News You Should Know August 4, 2014

News You Should Know August 4, 2014

There are 181 comments on the Pridesource.com story from Aug 4, 2014, titled News You Should Know August 4, 2014. In it, Pridesource.com reports that:

A small but growing number of American Muslims are challenging the long-standing interpretations of Islam that defined their parents' world.

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Warner

Bathgate, UK

#1 Aug 4, 2014
Article ;
LOS ANGELES (AP)- A small but growing number of American Muslims are challenging the long-standing interpretations of Islam that defined their parents' world. These Muslims believe one can be gay and Muslim, that the sexes can pray shoulder-to-shoulder, that females can preach and that Muslim women can marry non-Muslims. They point to Quran passages to back them up and say the stricter version of Islam found in many immigrant mosques isn't representative of their faith. Nearly 40 percent of the estimated 2.75 million Muslims in the U.S. are American-born and the number is growing. The organization Muslims for Progressive Values is among those groups pushing for a more inclusive American Islam.
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I would like to see the parts of the Quran that support that females can preach and that someone can be gay and muslim,.and muslim women can marry non muslim men, and both sexes can pray side by side.
No Idols

London, UK

#2 Aug 4, 2014
If a Ghanaian born in Ghana claims to be an American, does that make him an American?
He can claim whatever he wants, if he wants to claim the half naked hovering trinity has overshadowed him on to top, you can. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/11/art...

Islam has and will always be based on the Quran and Sunna unlike man-ipulated Christianity that changes faster than the British weather.
Ex Senator Santpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Aug 4, 2014
Warner wrote:
Article ;
LOS ANGELES (AP)- A small but growing number of American Muslims are challenging the long-standing interpretations of Islam that defined their parents' world. These Muslims believe one can be gay and Muslim, that the sexes can pray shoulder-to-shoulder, that females can preach and that Muslim women can marry non-Muslims. They point to Quran passages to back them up and say the stricter version of Islam found in many immigrant mosques isn't representative of their faith. Nearly 40 percent of the estimated 2.75 million Muslims in the U.S. are American-born and the number is growing. The organization Muslims for Progressive Values is among those groups pushing for a more inclusive American Islam.
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I would like to see the parts of the Quran that support that females can preach and that someone can be gay and muslim,.and muslim women can marry non muslim men, and both sexes can pray side by side.
Of course you're racist and deluded because the buybull is quite clear about females remaining silent in church and keeping their heads covered in church.
My Favorite Sheep

Alpharetta, GA

#4 Aug 4, 2014
Warner wrote:
Article ;
LOS ANGELES (AP)- A small but growing number of American Muslims are challenging the long-standing interpretations of Islam that defined their parents' world. These Muslims believe one can be gay and Muslim, that the sexes can pray shoulder-to-shoulder, that females can preach and that Muslim women can marry non-Muslims. They point to Quran passages to back them up and say the stricter version of Islam found in many immigrant mosques isn't representative of their faith. Nearly 40 percent of the estimated 2.75 million Muslims in the U.S. are American-born and the number is growing. The organization Muslims for Progressive Values is among those groups pushing for a more inclusive American Islam.
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I would like to see the parts of the Quran that support that females can preach and that someone can be gay and muslim,.and muslim women can marry non muslim men, and both sexes can pray side by side.
It doesn't support you playing on the internet or driving a car either; but you do both without guilt or superstition
Warner

Bathgate, UK

#5 Aug 5, 2014
Ex Senator Santpornum wrote:
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Of course you're racist and deluded because the buybull is quite clear about females remaining silent in church and keeping their heads covered in church.
No, The Bible does not say that. I know what the Bible says but again it was the long winded pretty words of Paul that causes that misunderstanding. When analysed by people who are good at understanding scripture Paul says that women can prophesy but he does not want to see long hair swinging about wildly when they do it so if they are prophets they must keep their heads covered if they are going to be bowing the head and swinging their hair around and he says or shave your heads but ends by saying that would look disgusting as it is associated with criminals and sinners thus ruling out that they should shave their heads so why he said it is just pure long winded and confusing but that was Paul's utterances for the Lord combined with his personality.

So, when Paul speaks against women who are being allowed to talk in Church (and thrilled to be allowed it to the point of becoming nuisances)/and are shouting out he tells them as they are novices to Christian Scriptures to ask their husbands at home instead of calling out disrupting the service repeatedly. He says and none of you women (in that particular group of novices )are up to prophet standard so l rebuke you for pontificating. That is what he meant.

