Prop. 8 Judge: 'What Judges Do and Mu...

Prop. 8 Judge: 'What Judges Do and Must Do Is ... Move the Strike Zone'

There are 33 comments on the www.catholic.org story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Prop. 8 Judge: 'What Judges Do and Must Do Is ... Move the Strike Zone'. In it, www.catholic.org reports that:

Judge Vaughn Walker, the now-retired federal judge in San Francisco who nullified California's Proposition 8 in 2010, said if judges really are umpires, they must sometimes "move the strike zone" in order to champion social issues like same-sex marriage.Walker said federal judges must "reflect the common understanding of the day" and that "clear and fixed legal rules" do not exist.

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Junior Esquire

United States

#1 Sep 17, 2012
Quite often, the "common understanding of the day" is replaced by the judge's personal understanding. Like when gay marriage was forced upon the citizens of the State of Iowa by three misguided judges, who were subsequently removed from the bench.
"Common understanding of the day" means popular opinion, not the judges opinion. To protect that "popular opinion" from misguided judges, it must be cast in stone in the State Constitution.
EPTFS

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Sep 17, 2012
Vaughn Walker is just another politicized clown devoid of knowledge or principle.
He said as much about himself.

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#3 Sep 17, 2012
Remember Junior, Just because you have a computer and an internet connection doesn't mean you have to subject the world to every idiotic though that runs through your feeble mind.
Junior Esquire

United States

#4 Sep 17, 2012
Laquesha Jefferson PhD wrote:
Remember Junior, Just because you have a computer and an internet connection doesn't mean you have to subject the world to every idiotic though that runs through your feeble mind.
In your case, I think "PhD" means: "Piled Higher and Deeper".

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#5 Sep 17, 2012
Link to the original story:

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#6 Sep 17, 2012
Sometimes I wish that our "friends" would keep quiet.
Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Sep 17, 2012
The catholic church has changed its strike zone too, like when it thought the earth was the center of the universe, when it thought the earth was flat, when it didn't believe in evolution, when it didn't speak out against Hitler, when it hid child molesters in its ranks as late as a couple of years ago and definitely under the instruction of the current pope when he was in position to make the rules, the catholic church has been wrong about so many things and worse yet stands up for years lying about it before their egos will allow them to confess their mistakes. The church is really horrible at science and even worse when it comes to sexuality, I mean how much can you learn about sexuality from your own ten fingers?
Junior Esquire

United States

#8 Sep 17, 2012
snyper wrote:
Sometimes I wish that our "friends" would keep quiet.
"hi hi", "snyper" is referring to YOU.
Mahmoud

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Sep 17, 2012
snyper wrote:
Sometimes I wish that our "friends" would keep quiet.
Sometimes I think adult homosexuals are rather queer for being interested in spending as much time around pre-pubescent children as they do.
It's all rather quite queer.
Perhaps it's just typical.

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#10 Sep 17, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
<quoted text>
In your case, I think "PhD" means: "Piled Higher and Deeper".
I think that resorting to insults after only three POSTS is a sure sign that the TOPIC of a thread in pretty much a pile of SHIT.
AdaminAZ

Lynchburg, VA

#11 Sep 17, 2012
Common understanding of the day was a poor choice of words, but he clearly explained what he meant by that. Namely that in court you have to back your argument with facts and evidence, requirements that anti-gay cant meet.
Dont like what he said? Find some evidence.
Junior Esquire

United States

#12 Sep 17, 2012
Laquesha Jefferson PhD wrote:
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I think that resorting to insults after only three POSTS is a sure sign that the TOPIC of a thread in pretty much a pile of SHIT.
The thread was initiated by "RickInKansas".
Take your complaint up with him.
Junior Esquire

United States

#13 Sep 17, 2012
Laquesha Jefferson PhD wrote:
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I think that resorting to insults after only three POSTS is a sure sign that the TOPIC of a thread in pretty much a pile of SHIT.
"Laquesha"???
You are a fat black chick.
Why is your avatar a pic of an attractive white chick?
EPTFS

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Sep 17, 2012
AdaminAZ wrote:
Common understanding of the day was a poor choice of words, but he clearly explained what he meant by that. Namely that in court you have to back your argument with facts and evidence, requirements that anti-gay cant meet.
Dont like what he said? Find some evidence.
Read what Walker said.
He said he didn't consider the law, common law, or standards.
Just homosexual politics.
As if anyone expected differently.
Liberal judges do this all the time.
david traversa

