Some LGBT activists oppose jail time ...

Some LGBT activists oppose jail time in Rutgers case

There are 28 comments on the Post-gazette.com story from May 20, 2012, titled Some LGBT activists oppose jail time in Rutgers case. In it, Post-gazette.com reports that:

Several hundred supporters rally in front of the New Jersey Statehouse last Monday in Trenton on behalf of Dharun Ravi, the former Rutgers University student convicted of bias intimidation for using a webcam to see his Rutgers roommate kissing another man.

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Mehtt Romney

Philadelphia, PA

#1 May 21, 2012
Those are Southeast Asian community protesters in the photo. The criminal's family has mobilized its community well to try and influence the process.

Some glbt activists do not like hate crimes enhancements. They are cranks.

Some glbt activists do not like the particular, broad, novel use of hate crimes laws in this case. Why this should have anything to do with the criminal not getting any jail time is beyond me.

The criminal, with a history of lying for no reason to peers, who tried to destroy evidence, who lied to investigators, who tried to tamper with witnesses, who was clearly motivated by anti gay bias (tweeting "he's a dude!" about Tyler's date) deserves some jail.

Especially since he turned down that sweetheart plea deal of probation and community service he was offered months ago.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2 May 21, 2012
Just revoke his visa and deport him.

Why spend good money on his incarceration.

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#4 May 21, 2012
Since a jury of his peers found him guilty of ALL 15 caharges, INCLUDING HATE CRIMES CHARGES, I think he should be sentenced to the maximum time possible, SERVE ALL THAT TIME, then be deported after he serves his full sentence, and NEVER be allowed back in the U.S.

Living in the U.S. is a PRIVILEGE for foreigners, NOT A RIGHT !

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 May 21, 2012
I agree with the activists on this. His crime was not overtly a hate crime in this matter, very poor taste and invasion of privacy, but I see no reason to persecute people for something they did not do.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#6 May 21, 2012
Waste no money on him. Deport him without possibility of return.
Mehtt Romney

Philadelphia, PA

#7 May 21, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
I agree with the activists on this. His crime was not overtly a hate crime in this matter, very poor taste and invasion of privacy, but I see no reason to persecute people for something they did not do.
The charges the convicted felon was found guilty of even without the bias intimidation one are serious enough on their own to warrant prison time.

Of course the convicted felon was motivated by bias. We know this because the convicted felon's tweets advertising the mocking, attempted, dorm wide viewing party of the second encounter emphasized that Tyler was with "a dude."

Indeed, from simple context we know a mockingly advertised viewing party of a sex hookup would never take place with a heterosexual couple, unless maybe one of them had a disparaged characteristic, such as a handicap or else a racial difference from the other partner, etc.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#8 May 21, 2012
Mehtt Romney wrote:
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The charges the convicted felon was found guilty of even without the bias intimidation one are serious enough on their own to warrant prison time.
Of course the convicted felon was motivated by bias. We know this because the convicted felon's tweets advertising the mocking, attempted, dorm wide viewing party of the second encounter emphasized that Tyler was with "a dude."
Indeed, from simple context we know a mockingly advertised viewing party of a sex hookup would never take place with a heterosexual couple, unless maybe one of them had a disparaged characteristic, such as a handicap or else a racial difference from the other partner, etc.
Hmm, well then, I change my vote. Guilty.

LOL Honestly, in cases like this I find too much gray area and consider them a "had to be there" point. I really don't like those cases much.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#9 May 21, 2012
snyper wrote:
Waste no money on him. Deport him without possibility of return.
So you would punish him the same as an undocumented immigrant? A man is dead. Let him serve some time, then kick what's left of his azz out of the country.

Since: Jun 11

Houston, TX

#10 May 21, 2012
I believe he should serve some jail time to communicate that this is NOT acceptable practice (from 6-12 months), and then since I believe he is rehabilitatable, a VERY lengthy probation, along with community service, preferably that puts him in contact with GLBT people.
Free Dharun

New York, NY

#11 May 21, 2012
FREE DHARUN!!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#12 May 21, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hmm, well then, I change my vote. Guilty.
LOL Honestly, in cases like this I find too much gray area and consider them a "had to be there" point. I really don't like those cases much.
You haven't been getting all the story. There's some pretty vile evidence that was presented at the trial.

Deport him.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 May 21, 2012
Free Dharun wrote:
FREE DHARUN!!
DEPORT DHARUN !

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#14 May 21, 2012
snyper wrote:
Waste no money on him. Deport him without possibility of return.
He'll be sentenced in a few hours. The judge in these court proceedings cannot deport him. That's a function of teh INS whis is a federal agency. Tis state judge has no power to do that. But the judge CAN sentence him to a maximum of 10 years in prison. I hope taht's what he does.

THEN, after he serves his sentence (hopefully in full), the INS can deport him back to his native India. He cna go work in Bangalore.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#15 May 21, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hmm, well then, I change my vote. Guilty.
LOL Honestly, in cases like this I find too much gray area and consider them a "had to be there" point. I really don't like those cases much.
Sometimes we have to back off and look at the big picture
.
If Ravi never existed; would Tyler still be alive today?
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The same can be asked about the Trayvon Martin case. If George Zimmerman never existed; would Trayvon Martin still be alive today?

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#17 May 21, 2012
He only got 30 days in jail !

:(

HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN 10 YEARS !!!

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#18 May 21, 2012
This is a travesty of justice ! He gets convicted of 15 criminal counts and he only gets 30 days ! What a crock !
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#19 May 21, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
He only got 30 days in jail !
Big Bubba can teach Ravi all he needs to know in less than 20 minutes

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#20 May 21, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Big Bubba can teach Ravi all he needs to know in less than 20 minutes
My guess is he'll spend the 30 days in a jail or low security prison.

This ruling is a smack in the faces of the jurors who found him guilty. I wonder if the promised appeal will actually be filed. Ravi got a deal too good to be believed.

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#21 May 21, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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My guess is he'll spend the 30 days in a jail or low security prison.
This ruling is a smack in the faces of the jurors who found him guilty. I wonder if the promised appeal will actually be filed. Ravi got a deal too good to be believed.
I agree. I'll bet many, if not all, of the jurors in this case feel that all their time and effort in convicting Ravi of ALL 15 criminal counts against him was a waste of time.

Shame on the judge !

And btw, it's standard practice to give 1/3 time off for good behaviour, so Ravi will probably spend less than 3 weeks in jail.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#22 May 21, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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I agree. I'll bet many, if not all, of the jurors in this case feel that all their time and effort in convicting Ravi of ALL 15 criminal counts against him was a waste of time.
Shame on the judge !
And btw, it's standard practice to give 1/3 time off for good behaviour, so Ravi will probably spend less than 3 weeks in jail.
Except it takes six weeks to process an early release....

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