Hawaii Set To Take Up Gay Marriage In...

Hawaii Set To Take Up Gay Marriage In Special Session Monday

There are 223 comments on the WGBH story from Oct 27, 2013, titled Hawaii Set To Take Up Gay Marriage In Special Session Monday. In it, WGBH reports that:

Hawaii's Gov. Neil Abercrombie announced the special session on gay marriage at the Hawaii Capitol in Honolulu in September.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#160 Nov 8, 2013
snyper wrote:
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More than a quarter century, boyo. The foundations were being laid back in the '70s. PM me for a few details.
You could just as easily say we've been laying the foundation for a thousand years.

The point is the battle for marriage equality is taking significantly less time than the fight to over bans on interracial marriages, of women getting the right to vote, or blacks getting equal civil rights, etc.

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#161 Nov 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You could just as easily say we've been laying the foundation for a thousand years.
The point is the battle for marriage equality is taking significantly less time than the fight to over bans on interracial marriages, of women getting the right to vote, or blacks getting equal civil rights, etc.
Only a little less than women's suffrage. By the time it reaches all 50 States it will be neck and neck.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#162 Nov 8, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Only a little less than women's suffrage. By the time it reaches all 50 States it will be neck and neck.
Actually women could first vote in New Jersey in 1776; 50 state suffrage didn't come until 1920.

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#163 Nov 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Actually women could first vote in New Jersey in 1776; 50 state suffrage didn't come until 1920.
The real fight on the issue began right after the Civil War.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#164 Nov 8, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The real fight on the issue began right after the Civil War.
So it all depends on how you count.

I prefer to count 2004 as the start, since that is the first time any same-sex couple had the right to marry anywhere in America.

At most I'd go back to 1993 when the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled such a right existed, which lead directly to DOMA and the state constitutional bans.
Harold

Honolulu, HI

#165 Nov 8, 2013
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/house-leaders...

Just a warning to you legislators: "Hell hath no fury like Pake church ladies scorned."

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#166 Nov 8, 2013
So what's the status of the marriage equality bills now in Hawaii & Illinois ?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#167 Nov 8, 2013
OK, I saw the status of the Illinois bill on another thread.

Whats the next step with the bill in Hawaii ?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#169 Nov 8, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
OK, I saw the status of the Illinois bill on another thread.
Whats the next step with the bill in Hawaii ?
Have you never heard of Google?

Since: Mar 09

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#170 Nov 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So it all depends on how you count.
I prefer to count 2004 as the start, since that is the first time any same-sex couple had the right to marry anywhere in America.
At most I'd go back to 1993 when the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled such a right existed, which lead directly to DOMA and the state constitutional bans.
There were a lot of preparatory steps to that event. Years and years.

“ SAVE THE LIONS!”

Since: Mar 09

KILL THE BABIES! VOTE DEMOCRAT

#171 Nov 8, 2013
snyper wrote:
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There were a lot of preparatory steps to that event. Years and years.
Regarding your av, No, you cant vote on hetero marriage because unlike gay marriage, hetero marriage is the norm and his been the norm in every civilized society since the beginning of time.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

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#172 Nov 8, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Evil? I'd say The Obamaniac perfected EVIL with his Stalinist OBAMACARE. The Obamaniac's Final Solution to the "Free Enterprise Problem." I guess this would be all right with you to solve the "Liberty Problem." The only problem is that 99% of the Americans people are Freedom-Lovers and want no part of The Obamaniac's socialism. How do you solve a problem like that ? No matter how many liberals you killed, there'd still be some squirming around alive.(no puns intended.)
PURE EVIL.
I would direct you to PUBLIC LAW 111–148—MAR. 23, 2010 124 STAT. 249 of the ACA found on page 131 of this link to the ACA online.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/...

‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary
shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property
of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the
penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to
such failure.’’.

So in plain English, the government can't enforce the tax code for not having insurance. At best they can take out what you have to pay in your tax refunds. Which if you setup your paper work right you won't have a refund to be returned to you.

In other words, if you don't want to take part of the ACA then you don't have to, just do your homework and setup your tax paper work accordingly.

I would have to believe this is the reason that Roberts ruled in favor of the bill to begin with, He knew it had no teeth.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

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#173 Nov 9, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
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If it does it could be a blessing in disguise, a wake up call....which will FINALLY shift this state to the right.
Thousands upon thousands have come out to testify AGAINST the bill and thousands upon thousands are waiting in line to testify against gay marriage as we speak. Its not going to pass and if it does it will be the start of the downfall of this 50 year corrupt Democrat regime. Woohoo!!!
Hardly, the sins of the Hawaii Republican Party historic past still haven't been paid in full.

They had their chance to do right by the people of Hawaii when the state elected Linda Lingle and she screwed up the trust that was given to her by doing such a poor job that the GOP of Hawaii was driving to nearly non-existence status. That is a special kind of stupid to ruin a golden chance at gaining and keeping the people's trust and shift the balance of power.

But that is to be expected. She followed Bush's example of throwing away a surplus that was given to her at the start of her first term to giving the state a short fall.