I get fed up educating Muslims about these scriptures of Paul's. They should keep away from Paul's scriptures because they don't understand them.
Warner

Bathgate, UK

#6 Aug 5, 2014
My Favorite Sheep wrote:
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It doesn't support you playing on the internet or driving a car either; but you do both without guilt or superstition
I opened the topix from the article that l did not write. I am not a Muslim. I don't understand your point?
Khan of London

London, UK

#7 Aug 5, 2014
No Idols wrote:
If a Ghanaian born in Ghana claims to be an American, does that make him an American?
He can claim whatever he wants, if he wants to claim the half naked hovering trinity has overshadowed him on to top, you can. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/11/art...
Islam has and will always be based on the Quran and Sunna unlike man-ipulated Christianity that changes faster than the British weather.
No Idols you must experience my big one; with Mohammed's (PBUH) help it will take you up into The Perfumed Garden of Sensual Delight!
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Aug 5, 2014
Warner wrote:
<quoted text>No, The Bible does not say that. I know what the Bible says but again it was the long winded pretty words of Paul that causes that misunderstanding. When analysed by people who are good at understanding scripture Paul says that women can prophesy but he does not want to see long hair swinging about wildly when they do it so if they are prophets they must keep their heads covered if they are going to be bowing the head and swinging their hair around and he says or shave your heads but ends by saying that would look disgusting as it is associated with criminals and sinners thus ruling out that they should shave their heads so why he said it is just pure long winded and confusing but that was Paul's utterances for the Lord combined with his personality.
So, when Paul speaks against women who are being allowed to talk in Church (and thrilled to be allowed it to the point of becoming nuisances)/and are shouting out he tells them as they are novices to Christian Scriptures to ask their husbands at home instead of calling out disrupting the service repeatedly. He says and none of you women (in that particular group of novices )are up to prophet standard so l rebuke you for pontificating. That is what he meant.
I get fed up educating Muslims about these scriptures of Paul's. They should keep away from Paul's scriptures because they don't understand them.
Well how about just one guy from California ....had to take more more pics......
here I am...ok.
Paul was JERK! a GOOON!!!!....well not quite? I dunno. I just know you've explained this guy
in a way that frees me of a vexation; Americans are practically rabid coyotes on bible-crack.
I blamed Paul in part because he seemed like a real pompous jerk with enough knowledge to be dangerous for future societies who might read his words and the emotional intentions behind them, then almost weave an idiot ABUSIVE mentality into core ideology for said society. America? Yes, I definitely see something to that effect going on in real everyday life
here in dirt world Hemet CA - a little bit. In our hyper-pumper maddog Mass Media, A LOT !!!
in abusive phraseology and behaviours of Domestic Violence defendants, Almost exactly the same in Paul's archaic persona as NOW with defendants in criminal court with the same reasoning/justifications for abusive behavior. Victim is to blame. No personal responsibility
for personal conduct and speech toward others. Now I understand his one point about the women shouting out in ..mass? anyway, he was right on that one. They were behaving like internet trolls in the meeting. Disruptive.
King James, KJV Bible...Also on my shit list. I won't go into it...
Thank You again sir, your post was
Very enlightening.
Christian Forever

United States

#9 Aug 5, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
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Well how about just one guy from California ....had to take more more pics......
here I am...ok.
Paul was JERK! a GOOON!!!!....well not quite? I dunno. I just know you've explained this guy
in a way that frees me of a vexation; Americans are practically rabid coyotes on bible-crack.
I blamed Paul in part because he seemed like a real pompous jerk with enough knowledge to be dangerous for future societies who might read his words and the emotional intentions behind them, then almost weave an idiot ABUSIVE mentality into core ideology for said society. America? Yes, I definitely see something to that effect going on in real everyday life
here in dirt world Hemet CA - a little bit. In our hyper-pumper maddog Mass Media, A LOT !!!
in abusive phraseology and behaviours of Domestic Violence defendants, Almost exactly the same in Paul's archaic persona as NOW with defendants in criminal court with the same reasoning/justifications for abusive behavior. Victim is to blame. No personal responsibility
for personal conduct and speech toward others. Now I understand his one point about the women shouting out in ..mass? anyway, he was right on that one. They were behaving like internet trolls in the meeting. Disruptive.
King James, KJV Bible...Also on my shit list. I won't go into it...
Thank You again sir, your post was
Very enlightening.
I don't know why you find Paul a "Jerk", or a "GOON". You must not have read much about him.

