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Since: Nov 07

this one

#605 Apr 7, 2013
Regnerus compared apples to things he called oranges in a way which guaranteed that the things he was calling oranges were going to come up short. His biggest problem is that his definition for the things he calls oranges includes just about anything that remotely resembles one, even if it is nowhere close to being an actual orange. The only thing that the things he calls oranges actually have in common is that they all used to be apples.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#606 Apr 7, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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There was not then nor now any award for that study......and you can claim all ya want that it had no flaws, but the author of the study HIMSELF disagrees with you and has stated so........and you only accept it because it agrees with your beliefs.......but no matter what you say.......it is a severely flawed study, the conclusion was written 3 weeks before the data was completed.
From an article about the study:
An internal audit by the academic journal that originally published it found the conclusions to be “bullshit” because Regnerus’s criteria was whether a kid’s parent ever had a same-sex relationship, regardless of how long it lasted or what role in played in parenting.
In a new interview with Focus on the Family — a group invested in continuing to cite the study to oppose LGBT equality — Regnerus admits that the foundation of his study is too weak to draw the conclusions that many have made:
REGNERUS: I got taken to task for leaning on young adults’ assessments of their parents’ relationships. I didn’t ask them whether they thought their mom was a lesbian or if their dad was gay. Because, in part, self-identity is a different kind of thing than behavior, and lot of people weren’t “out” in that era. I think we can all think of moms and dads when we were growing up that we either knew or suspected were gay or lesbian, but never “came out of the closet,” so to speak. So, I didn’t want to make the assumption that these young adults would identify their parents as gay or lesbian, so I kept the focus on relationship behavior.
So, stability in the sense of long-term was not common. And frankly, it’s not all that common among heterosexual population. I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad.
So, Regnerus’ study was not about parents who openly identify as gay or lesbian. It was not about same-sex couples in long-term relationships raising children together. Regnerus even admits “this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad,” because he knows has no foundation on which to make such a claim. This was a study about unstable couples, possibly in sham marriages, who may have dabbled in same-sex relationships outside of their original marriage at a time when there was no recognition for same-sex couples anywhere in the country. In others words, the study’s results have zero implication for conversations in 2012 about out, committed same-sex couples who are already raising children.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/30/1110...
From another article:
In the same issue of the journal, three other scholars rendered comments on the NFSS results and Regnerus addressed their comments as well. His study raised a huge outcry of protest, which led, among other things, to the University of Texas conducting a preliminary investigation into the ethics of his study (he was cleared of any malfeasance). Subsequently, in the November issue of SSR, several scholars, including the editor of SSR and an auditor of the review process, rendered their verdicts on the study. Professor Regnerus also provided a revised analysis of the data, attempting to address some of the criticisms of his study.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/was-the-re...
This last article shows issues with why Regnerus Study has issues......again, it's about his methodology.......it needed to be adjusted and not have a specific cherry-picked participate group!!!
Honey, you prove my point posting that the study was cleared, and then say it is severely flawed.

The only reason Regnerus cautioned about the study is that out of 3000 subjects, he could only find 2 or 3 stable lesbian families and no gay ones! Moreover, those were not positive settings either!

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#607 Apr 7, 2013
Shit Breath wrote:
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You are such a liar. His methodology is OBVIOUSLY flawed, well.... to anybody that has an ounce of education in research methods. He didn't win ANY awards, except for Quack of the Year. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”
Kind of leaves your opinion in the dirt, doesn't it?
YOUR opinion leaves mine in the dirt?

That with an out of context quote?

Get really girl.

Smile.

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#608 Apr 7, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Why bother.
All those professionally rated studies and you are backing up more than an 40 year old fork lift? You can't come up with ONE, but you want to diss the one that does give it's methodology?
I'll bet you are on a Dorthy 'quest' for courage and a brain.
Snicker.
Can you show some proof that the Regnerus survey compared the parenting ability and the parenting results between gay long term couples and straight married couples raising kids?

Lets hear what you've got.

If not, like I said.

Why bother?

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#609 Apr 7, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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YOUR opinion leaves mine in the dirt?
That with an out of context quote?
Get really girl.
Smile.
Back to your claims. What award did the survey win, and who awarded it?

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#610 Apr 7, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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... say it is severely flawed.
The only reason Regnerus cautioned about the study is that out of 3000 subjects, he could only find 2 or 3 stable lesbian families and no gay ones! Moreover, those were not positive settings either!
Smile.
Stable gay couples with kids aren't hard to find - I know a great many.