The cherry on top of the fail cake was when Lingle illegally locked away $400 million in state emergency funds in auction rate securities prior to the economy tanking nationally. Once a virtual run on the banks began during the economic collapse, she responded by throwing in another $600 million at the over all tune of 1 billion dollars.

That was money that could have been used to prevent the school day furloughs that embarrassed the state by giving the state the lowest amount of school days in the nation.

She ruined any Republican's chance of getting power back any time soon. Because it just proved that if given a Republican power in the state they will try to ruin the state government.

“ SAVE THE LIONS!”

Since: Mar 09

KILL THE BABIES! VOTE DEMOCRAT

#174 Nov 9, 2013
Dajokerman wrote:
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Hardly, the sins of the Hawaii Republican Party historic past still haven't been paid in full.
They had their chance to do right by the people of Hawaii when the state elected Linda Lingle and she screwed up the trust that was given to her by doing such a poor job that the GOP of Hawaii was driving to nearly non-existence status. That is a special kind of stupid to ruin a golden chance at gaining and keeping the people's trust and shift the balance of power.
But that is to be expected. She followed Bush's example of throwing away a surplus that was given to her at the start of her first term to giving the state a short fall.
The cherry on top of the fail cake was when Lingle illegally locked away $400 million in state emergency funds in auction rate securities prior to the economy tanking nationally. Once a virtual run on the banks began during the economic collapse, she responded by throwing in another $600 million at the over all tune of 1 billion dollars.
That was money that could have been used to prevent the school day furloughs that embarrassed the state by giving the state the lowest amount of school days in the nation.
She ruined any Republican's chance of getting power back any time soon. Because it just proved that if given a Republican power in the state they will try to ruin the state government.
Lingle was a powerless figurehead, you moron...she was being oppressed by a tyrannical Democrat run legislature.

Now the shut the hell up and stop pretending you know wtf youre talking about.
Maybe Bill

Livermore, CA

#175 Nov 9, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
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Lingle was a powerless figurehead, you moron...she was being oppressed by a tyrannical Democrat run legislature.
Now the shut the hell up and stop pretending you know wtf youre talking about.
What the village idiot says! Carry on racist boy,keep showing us all exactly what a moron you are! You're simply to stupid to comprehend that not only have you lost the battle but you've also lost the war!

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

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#176 Nov 9, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
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Lingle was a powerless figurehead, you moron...she was being oppressed by a tyrannical Democrat run legislature.
Now the shut the hell up and stop pretending you know wtf youre talking about.
That is nonsense. There are a number of powerful choices that the governorship of Hawaii can do without the approval of the legislature body.

Making their own appointments in their cabinets being one, as well of the use and actions of state budgeted funds.

And it was her administrations decision alone to lock away 400 million in auction rate securities. That might have been forgivable if they only did it to make the state money during a time that they believed to be long term prosperity, but it was the height of stupidity to lock away another 600 million when you know the economy is tanking.

There is no excuse for that. There is no excuse for cutting education when we had the money to continue classes uninterrupted.

Her administration's actions nearly bankrupted the state government and cause cuts deeper than it was needed to be. Those emergency funds was there to protect the government services during a time of decreased revenue. She locked it away and then raided the hurricane relief fund to make up for her blunder.

What is the mind boggling is that she was able to wreck something that was set up so well. She walked in with a surplus, Money was saved for emergency, hurricane relief funds was healthy, heck, even the state's unemployment taxed was suspended for a year because it had so much money.

And she still managed to screw it up.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#177 Nov 9, 2013
Dajokerman wrote:
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That is nonsense. There are a number of powerful choices that the governorship of Hawaii can do without the approval of the legislature body.
Making their own appointments in their cabinets being one, as well of the use and actions of state budgeted funds.
And it was her administrations decision alone to lock away 400 million in auction rate securities. That might have been forgivable if they only did it to make the state money during a time that they believed to be long term prosperity, but it was the height of stupidity to lock away another 600 million when you know the economy is tanking.
There is no excuse for that. There is no excuse for cutting education when we had the money to continue classes uninterrupted.
Her administration's actions nearly bankrupted the state government and cause cuts deeper than it was needed to be. Those emergency funds was there to protect the government services during a time of decreased revenue. She locked it away and then raided the hurricane relief fund to make up for her blunder.
What is the mind boggling is that she was able to wreck something that was set up so well. She walked in with a surplus, Money was saved for emergency, hurricane relief funds was healthy, heck, even the state's unemployment taxed was suspended for a year because it had so much money.
And she still managed to screw it up.
Funny. I heard a story about a Republican President who took office with a budge surplus. Everyone expected the national debt to be ELIMINATED within a decade.. But then he turned the surplus to record deficit while shortchanging education and infrastructure programs. And the economy was near collapse when he left office.

It seems to be a theme with these Republicans.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#178 Nov 9, 2013
snyper wrote:
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There were a lot of preparatory steps to that event. Years and years.
Of course there were, but you could go back centuries with that logic.

Since: Mar 09

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#179 Nov 9, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Of course there were, but you could go back centuries with that logic.
I actually have specifics.

Since: May 13

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#180 Nov 9, 2013
Gay marriage is so sinful!

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