Corrientes, Argentina

#15 Sep 17, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
Quite often, the "common understanding of the day" is replaced by the judge's personal understanding. Like when gay marriage was forced upon the citizens of the State of Iowa by three misguided judges, who were subsequently removed from the bench.
"Common understanding of the day" means popular opinion, not the judges opinion. To protect that "popular opinion" from misguided judges, it must be cast in stone in the State Constitution.
Popular opinion, like popular taste, is invariably poor.. If YOUR rights and preferences were dependant on the opinion of a large group of uneducated and deeply prejudiced mob, would you like it? Are you sure they would always be fair to you? It's madness that people first elect a group of capable judges to decide important issues and then oust them because of impartiality while doing their job.. Homosexual marriage is hurting nobody in Iowa (as it's not hurting anybody here in Argentina).. When it comes to civil rights the majority has always been unfair to minorities; that's why these decisions cannot be left for them to decide. It's WRONG! and should seem wrong to you also; unless, of course, you happen to have the mentality of a Ku Klux Klan member or that of a devotee of the Westborough Baptist Church..
EPTFS

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Sep 17, 2012
david traversa wrote:
<quoted text>Popular opinion, like popular taste, is invariably poor.. If YOUR rights and preferences were dependant on the opinion of a large group of uneducated and deeply prejudiced mob, would you like it? Are you sure they would always be fair to you? It's madness that people first elect a group of capable judges to decide important issues and then oust them because of impartiality while doing their job.. Homosexual marriage is hurting nobody in Iowa (as it's not hurting anybody here in Argentina).. When it comes to civil rights the majority has always been unfair to minorities; that's why these decisions cannot be left for them to decide. It's WRONG! and should seem wrong to you also; unless, of course, you happen to have the mentality of a Ku Klux Klan member or that of a devotee of the Westborough Baptist Church..
You're profoundly ignorant about what's going on in the United States.
If you don't mind looking like an idiot, go ahead and pretend to tell Americans what you know about the United States.

Tell us everything about Texas.
Therapistlcsw

Belmar, NJ

#17 Sep 18, 2012
This is why they have "majority opinions" on supreme court and courts of appeal. Much of law is oPinion. You can't just state your opinion outright though- it must be supported by evidence of the case presented or it will get overturned.
I see in this thread we have people beholden to discredited "facts" such that gays are more apt to be child molestors. And we have someone who believes majority rule is most important even when proven to be wrong and harmful.
Remember if you can "fire" judges they may become subject to the will of special interest groups to keep their position. Iowa judges did what was "right" - however misguided you believe that is- and you fired them in preference for judges that will judge how you want them to even of it is not "right". You make a judge a politician.
The facts of Walkers case speak for themselves- the prop 8 supporters have no facts that hold up in court.
Therapistlcsw

Belmar, NJ

#18 Sep 18, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
Quite often, the "common understanding of the day" is replaced by the judge's personal understanding. Like when gay marriage was forced upon the citizens of the State of Iowa by three misguided judges, who were subsequently removed from the bench.
"Common understanding of the day" means popular opinion, not the judges opinion. To protect that "popular opinion" from misguided judges, it must be cast in stone in the State Constitution.
Only way State Constitution can hold on to it's enshrined bigotry is if bigotry is written into the federal constitution. Right now the federal constitution can, is, and will be used to strip state constitutions of this misguided attempt at oppression. If you want gays not to win their marriage fight (they will keep fighting as they have more to gain/lose then you) is to take marriage out of state altogether and forgo state benefits. Then you can have your sanctified marriage and scoff at their sanctified marriages as inferior
BS Detector

Panorama City, CA

#19 Sep 18, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
Quite often, the "common understanding of the day" is replaced by the judge's personal understanding. Like when gay marriage was forced upon the citizens of the State of Iowa by three misguided judges, who were subsequently removed from the bench.
"Common understanding of the day" means popular opinion, not the judges opinion. To protect that "popular opinion" from misguided judges, it must be cast in stone in the State Constitution.
Agreed. "Common understanding" is reflected by the fact that when same sex marriage reaced the ballot, it was defeated every single time. The "common understanding" is, then, that the "the people" do not want nor support same sex marriage despite the claims of its supporters.

Reason suggests, then, that Judge Walker did not follow his own notion and was therefore an activist judge making law rather than interpreting the Constitutionality of law.
AdaminAZ

Lynchburg, VA

#20 Sep 18, 2012
EPTFS wrote:
<quoted text>Read what Walker said.
He said he didn't consider the law, common law, or standards.
Just homosexual politics.
As if anyone expected differently.
Liberal judges do this all the time.
I read it and I disagree with your assessment.

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