarch of England or Great Britain (if he lives that long).

King George I of Great Britain was a German Lutheran of the House of Hanover, and was born in Hanover in present day Germany. He was fluent in German and French, and also spoke Latin, Dutch and English, although he was born in present-day Germany. He spent a lot of time in Hanover even while Great Britain's monarch.

King George II was the son of King George I. He was also a German Lutheran, also born in Hanover in present-day Germany. Until the age of four, George spoke only French. He later learned German, English and Italian. King George II was the last British monarch born outside of Great Britain. He was born and raised in Hanover.

King George III was the grandson of King George II, and became King of Great Britain upon the death of his grandfather, King George II. The son of King George II, who was named Frederick, had died young. He was the third British monarch of the House of Hanover, but unlike his two Hanoverian predecessors he was born in Britain, spoke English as his first language, and never visited Hanover. It is King George III whom we fought our Revolutionary War against. And unlike his 2 predecessors, George I and George II, George III was not a Lutheran, but was Anglican.

(contd. below)

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#18 Jan 21, 2013
(contd. from above)

And although the family name of the current Royal Family is "Windsor", this was a name picked in 1917, named for Windsor Castle. The actual family name is the German family name Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (itself a branch of the German House Of Wettin).

As the British were at war with Germany in 1917, and even though the monarchs of Great Britain and Germany were first cousins, the Germans were not too popular in Britain at that time, and so King George V changed the family name from the German "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" to the British name "Windsor". This was done by royal proclamation of King George V.

Any future monarch can change the dynastic name through a royal proclamation. The 1917 proclamation stated that the name of the Royal House and all British descendants of Victoria and Albert in the male line were to bear the name of Windsor, except for women who married into other families.

(And I have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in British history, nor the British Royal family, but since I am a Lutheran of German ancestry (both my grandmothers were German Lutherans), I DO HAVE, and HAVE HAD FOR MANY DECADES, a deep interest in German history.)(I even have a humorous story about Hitler. LOL)

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#19 Jan 21, 2013
Part 17 of the continuing series on British History on Topix:

The Hanoverian succession came about as a result of the Act of Settlement 1701, passed by the Parliament of England. In return for access to the English plantations in North America, the Hanoverian succession and the Union were ratified by the Parliament of Scotland in 1707.

Queen Anne (born 02-06-1665, reigned from May 1, 1707, died August 1, 1714) was of the House Of Stuart. She ascended the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland on 8 March 1702. On 1 May 1707, under the Act of Union, two of her realms, the kingdoms of England and Scotland, were united as a single sovereign state, the Kingdom of Great Britain. THIS ACT OF PARLAIMENT ESTABLISHED "THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN". Today's U.K. did NOT exist prior to this act of Parlaiment.

This graphic clearly explains the differences and relationships between the terms "British Isles", "British Islands", "United Kingdom", "Great Britain" etc. Many people get these terms confused as they each have distinct meanings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_t...

Queen Anne's Catholic father,(known as James II in England and known as James VII in Scotland), was deposed during the "Glorious Revolution" of 1688. Her Protestant brother-in-law and cousin William III became joint monarch with his wife, Anne's sister Mary II. After Mary's death in 1694, William continued as sole monarch until he was succeeded by Anne upon his own death in 1702.

Upon the death of Queen Anne, most of her closest kin were Roman Catholics, and were therefore barred from assuming the throne. Her closest PROTESTANT kin, was Hanoverian (German) and would be crowned King George I. George I, the son of Sophia of Hanover, granddaughter of James VI of Scotland and I of England through his daughter Elizabeth of Bohemia, was the closest PROTESTANT heir to the throne. He was a German Lutheran. King George I and King George II are the only Lutheran monarchs of Great Britain or England.

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