Book with two moms returns to elementary school library

Jan 16, 2013 | Posted by: imayogi | Full story: www.proudparenting.com

The ACLU of Utah defended the book "In Our Mothers' House" by Patricia Polacco, after it was removed from the Davis School District's library shelves...
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Anyone interested can go back and look at your post #6, on page 1 of this thread. YOU are the one who brought up creationism. It wasn't an issue until YOU introduced it. No one else had mentioned it.
no sh!t sherlock!
that's why I am saying (AGAIN AND AGAIN) I RAISED the issue in response to the poster who claimed the right are the ones who ban things...
so I RAISED creationism, and you all got crazy about how it should not be taught in schools thereby PROVING THE POINT I RAISED!

see that yet?
geez....
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Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>Now that's some funny sh!t.... LOL
Oh and no it has no place in school
exactly. thank you for proving that the right is not the only ones who want to ban things from school...

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exactly. thank you for proving that the right is not the only ones who want to ban things from school...
there is no reason to teach it in school as iyts a fairytale

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straight shooter wrote:
no sh!t sherlock!
that's why I am saying (AGAIN AND AGAIN) I RAISED the issue in response to the poster who claimed the right are the ones who ban things...
so I RAISED creationism, and you all got crazy about how it should not be taught in schools thereby PROVING THE POINT I RAISED!
see that yet?
geez....
No, I see no point. Instead of just re-capping the play-by-play, try RESTATING your point in a different manner. If you don't think that people are seeing your point, it COULD be because you aren't clearly expressing it.

Public schools aren't in the position of teaching myths. They are not spiritual leaders. It is not their JOBS to be instructing people on which religions they should choose, or how religious they should be, or whether they should be religious AT ALL. If you want to HAVE a religion, then feel free to select one. Teach it to your children, if that is your desire. But don't expect the government to back you up, by enforcing that teaching in schools. There are far too MANY religions for that to be workable, and public schools serve children of many DIFFERENT religions. Most religions are contradictory to the others, and none of them have any evidence to support their claims in any case.

But, by the same token, schools are not TRYING to be in the position of telling people to be gay or straight. They are not enforcing one orientation over another.

But they would ALL teach that REGARDLESS of one's sexual orientation OR one's religion, we should all work together peaceably and cooperatively for a smoother, happier, fairer society.

MY point is: Teaching creationism would show governmental favoritism toward one religion. It's completely inappropriate in a public school setting. But, teaching acceptance in a diverse world IS an acceptable and appropriate subject (and goal), because we all DO live in a diverse world together.

You SEEM to be saying that, in the name of "consistency", we must accept teaching EVERYTHING, if we're going to try teaching ANYTHING. If that's NOT your point, then restate it.

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so oyu are denying these issues are being taught in schools?
so reality aside as usual, eh?
but I am merely discussing what SHOULD be taught and what SHOULD be banned from schools and trying to elicit some kind of rule that can be applied CONSISTENTLY...
No, I simply asked what school is teaching that "2 women can make a baby an one can be the dad" or whatever your ridiculous claim was.

Yes, some schools are teaching about same-sex families, because same-sex families exist.

You worry too much about consistency. Not everything has to be taught in every school everywhere. That's why local school boards & state boards of education exist.
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does creationism have any place in public schools?
consistency?
No. Creationism does not have a place in public schools. Neither does alchemy, nor astrology. Creationism could be taught as part of a mythology course, right alongside Hesiod; however, there is absolutely nothing scientific about creationism.
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Kids don't go to the library,nowadays to read books,they'd have to keep their mouths shut.They(boys) go there to play violent video games,and (girls)complain and criticize other people on facebook.

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FINALLY! You got one right. SS marriage and or parenting is just that, a fairy tale.
WOO HOO!!!
no actually ssm is reality in like 6 states now.... but creationism is still a fairytale in all 50
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straight shooter wrote:
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does creationism have any place in public schools?
consistency?
Creationism would like to plunge us into an age of darkness again.. It's only good for advocates of troglodytism..
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is that a rational distinction for why religion is not to be taught but orientation is?
so again, all that you wrote is applicable to orientation (but the choice which is DEBATABLE)
most religious people think they were born that way as well...
"most religious people think.. etc.".. I believe you.. They're hardly ever given the chance of learning anything else for "it might be sinful".. "it IS sinful".. "a little learning is a dangerous thing" and the rest of the garbage they're bombarded with from the cradle on.. Even musts, like Shakespeare, have to be sifted for "Oh! some of those sonnets.. better keep them away from the child.." In England there was the case of an indignant parent who complained: "Who is this fellow Shakespeare who uses words like 'womb'!!(in "Romeo and Juliet")..
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straight shooter wrote:
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you are APRTLY right:
look into Miller v Jenkins a vt custody case:
"In the civil union dissolution proceedings, primary custody of Isabella was granted to Miller as Miller was her biological mother, while Jenkins was granted visitation rights. Miller subsequently moved to Virginia, which does not recognize civil unions, and denied attempts by Jenkins to visit Isabella. Miller further claimed that she had become a fundamentalist Christian and was no longer a lesbian."
she chose religion AND chose to reject being a lesbian...
She can have chosen and chosen from her lips outward.. but I bet you anything she remains a lesbian.. she's just giving up her true nature for the sake of a very questionable and uncertain prize after death..
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if she rejects lesbianism she is not bi-sexual...
sorry to provide you with a real life example in reality that you have to deny...
Neither has she ceased to be a lesbian.. She's wearing what is called "the shallow mask of manners"..
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straight shooter wrote:
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no sh!t sherlock!
that's why I am saying (AGAIN AND AGAIN) I RAISED the issue in response to the poster who claimed the right are the ones who ban things...
so I RAISED creationism, and you all got crazy about how it should not be taught in schools thereby PROVING THE POINT I RAISED!
see that yet?
geez....
Is it leftist to say that astrology should not be taught as science, and that astronomy should? Shall we retreat from the periodic table in favor of "earth,air,fire,water ", and from medicine to "humours, bloodletting and leeches"?

