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PA Department Of Health Sues Hanes To Stop Same-Sex Marriages

There are 41 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Jul 31, 2013, titled PA Department Of Health Sues Hanes To Stop Same-Sex Marriages. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The Pennsylvania Department of Health has sued Montgomery County Register of Wills Bruce Hanes to stop him from issuing same-sex marriage licenses

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#28 Aug 1, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but that's not what you posted earlier and now you are changing your story.......oh and by the way, it is illegal to have more than one driver's license in your possession.......just because the DMV didn't take it, doesn't mean it's okay to keep it or use it!!!
And as usual......you find it necessary to change the topic........wonder why?
He's trolling, that's all.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#29 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your name changes are on file, yes, there is a system now in place, the US has been implementing it for a decade and every state now participates. If they did not mar your license, then that was their mistake, but it would not allow you to do anything with the old names anyway as the credit system is what the new identification system is based on. It's not the courts that track this information, it's the Department of Licensing that submits it to the databases which are all tied into the credit system. If you have multiple accounts from BofA, then it's not because of legal name changes, and is only possible if you are using forged identifications with stolen identities.
I think since 9/11 the system has been in place......before 9/11 it was easy to change one's name......I did it just before I got out of the Military and again when I took on my partner's last name......both times it clearly stated that you could not be doing this to defraud someone......and and the paperwork had to be notarized.....from what FaFoxy aka Daniel P is posting......it is different and if a teller at a major bank is apparently not having an issue.....then my guess is they aren't doing their job!!!!

Something's not kosher!!!

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#30 Aug 1, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but that's not what you posted earlier and now you are changing your story.......oh and by the way, it is illegal to have more than one driver's license in your possession.......just because the DMV didn't take it, doesn't mean it's okay to keep it or use it!!!
And as usual......you find it necessary to change the topic........wonder why?
I've got drivers licenses from several states each with a different name. No state ever asked for my previous license.

And there is NO central lace for names changes. Those records are kept only in the particular county where you filed a name change. And with over 3000 counties in the U.S., there simply is no system in place.

Also, once you legally change your name, there is no legal requirement that you use it.:) And unless you tell someone, how would anybody even find out about it ? Believe me, I've done this so many times over the years, I know what I'm doing. In fact, you CAN file several name changes all at the same time, in different counties. One county doesn't know what the other county is doing when it comes to that sort of thing.

I've got about (I don't want to say exactly) 16 different forms of ID each with different names, and I learned a long time ago, that you NEVER tell ANYONE your birth name. NEVER ! There's no way for them to find out anyways.

The simple fact of the matter is, is that one cannot "prove" their identity. The governments don't like that to be known, but that is the truth.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#31 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
He's trolling, that's all.
That's obvious......must need some attention......but I do know that it's not that easy to change one's name.......my wife tried to do it at DMV and they started the process, but then Social Security wouldn't take it and she was like stuck in between.....almost like she didn't exist for awhile.....and then to clear it up, we had to get her divorce decree to fix it and then change it after we got married......but it was a real hassle.....and incredibly frustrating!!!

Have a great day......I'm off to rest for a bit:-)

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#32 Aug 1, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
That's obvious......must need some attention......but I do know that it's not that easy to change one's name.......my wife tried to do it at DMV and they started the process, but then Social Security wouldn't take it and she was like stuck in between.....almost like she didn't exist for awhile.....and then to clear it up, we had to get her divorce decree to fix it and then change it after we got married......but it was a real hassle.....and incredibly frustrating!!!
Have a great day......I'm off to rest for a bit:-)
When my fiancee began living as a female, she went down to our local New York State DMV and changed her name, AND HER SEX on her license, and they didn't ask for ANY paperwork or proof whatsoever.

And about 22 years ago, I had my wallet stolen, and it had just about every form of ID i owned in that wallet, including my driver's license, car registration, auto insurance card, social security card (THAT was dumb !) and just about every form of ID i had.

So I called up the local office of the DMV, told them what happened, and asked them how I could get a replacement license and registration. The New York State DMV told me to bring down a water bill and an electric bill. THAT'S ID ???!!! I brought the 2 bills down to their office, and they were satisfied with that, and gave me a replacement license and registration.

It's NOT rocket science !

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#33 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
When my fiancee began living as a female, she went down to our local New York State DMV and changed her name, AND HER SEX on her license, and they didn't ask for ANY paperwork or proof whatsoever.
And about 22 years ago, I had my wallet stolen, and it had just about every form of ID i owned in that wallet, including my driver's license, car registration, auto insurance card, social security card (THAT was dumb !) and just about every form of ID i had.
So I called up the local office of the DMV, told them what happened, and asked them how I could get a replacement license and registration. The New York State DMV told me to bring down a water bill and an electric bill. THAT'S ID ???!!! I brought the 2 bills down to their office, and they were satisfied with that, and gave me a replacement license and registration.
It's NOT rocket science !
Things have change since 9/11 or are you to stupid to figure that out?