So, at least you are finally admitting that this survey in no way compared the parenting abilities of gay couples to straight couples, and compared the outcomes of their children.

So, why bother with it?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#611 Apr 7, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Stable gay couples with kids aren't hard to find - I know a great many.
So, at least you are finally admitting that this survey in no way compared the parenting abilities of gay couples to straight couples, and compared the outcomes of their children.
So, why bother with it?
I ask for ONE example of methodology out of scores of studies that equate lesbian parenting with biological (there are NO gay studies...), and you can't produce?

Instead, you deny the latest, largest and most scientific study to date?

Here is your problem;

Step, adoptive, foster and single parents ALL rate below biological parents. You want to claim that ss couples who can only ever be a deprived HALF of those situations is EQUAL to biological parents.

Silly stupid. At the price of a child's welfare. Which makes it obscenely depraved.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#612 Apr 8, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Why bother? It's not that Regneres actually studied gay parents or parenting.
Do you have some peer-reviewed studies that actually compare gay parents to straight parents?
Yes, the Regnerus study....NEXT!

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#613 Apr 8, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Stable gay couples with kids aren't hard to find - I know a great many.[/QUEST]

They must be 'research' shy....even the experts (the honest ones) will tell you the sampling is too small....

[QUOTE]So, at least you are finally admitting that this survey in no way compared the parenting abilities of gay couples to straight couples, and compared the outcomes of their children.
So, why bother with it?
Just gave you one in the post above...try again...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#614 Apr 8, 2013
Francisco dAnconia wrote:
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your post is a perfect example of how your agenda works!
what substantive points did you raise?
all you have is elementary insults and announcements of your own inferiority complex...
this "all opposition is bigotry" just makes you look silly...
I know, I know I am a bigot for calling you out on your childish tack...
no, you are a bigot as you discriminate against others with no factual backing...for hte sole reason that you are prejudiced against them. that would clearly make you a bigot.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#615 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Just gave you one in the post above...try again...
in one post you will say that gay couples haven't been raising kids long enough for a good study and in the next post, you say this study proves what you want it to on the same subject?!?!?

how can you lie like that so openly?

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#616 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, you are a bigot as you discriminate against others with no factual backing...for hte sole reason that you are prejudiced against them. that would clearly make you a bigot.
More opinion....zero fact....as usual...

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#617 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>in one post you will say that gay couples haven't been raising kids long enough for a good study and in the next post, you say this study proves what you want it to on the same subject?!?!?
how can you lie like that so openly?
In one post you said that their were no studies that show harm to children being raised in ss homes....

In another post you say there 'is' a study, but you don't like the way it was conducted....how can you lie so openly???

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#618 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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In one post you said that their were no studies that show harm to children being raised in ss homes....
In another post you say there 'is' a study, but you don't like the way it was conducted....how can you lie so openly???
No, i was correct in both, the study you cite doensn't prove what you think it does. how could it if there aren't enough people to survey, as you clearly stated?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#619 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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More opinion....zero fact....as usual...
no, you have not given one factual reason why SSm should not be legal, your prejudice and fear of homosexuality makes you a bigot.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#620 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, i was correct in both, the study you cite doensn't prove what you think it does.
Of course it does...that's why you all formed up a lynching party for this guy before you even knew the facts....
[how could it if there aren't enough people to survey, as you clearly stated?
His was the 'most' sampling of all your silly tests put together....
If you are challenging our results...you have to be challenging your own results of the studies you tote so highly as truth...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#621 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Of course it does...that's why you all formed up a lynching party for this guy before you even knew the facts....
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His was the 'most' sampling of all your silly tests put together....
If you are challenging our results...you have to be challenging your own results of the studies you tote so highly as truth...
how can that be when you clearly stated there weren't enough same sex couples that have raised kids to make a proper study?

which of your statements is true?

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#622 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how can that be when you clearly stated there weren't enough same sex couples that have raised kids to make a proper study?
which of your statements is true?
You have twisted my word...there weren't enough samplings for 'your' studies....get it now???

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#623 Apr 8, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You have twisted my word...there weren't enough samplings for 'your' studies....get it now???
how can there be enough SS couples raising kids for one study but not another?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#624 Apr 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how can that be when you clearly stated there weren't enough same sex couples that have raised kids to make a proper study?
which of your statements is true?
The problem Regnerus had was there were no long term SS couples raising children to measure the impact. Out of about 200 as couples, only two or three could be rated long term.

Doesn't look good...

Snicker.

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