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Is it leftist to say that astrology should not be taught as science, and that astronomy should? Shall we retreat from the periodic table in favor of "earth,air,fire,water ", and from medicine to "humours, bloodletting and leeches"?
There is a difference between teaching creationism and teaching ABOUT creationism.

I'm an athiest and would have no problem if schools taught about creationism as part of a religious studies program. Of course considering the history of abuse of the church/state line by the religious freaks, it would need to be closely monitored to ensure they aren't in fact teaching creationism.

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Hitler was an atheist.
There is a lot of debate about that. I don't believe he ever said either way.
I would think he must have held religious beliefs, after all, who has caused more murder and mayhem than people of religion? I'm not saying atheists wouldn't, but they have been so small in number that they just haven't had their chance yet. Humans being what they are, I would expect they would probably be just as bad.
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No, I see no point. Instead of just re-capping the play-by-play, try RESTATING your point in a different manner. If you don't think that people are seeing your point, it COULD be because you aren't clearly expressing it.
Public schools aren't in the position of teaching myths. They are not spiritual leaders. It is not their JOBS to be instructing people on which religions they should choose, or how religious they should be, or whether they should be religious AT ALL. If you want to HAVE a religion, then feel free to select one. Teach it to your children, if that is your desire. But don't expect the government to back you up, by enforcing that teaching in schools. There are far too MANY religions for that to be workable, and public schools serve children of many DIFFERENT religions. Most religions are contradictory to the others, and none of them have any evidence to support their claims in any case.
But, by the same token, schools are not TRYING to be in the position of telling people to be gay or straight. They are not enforcing one orientation over another.
But they would ALL teach that REGARDLESS of one's sexual orientation OR one's religion, we should all work together peaceably and cooperatively for a smoother, happier, fairer society.
MY point is: Teaching creationism would show governmental favoritism toward one religion. It's completely inappropriate in a public school setting. But, teaching acceptance in a diverse world IS an acceptable and appropriate subject (and goal), because we all DO live in a diverse world together.
You SEEM to be saying that, in the name of "consistency", we must accept teaching EVERYTHING, if we're going to try teaching ANYTHING. If that's NOT your point, then restate it.
no, you guys are just incapable of understanding consistency, that's the problem here...

and to redirect you here's my question...on what basis do we decide what belongs in school and what doesn't.

That a woman can be a "father" is a myth...
so by YOUR STANDARD, if applied CONSISTENTLY, that idea has no place in a school...
which begs the question WHO decides what is fact and what is "myth", and it is clear you think its based on YOUR beliefs, which is hugely ironic and INCONSISTENT...
follow me yet?
or do you guys want to just fight over who raised the issue of creationism in school after me saying 5 times IT WAS ME!

You guys all took the bait and rabidly discussed banning creationism from being TAUGHT in schools...

so BIG FINALE: is it just the religious that want things NOT TO BE TAUGHT in school?
and all of your reactions sufficiently prove the answer is NO!

See how I was still making a point regardless of your awareness of it?
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Yes, some schools are teaching about same-sex families, because same-sex families exist.
You worry too much about consistency. Not everything has to be taught in every school everywhere. That's why local school boards & state boards of education exist.
the belief in creationism as well as catholicism also EXISTS.(to remind you, I am not a believer in religion, but i am in consistent rules)
yet you are fine with people learning that on the outside right?
so again, can you grasp that this is not consistent?
you want your agenda taught but no one else's...why do you get yours and NO ONE ELSE does?

and yes, the claim of bullying (purely evident on this board) is equally applicable to both as well!
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straight shooter wrote:
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no, you guys are just incapable of understanding consistency, that's the problem here...
and to redirect you here's my question...on what basis do we decide what belongs in school and what doesn't.
That a woman can be a "father" is a myth...
so by YOUR STANDARD, if applied CONSISTENTLY, that idea has no place in a school...
which begs the question WHO decides what is fact and what is "myth", and it is clear you think its based on YOUR beliefs, which is hugely ironic and INCONSISTENT...
follow me yet?
or do you guys want to just fight over who raised the issue of creationism in school after me saying 5 times IT WAS ME!
You guys all took the bait and rabidly discussed banning creationism from being TAUGHT in schools...
so BIG FINALE: is it just the religious that want things NOT TO BE TAUGHT in school?
and all of your reactions sufficiently prove the answer is NO!
See how I was still making a point regardless of your awareness of it?
Creationism isn't taught in public schools. It violates the seperation of church and State.
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straight shooter wrote:
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the belief in creationism as well as catholicism also EXISTS.(to remind you, I am not a believer in religion, but i am in consistent rules)
yet you are fine with people learning that on the outside right?
so again, can you grasp that this is not consistent?
you want your agenda taught but no one else's...why do you get yours and NO ONE ELSE does?
and yes, the claim of bullying (purely evident on this board) is equally applicable to both as well!
Are you really trying to compare teaching reality to teaching religious beliefs? Creationism is NOT taught in public schools because it violates our Constitution.
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Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Creationism isn't taught in public schools. It violates the seperation of church and State.
they teach about religious holidays, so reality aside as usual, huh?

it isn't taught because of the rabid reaction all you guys showed thereby proving its not just the right that bans topics from schools...

would you object to some background on Islam given current events?

consistency is not your virtue...

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