Let me be brief. Paul was a character of 'conversion' within the many of the Bible. But his is really the case for the power of Christian doctrine. Here was a Jew, with strong ties to the Temple pf Jerusalem, who hated Christians with a murderous passion. Some believe he was responsible for the stoning death of the Apostle Stephen, but all know he did in fact hunt Christians down for prosecution, or execution, prior to his conversion.

But the conversion took a passionate, obsessive enemy of Christianity, and made him just as much a passionate, obsessive follower/teacher of Christianity. And his mission was to become almost exclusively centered on the Gentile conversion-making him really unpopular with some in the Jewish-Christian movement in Jerusalem.

If people would consider the authors of the books within the Bible as 'people' and not Saints, they would have a better understanding of what they were, and who they became.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#10 Aug 5, 2014
No Idols wrote:
Islam has and will always be based on the Quran and Sunna unlike man-ipulated Christianity that changes faster than the British weather.
If islam is based upon the koran why do muslims get circumcised. There is nothing in the koran about circumcision. Why is alcohol banned? There is nothing about banning alcohol in the koran. Why do some sects stone adulterers? There is nothing about stoning adulterers in the koran. Seems that islam is more fickle than muhammad.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Aug 5, 2014
Christian Forever wrote:
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I don't know why you find Paul a "Jerk", or a "GOON". You must not have read much about him.
Let me be brief. Paul was a character of 'conversion' within the many of the Bible. But his is really the case for the power of Christian doctrine. Here was a Jew, with strong ties to the Temple pf Jerusalem, who hated Christians with a murderous passion. Some believe he was responsible for the stoning death of the Apostle Stephen, but all know he did in fact hunt Christians down for prosecution, or execution, prior to his conversion.
But the conversion took a passionate, obsessive enemy of Christianity, and made him just as much a passionate, obsessive follower/teacher of Christianity. And his mission was to become almost exclusively centered on the Gentile conversion-making him really unpopular with some in the Jewish-Christian movement in Jerusalem.
If people would consider the authors of the books within the Bible as 'people' and not Saints, they would have a better understanding of what they were, and who they became.
What makes you think he stopped being a "murderous" hate ful person just because he became a Christian? Criminal defendants do this everyday.You should read up in Domestic Violence and abuse.
The impurity trace has been detected in recent Waters of Life samples taken from many locations at many different times to take accurate measurements of trace attitudes (elements, impurities) over time to show changes in impurity levels over time.
Christian Forever

United States

#12 Aug 5, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
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What makes you think he stopped being a "murderous" hate ful person just because he became a Christian? Criminal defendants do this everyday.You should read up in Domestic Violence and abuse.
The impurity trace has been detected in recent Waters of Life samples taken from many locations at many different times to take accurate measurements of trace attitudes (elements, impurities) over time to show changes in impurity levels over time.
What makes me think Paul stopped? There is no written evidence that he continued on as was before his conversion. Do you have proof, evidence, or a source of written material that he did continue on as a "murderous, hateful person?"

What does a criminal defendant's conversion and family violence have to do with your posted allegation where you called Paul names, and drew my response?

Are your water samples some form of deflection to shroud your faulty impression of Paul? Or are you just another one of those folks suffering from a dis-associative disorder?
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Aug 5, 2014
Warner wrote:
<quoted text>No, The Bible does not say that. I know what the Bible says but again it was the long winded pretty words of Paul that causes that misunderstanding,
Actually it does say that. And it says many other things quite clearly that even supposed fundamentalists simply ignore out of convenience or for basic practicality or acceptability - slavery, divorce, and so on.

The obvious point which you avoid in order to present yourself as something other than a rank bigot is that you permit all sorts of "explanations" and "contextualizing" regarding the buybull and none of that regarding the corian.

You're a literalist exactly in those specific instances when it suits you. The height of hypocrisy.
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Aug 5, 2014
Onelawforall wrote:
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If islam is based upon the koran why do muslims get circumcised. There is nothing in the koran about circumcision. Why is alcohol banned? There is nothing about banning alcohol in the koran. Why do some sects stone adulterers? There is nothing about stoning adulterers in the koran. Seems that islam is more fickle than muhammad.
Why is the buybull internally contradictory, for example, regarding the basic narrative of the crucifixion and resurrection, on which the gospels disagree?(That is just one example.)