I changed my name no problem over 27 years ago.......but like I've said, things have changed since 9/11 and 6 yeas ago, it was NOT so easy to change one's name without going through the Court system and it costing enormous amounts of money......now, you can claim what ya want......but what you post is NOT REALISTIC in the post 9/11 United States!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#34 Aug 1, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
That's obvious......must need some attention......but I do know that it's not that easy to change one's name.......my wife tried to do it at DMV and they started the process, but then Social Security wouldn't take it and she was like stuck in between.....almost like she didn't exist for awhile.....and then to clear it up, we had to get her divorce decree to fix it and then change it after we got married......but it was a real hassle.....and incredibly frustrating!!!
Have a great day......I'm off to rest for a bit:-)
Difficulty at changing the name is usually a state thing, but you cannot change the name on a birth certificate without some major work for all states, and that name is the one that "sticks" to your records, all of them. 9-11, which you mentioned in another post, sort of initiated a drastic upgrade, but the system was not fully in place until about a decade ago, the database sharing system that connects everything, even your medical records, to a federally managed database. Currently they are also adding DNA records to the database, which is, at the moment, an "opt out" record, but having your DNA tied to your records is really a good idea if you're a law abiding citizen as it can offer you a lot of protection.

Since name changes must be recorded at the DMV, the primary entry point for such information, linked to your vitals now, is there, on the back of the new identification/license cards you can see the vitals barcode. It's all connected to your credit records as well, since the government discovered that credit records are more complete than anything else.

Anyhow, have a wonderful night, I hope life continues to find you well.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#35 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
When my fiancee began living as a female, she went down to our local New York State DMV and changed her name, AND HER SEX on her license, and they didn't ask for ANY paperwork or proof whatsoever.
And about 22 years ago, I had my wallet stolen, and it had just about every form of ID i owned in that wallet, including my driver's license, car registration, auto insurance card, social security card (THAT was dumb !) and just about every form of ID i had.
So I called up the local office of the DMV, told them what happened, and asked them how I could get a replacement license and registration. The New York State DMV told me to bring down a water bill and an electric bill. THAT'S ID ???!!! I brought the 2 bills down to their office, and they were satisfied with that, and gave me a replacement license and registration.
It's NOT rocket science !
Now I am 100% certain you are a liar. A simple Google search explains why you are a liar:

www.thetransitionalmale.com/dlchange
http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/dlchange#2...
"Need: Therapist or doctors letter verifying living as male full-time and undergoing treatment."

http://nysdmv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail...
"f you you had a sex change or you are transgender, complete form MV-44 (Application for Driver License or Non-Driver ID Card). Bring form MV-44, your current NYS photo document, and proof of the sex change to a DMV office."

