Book with two moms returns to element...

Book with two moms returns to elementary school library

There are 394 comments on the www.proudparenting.com story from Jan 16, 2013, titled Book with two moms returns to elementary school library. In it, www.proudparenting.com reports that:

The ACLU of Utah defended the book "In Our Mothers' House" by Patricia Polacco, after it was removed from the Davis School District's library shelves...

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AzAdam

Earlysville, VA

#400 Jan 28, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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gay couples do not include both a mom and dad.
that is a "deficiency" by definition.
"A deficiency is generally a lack of something."
If they have a child, it is BY CHOICE and their choice was to raise the child without...
and justifying this by reference to other TRAGEDIES or broken homes is not valid...
A same sex family has 2 dads. A heterosexual family has only one. 1 is a deficiency relative to 2.
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#401 Jan 28, 2013
AzAdam wrote:
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A same sex family has 2 dads. A heterosexual family has only one. 1 is a deficiency relative to 2.
yup. true enough...
but you are not a baseball card collector are you?

doubles...

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#402 Jan 28, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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gay couples do not include both a mom and dad.
that is a "deficiency" by definition.
"A deficiency is generally a lack of something."
If they have a child, it is BY CHOICE and their choice was to raise the child without...
and justifying this by reference to other TRAGEDIES or broken homes is not valid...
If you're going to use that argument then perhaps we should insist that all couples raising kids must also be interracial, and of two different religions. After all, to deny kids that diversity must be wrong!
AzAdam

Earlysville, VA

#403 Jan 28, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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yup. true enough...
but you are not a baseball card collector are you?
doubles...
No. And the analogy doesn't apply.

Since: Mar 09

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#404 Jan 28, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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gay couples do not include both a mom and dad.
that is a "deficiency" by definition.
"A deficiency is generally a lack of something."
If they have a child, it is BY CHOICE and their choice was to raise the child without...
and justifying this by reference to other TRAGEDIES or broken homes is not valid...
They are couples. Many hetero families cannot claim the same.

Go try to write Law discriminating against THEM!

Since: Mar 09

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#405 Jan 28, 2013

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#407 Jan 28, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
yup. true enough...
but you are not a baseball card collector are you?
doubles...
Human beings are not collectibles. Why does the anti-gay position always boil down to dehumanizing their opposition?

If a marriage should only be allowed (in your view) when a mother and a father would both be present, then would your vaunted Civil Unions include a BAN on gay couples raising children?

This would SEEM to be your reasoning. If you want to prevent gay couples from utilizing "marriage" as it is federally recognized, due to the fact that they would not provide both a mother and a father to any children they might raise, then CU's solve nothing unless they FORBID gay couples from raising any children. Is this a clause that you would support being included in CU's?

Maybe I misunderstand your position, I'd like to hear you clarify it. I'm still unclear on what "differences" you feel are necessary between marriages and CU's. For example if a man and a woman chose to be joined by a civil union, in what ways would their needs NOT be met, as a couple, or as parents?
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#408 Jan 29, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
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Human beings are not collectibles.
I read no further than this faux outrage...
if you are really outraged, then you need to grow up and grasp the concept of an analogy...
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#409 Jan 29, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
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If you're going to use that argument then perhaps we should insist that all couples raising kids must also be interracial, and of two different religions. After all, to deny kids that diversity must be wrong!
"Loving does indicate that not all state restrictions upon the right to marry are beyond reach of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely upon race and one based upon the fundamental difference in sex."

so says the court in Baker...
no wonder you guys refuse to accept that case is law...
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#410 Jan 29, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I read no further than this faux outrage...
if you are really outraged, then you need to grow up and grasp the concept of an analogy...
Not all analogies are valid... hence the phrase "comparing apples and oranges."

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#411 Jan 29, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
I read no further than this faux outrage...
if you are really outraged, then you need to grow up and grasp the concept of an analogy...
Outraged? No, just BAFFLED.

Baseball cards. Really? And this "analogy" is supposed to explain why gay couples make bad parents? I understand the concept of an analogy, but they need to be FITTING before they can be grasped. Two dads (or moms) are not "double cards" to be traded in. Children are lucky to have ANY parents. Children who grow up in orphanages don't tend to collect ANY baseball cards. I'm sure they would LOVE to have doubles.

I think you did read the rest. I think you simply had no plausible reply. I'm quite sure it's easier to avoid tough questions with your nose in the air, rather than admit you have no answers.

You continue to fail to list these "differences" between marriages and CU's. I'd still like to hear them. I'd love to hear just ONE.

Would CU's forbid gay couples from raising any children? If not, then CU's present no differences from marriage.

If a heterosexual couple chose a CU, what needs would they have that would not be met? If there are none, then CU's present NO DIFFERENCE from marriage.

CU's are nothing but a bureaucracy of segregation. They serve no discernible purpose from marriage, and you have not bolstered their cause by supplying any such purposes. You continue to resist doing so. It is baldly obvious, despite your attempts to shirk answering because you sense "faux outrage". Anyone else who read my FULL post could only chuckle at your poor excuses for dodging my questions.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#412 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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"Loving does indicate that not all state restrictions upon the right to marry are beyond reach of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely upon race and one based upon the fundamental difference in sex."
so says the court in Baker...
no wonder you guys refuse to accept that case is law...
How about actually responding to the direct question posed to you? Can't do it, can you.

Typical.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#413 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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gay couples do not include both a mom and dad.
that is a "deficiency" by definition.
"A deficiency is generally a lack of something."
...
So, since straight couples lack two Moms or two Dads, they are also lacking something, and are deficient?

That "lack" cuts both ways, Dear.

Since: Mar 07

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#414 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I read no further than this faux outrage...
if you are really outraged, then you need to grow up and grasp the concept of an analogy...
Shouldn't an analogy make a bit of sense?

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