Mormon church wants more compassion f...

Mormon church wants more compassion for gays

There are 61 comments on the Reno Gazette-Journal story from Dec 6, 2012, titled Mormon church wants more compassion for gays. In it, Reno Gazette-Journal reports that:

In this Jan. 31, 2008 file photo, two Mormon missionaries walk past a large map of the world in a hallway at the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah.

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“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#49 Dec 7, 2012
No More Apples wrote:
The Mormon church welcomes all gay people. That was the point of the article. It's not a choice. That's an olive branch. Why the hostility?
Sure, the Mormon church may welcome gay people. So long as those gay people abide by the religious dictates. Be gay, just don't be a sexual being.

Thank you, NO!

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#50 Dec 7, 2012
Come join our church, give us your money and vote the way we tell you, just don't expect to live as an authentic human being.

Meanwhile the prejudice that says gay people cannot be allowed to be fully human, continues to be promoted, resulting in needless suffering and death here and around the world.

And they call that compassion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#51 Dec 7, 2012
No More Apples wrote:
The Mormon church welcomes all gay people. That was the point of the article. It's not a choice. That's an olive branch. Why the hostility?
An olive branch covered in thorns is not an olive branch.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#52 Dec 8, 2012
No More Apples wrote:
The Mormon church welcomes all gay people. That was the point of the article. It's not a choice. That's an olive branch. Why the hostility?
The 'olive branch' is a trojan horse

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#54 Dec 8, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>It is *GOD* that you are refusing:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Imaginary people have no weight on reality. Do you have someone who is demonstrably highly intelligent, and not imaginary, that you could quote? Anyone? Didn't think so.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#56 Dec 8, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>It is *GOD* that you are refusing:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
There you go, making God over in your own twisted image again. Do you really think that a perfect divine being would really be so petty and spiteful as you are making Him out to be?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#57 Dec 8, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>If you really so discounted God's many commands against your immoral lifestyle choice, you would walk on and not be here 24/7 posting bigoted hate.
So, having no sex at all is "immoral" to you? Wow, you are insane.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#58 Dec 8, 2012
He really is tedious, tendentious, and a lot of other words beginning with the letter "T".

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#59 Dec 8, 2012
Caleb wrote:
It is *GOD* that you are refusing:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
I don't believe there is a god. So I cannot be refusing it anything.

Toilet paper has more meaning in my life than any page from your religious text.

Now, the only common document between us would be the U.S. Constitution. I refer you to these:

Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Amendment 9: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment 14, Section 1: 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#60 Dec 8, 2012
Caleb wrote:
It is *GOD* that you are refusing:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
And to be clear, I never said Mormons or you cannot have your religious beliefs. But they are yours, not mine, and I take great exception to anyone trying to say I must live by their religious dictates.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#61 Dec 9, 2012
snyper wrote:
He really is tedious, tendentious, and a lot of other words beginning with the letter "T".
such as:
-Twit
-Troll
-Tragic

oh why state the obvious?

At least this voice in his head "Caleb" seems to have stuck around inside David M's head longer than most the other sock puppets.

Maybe the meds are finally stabilizing the poor trapped closet case.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#62 Dec 12, 2012
Caleb wrote:
You know well enough that all homosexual behavior is repeatedly condemned in both Testaments of the Bible.
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And then there is Jonathan and David's marriage found in the 1611 King James Bible:
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1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
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1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.

2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
++++++++++

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#63 Dec 12, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
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And then there is Jonathan and David's marriage found in the 1611 King James Bible:
.
++++++++++
1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
.
1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
.
1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
.
1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
.
2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.
2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
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That was in the same bible that my g'mother made me read when I was a kid. I didn't know what they were talking about in most cases in the bible anyway, so this made no sense and no one would/could explain it to me. It's not just in the King James Bible.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#65 Dec 12, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>You are of course again lying about the Bible. It specifically says that David was free of such serious sin,'except in the matter concerning Uriah the Hittite' whom he got out of the way to get at his wife. It is a ludicrous lie to claim that polygamist David was a homosexual! The penalty for engaging in a homosexual act in his day was death. Homosexual behavior is repeatedly condemned in the plainest of terms in both Testaments, as you well know.
Sorry; but 'homosexual' is nowhere to be found in the 1611 Authorized King James Bible
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#67 Dec 13, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#68 Dec 13, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry; but 'homosexual' is nowhere to be found in the 1611 Authorized King James Bible
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
The word itself was created by Freud.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#69 Dec 13, 2012
IrishmanLA wrote:
<quoted text>
The word itself was created by Freud.
And....put into bibles by MAN.......... not God!

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#71 Dec 13, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>No Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition places in question the Bible's many commands against all homosexual behavior, and the word homosexual isn't even used much in today's most popular translation:
I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.
David Moore/Caleb/whatever you name is at the moment: have you had a revelation? Or was this your plan all along -- to fight for LGBT civil rights by pretending to be anti-gay and spouting all the usual claptrap used to put gays down in order to demonstrate how ridiculous it all is?

And now you've done your big reveal and are now copying and pasting pro-LGBT arguments.

Well played. And as we all know, bigotry will lose out in the end because justice will prevail. LGBT civil rights, just like all civil rights, must be affirmed if they are to mean anything in a legal sense for the majority.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72 Dec 13, 2012
Oh, the self hating homosexual from Pekin is full of laughs. Tell us some more good jokes.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#73 Dec 13, 2012
IrishmanLA wrote:
<quoted text>
The word itself was created by Freud.
The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny.

In 1879, Gustav J├Ąger used Kertbeny's terms in his book, "Discovery of the Soul".

In 1886, Richard von Krafft-Ebing used the terms homosexual and heterosexual in his book, "Psychopathia Sexualis".

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