Why don't you have to follow the OT if you're xstain?(Someone conveniently invented a get out of jail free card.)

Why don't you advocate the practice of slavery?(Assuming, tenuously, that you do not.)

BS artists who have no artistic talent.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it does say that. And it says many other things quite clearly that even supposed fundamentalists simply ignore out of convenience or for basic practicality or acceptability - slavery, divorce, and so on.
The obvious point which you avoid in order to present yourself as something other than a rank bigot is that you permit all sorts of "explanations" and "contextualizing" regarding the buybull and none of that regarding the corian.
You're a literalist exactly in those specific instances when it suits you. The height of hypocrisy.
CRRAAAP!
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Aug 5, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
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CRRAAAP!
There's the anti rational denial kicking in, i.e., the buybull is important to me therefore it simply is not internally contradictory, does not suggest doing things we regard as reprehensible, and is not something christianists take literally in quite a selective way.

Except all those things are true.

The sick xstain mullahs always have some "reasons" why the buybull isn't saying what it says - due to context, due to some "analysis" as to why it doesn't mean what it says in this one instance, or because it's just a character speaking rather than the revealed buybull.

But when it comes to the Corian [sic], then all of a sudden the notion of context or of a character making the utterance or some recognition that other parts of the Corian say something quite opposed to the particular, offensive passage...all that goes out the window.

It's called "being mentally ill."

There are even fundies who will flatly deny there are differing versions of the crucifixion and resurrection. They'll say simple, no, or, those are trivial differences.

Now you run along and make sure that women in your house of worship keep their heads covered and stfu, and that slavery is re instituted, and that divorce is outlawed.
KeepCalmNcarryON

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Aug 5, 2014
Christian Forever wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes me think Paul stopped? There is no written evidence that he continued on as was before his conversion. Do you have proof, evidence, or a source of written material that he did continue on as a "murderous, hateful person?"
What does a criminal defendant's conversion and family violence have to do with your posted allegation where you called Paul names, and drew my response?
Are your water samples some form of deflection to shroud your faulty impression of Paul? Or are you just another one of those folks suffering from a dis-associative disorder?
American Christian Neo conservative ass hats and other angry abusive Crustians - yeah, I meant that -
Are the DEFINITION of a dis-associative disorder. I won't respond to you again, Shadow ban.
When in Rome doThe Romans

Portland, OR

#18 Aug 5, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
I won't respond to you again, Shadow ban.
What makes you think he'd give a sh!t about it?
Warner

Bathgate, UK

#19 Aug 5, 2014
KeepCalmNcarryON wrote:
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What makes you think he stopped being a "murderous" hate ful person just because he became a Christian? Criminal defendants do this everyday.You should read up in Domestic Violence and abuse.
The impurity trace has been detected in recent Waters of Life samples taken from many locations at many different times to take accurate measurements of trace attitudes (elements, impurities) over time to show changes in impurity levels over time.
Paul who was called Saul prior to becoming a Christian underwent a drastic conversion to Christianity. He did see Jesus our Lord on the road to Damascus when he was going there to stop Christianity taking hold. As a pious Pharisee he believed that Jesus was a False Prophet usurping God Yahweh and he was intent to destroy Christianity. He had been present at the stoning of Stephen, the first Christian martyre, as he looked after the coats of the people who were stoning Stephen. After Jesus accused Saul of persecuting him and Saul said " No ,sir, l don't know you, who are you?" The end result is Paul became a new person. Paul died for Jesus. Paul was accepted by the Other Apostles. They knew he was preaching Christianity,and he had changed. Jesus is life changing.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#21 Aug 6, 2014
You as a free will agent of Creation, are able to believe what you want, but the truth is God's word the Bible, not what you think or want it to mean to you.
The Bible says not to be homosexual, not to fornicate and not to use any blood, human or animal. Paul was taught by Jesus himself, Acts 9:15,16
1 Corinthians 6:9
You choose to believe and obey your Bible, you are being judged today whether or not you will survive the end of this world, by how you obey the KING
of God's Kingdom, Jesus.
John 3:36

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