That was easy, try to troll harder.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#36 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Get a credit report of any one of the names you have ever used. My information is accurate and up to date, your information is from the 1950s, and no later than 1980s.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#37 Aug 1, 2013
Daniel P. is lying, as usual. Anyone who is involved in genealogy knows the true cost of a birth certificate, and which states will send them, and which won't. Not all states will provide a birth certificate just for the asking, and the price is closer to $15. I've been doing this for 35 years, and fewer and fewer states will provide a birth certificate so easily or cheaply, altho some will. Death certificates are much easier, but still costlier than $3.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#38 Aug 1, 2013
Sorry, Daniel. I said lying. I was wrong, and apologize. You were stretching the truth.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#39 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Difficulty at changing the name is usually a state thing, but you cannot change the name on a birth certificate without some major work for all states, and that name is the one that "sticks" to your records, all of them. 9-11, which you mentioned in another post, sort of initiated a drastic upgrade, but the system was not fully in place until about a decade ago, the database sharing system that connects everything, even your medical records, to a federally managed database. Currently they are also adding DNA records to the database, which is, at the moment, an "opt out" record, but having your DNA tied to your records is really a good idea if you're a law abiding citizen as it can offer you a lot of protection.
Since name changes must be recorded at the DMV, the primary entry point for such information, linked to your vitals now, is there, on the back of the new identification/license cards you can see the vitals barcode. It's all connected to your credit records as well, since the government discovered that credit records are more complete than anything else.
Anyhow, have a wonderful night, I hope life continues to find you well.
As I said, I did it less than a year ago.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#40 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I am 100% certain you are a liar. A simple Google search explains why you are a liar:
www.thetransitionalmale.com/dlchange
http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/dlchange#2...
"Need: Therapist or doctors letter verifying living as male full-time and undergoing treatment."
http://nysdmv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail...
"f you you had a sex change or you are transgender, complete form MV-44 (Application for Driver License or Non-Driver ID Card). Bring form MV-44, your current NYS photo document, and proof of the sex change to a DMV office."
That was easy, try to troll harder.
She did it in the 1980's, and they didn't require any proof at all.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#41 Aug 1, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Sorry, Daniel. I said lying. I was wrong, and apologize. You were stretching the truth.
New York City, and a small city on Ohio each charged me $3 at the time. This was about 1990 I think.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#42 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
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New York City, and a small city on Ohio each charged me $3 at the time. This was about 1990 I think.
Now all of a sudden you are back to 1990. I just dug out a list I received from a genealogical resources company I belong to. They update this list every six months. This one is from 30 Jun 2013:
Alabama AL $15.00
Alaska AK $30.00
Arizona AZ $20.00
Arkansas AR $12.00
California CA $20.00
Colorado CO $17.75
Connecticut CT $15.00
Delaware DE $10.00
Florida FL $9.00
Georgia GA $25.00
Hawaii HI $10.00
Idaho ID $13.00
Illinois IL $15.00
Indiana IN $10.00
Iowa IA $15.00
Kansas KS $15.00
Kentucky KY $10.00
Louisiana LA $9 to $15
Maine ME $10.00
Maryland MD $24.00
Massachusetts MA $20.00
Michigan MI $40.00
Minnesota MN $26.00
Mississippi MS $7.00
Missouri MO $15.00
Montana MT $10.00
Nebraska NE $12.00
Nevada NV $13.00
New Hampshire NH $15.00
New Jersey NJ $25.00
New Mexico NM $10.00
New York NY $30.00
North Carolina NC $24.00
North Dakota ND $7.00
Ohio OH $21.50
Oklahoma OK $15.00
Oregon OR $20.00
Pennsylvania PA $10.00
Rhode Island RI $20.00
South Carolina SC $12.95
South Dakota SD $15.00
Tennessee TN $8 to $15
Texas TX $22.00
Utah UT $8.00
Vermont VT $10.00
Virginia[G] VA $12.00
Washington WA $20.00
West Virginia WV $12.00
Wisconsin WI $20.00
Wyoming WY $13.00
And guess what one of the requirements is for your identification in most all of them. Two forms of ID, one of them being a Drivers License or State Issued ID. Quite a trick considering the Drivers License is what you want to use the certificate for.
In any event, your little story doesn't hold water in most places, and your $3 story doesn't hold any at all. We genealogists know how to check facts.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#43 Aug 1, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
Now all of a sudden you are back to 1990. I just dug out a list I received from a genealogical resources company I belong to. They update this list every six months. This one is from 30 Jun 2013:
Alabama AL $15.00
Alaska AK $30.00
Arizona AZ $20.00
Arkansas AR $12.00
California CA $20.00
Colorado CO $17.75
Connecticut CT $15.00
Delaware DE $10.00
Florida FL $9.00
Georgia GA $25.00
Hawaii HI $10.00
Idaho ID $13.00
Illinois IL $15.00
Indiana IN $10.00
Iowa IA $15.00
Kansas KS $15.00
Kentucky KY $10.00
Louisiana LA $9 to $15
Maine ME $10.00
Maryland MD $24.00
Massachusetts MA $20.00
Michigan MI $40.00
Minnesota MN $26.00
Mississippi MS $7.00
Missouri MO $15.00
Montana MT $10.00
Nebraska NE $12.00
Nevada NV $13.00
New Hampshire NH $15.00
New Jersey NJ $25.00
New Mexico NM $10.00
New York NY $30.00
North Carolina NC $24.00
North Dakota ND $7.00
Ohio OH $21.50
Oklahoma OK $15.00
Oregon OR $20.00
Pennsylvania PA $10.00
Rhode Island RI $20.00
South Carolina SC $12.95
South Dakota SD $15.00
Tennessee TN $8 to $15
Texas TX $22.00
Utah UT $8.00
Vermont VT $10.00
Virginia[G] VA $12.00
Washington WA $20.00
West Virginia WV $12.00
Wisconsin WI $20.00
Wyoming WY $13.00
And guess what one of the requirements is for your identification in most all of them. Two forms of ID, one of them being a Drivers License or State Issued ID. Quite a trick considering the Drivers License is what you want to use the certificate for.
In any event, your little story doesn't hold water in most places, and your $3 story doesn't hold any at all. We genealogists know how to check facts.
Well, the only time I needed a copy of a birth certificate was in 1990 for a life insurance claim. Since I was ordering a copy of one, I thought I would also get a copy of my own at the same time from The City Of New York. I haven't needed any copies of birth certificates since.

This is NOT rocket science.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#44 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
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Well, the only time I needed a copy of a birth certificate was in 1990 for a life insurance claim. Since I was ordering a copy of one, I thought I would also get a copy of my own at the same time from The City Of New York. I haven't needed any copies of birth certificates since.
This is NOT rocket science.
Then why did you state that one can get a copy for $3? That's an outright lie. You just thought you wouldn't be caught. Are you aware no one believes anything you say any more? At least those of us who have been on Topix for over 6 months. That's about all it takes.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#45 Aug 1, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why did you state that one can get a copy for $3? That's an outright lie. You just thought you wouldn't be caught. Are you aware no one believes anything you say any more? At least those of us who have been on Topix for over 6 months. That's about all it takes.
No, it's not. I paid $3 for each one the last time I ordered them.

And you can order any person's birth certificate simply by requesting it and paying a small fee.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#46 Aug 1, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not. I paid $3 for each one the last time I ordered them.
And you can order any person's birth certificate simply by requesting it and paying a small fee.
Look, kiddo, your trolling failed, the cost was not less than $10 in any state during the 1980s. Just give it up already.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#47 Aug 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, kiddo, your trolling failed, the cost was not less than $10 in any state during the 1980s. Just give it up already.
Three bucks in New York and Ohio.:)

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