Conservatives vow to make gay marriage 2012 issue

Feb 24, 2011 Full story: Fort Worth Star-Telegram 91

Angered conservatives are vowing to make same-sex marriage a front-burner election issue, nationally and in the states, following the Obama administration's announcement that it will no longer defend the federal law denying recognition to gay married couples.

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Columbus, OH

#41 Feb 25, 2011
whitefalcon1678 wrote:
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It isn't really smart of you to tell people to watch their tone when you don't understand how 'secular' is applied to the United States government.
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One. Homosexuality is found in ALL animals, not just some. Two. Homosexuality does not prevent homosexual people from reproducing, it prevents them from reproducing WITH EACH OTHER, which makes your point invalid. Three. Until you understand what constitutes nature in the sense of sexuality, you will not understand that just because something is in the minority, that doesn't make it unnatural. Take albino-ism for example.
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Marriage has been evolving for ages. For example, Solomon had over 1,000 wives. But we don't approve of that now, do we?
And I don't think heterosexuals are entitled to any marriage rights because the divorce rate is so high, so why should I recognize your unions? Because they involve a penis and a vagina? No thanks.
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You are literally talking out of your rear right now, and you need to stop. Try meeting some gay people and try finding some couples who have been in relationships for longer than you have, and then come back and tell us that it's about sex.
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You just threw a temper tantrum and you expect us to "step off?" You literally just told us all the reasons why you think being gay is wrong, and yet you have no idea what it is like. I don't care what your skin color is, why do you care what my sexuality is?
Oh, and black people used to be considered 3/5 of a person. Things change with knowledge. Just saying.
I couldn't have said it better.
Well put.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#42 Feb 25, 2011
Jasmine wrote:
Honestly I doubt obama will be a two term president. He just keeps saying controversial things that the majority don't agree with and it will hurt him in the long run. This saddens me greatly because I feel like I'm always in the middle when it comes to obama. I am for civil unions but against gay marriage and I also happen to be a democrat so I just have mixed feeling about it I feel the same as the conservatives on this issue BUT at the same time I do want to see Obama re elected because I think a republican in office would some how bring further damage to the already awful economy. People plz don't attack me this is just my opinion it's the whole point of a forum to express your view.
Actually, I think most Americans DO agree with most of what Obama says. It is beyond my comprehension how his enemies manage to spin their case that his ideas are unpopular or overreaching. And yet you are clear evidence that this tactic works beautifully.

I don't think you can find a single initiative of Obama's that wasn't part of his campaign promises. As far as the GLBT issues go, he ran promising a hate crimes law, ending DADT, repealing DOMA, and passing ENDA. He accomplished two of the big four. Given political realities, he will not be able to accomplish the other two legislatively, which he would have preferred.

So his administration has aimed for what it can accomplish. Most of DOMA will remain law. Lovers may still want to avoid Virginia. But the part that denies 1100 federal benefits to same-sex married couples will fall.

The right wing is hyperventillating that this outrageous decision is far beyond anything Obama was elected to do. But he ran on a promise to end DOMA. So who should be surprised?

I think Obama has played the GLBT hand shrewdly. Many of us have been impatient, but that is our problem. After the 2008 election, hate crimes seemed like low-hanging fruit, but even that proved difficult. We got DADT repeal done legislatively, which gives the repeal great legitimacy that it would lack if accomplished any other way. If Obama had dropped defense of DOMA earlier, I'm not sure DADT repeal would have happened. And he had his priorities straight in assuring that our soldiers are treated fairly.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#43 Feb 25, 2011
Jasmine wrote:
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Who said that this is a secular nation? I think that a lot of Americans belong to some religion whether it be christian,muslim,jewish etc. I don't think this nation is secular at all it just seems that way because the atheist etc. scream a little bit louder than we do. I don't wish to start a religious aurgument because aurgueing is futile and nihilistic if both sides won't budge.
In your last sentence you've eliminated any chance of an argument leading to at least understanding each other. We may not alter our positions but if we understand WHY each of us believes as we do, then WE can work together to come up compromises and solutions that actually work.

However, that can't happen if we stop talking and as long as we're talking, we're not fighting.

Eric

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#44 Feb 25, 2011
Jasmine wrote:
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Secular= not pertaining to or connected with religion ( opposed to sacred): secular music as the dictionary defies it when I say that I meant that most Americans belong to a certain faith not they we operate under one religion common sense says we have the freedom to choose to be in whatever religion we're in. Since you've been rude I will not state why I'm against gay marriage maybe in the future you will watch your tone.I have the right to be against homosexual marriage and I won't be bullied into believing I should be for it. I am against homosexual marriage because I am a christian religion aside I believe its humanly AGAINST nature basic human anatomy shows that. Homosexuality is found in some animals but those same animals can reproduce so obviously homosexuality is just against HUMAN NATURE. Secondly I believe that marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN it's been that way for ages and shouldn't change now just because gays feel it should and because it's a modern day world that isn't a valid reason to change the constitution of marriage. Lastly I don't think a gay couple is entitled to the same rights as a heterosexual couple because I don't recognize the union. Homosexuals are more promiscuous their union doesn't appear to be love but appears to be about SEX. Homosexuals only want gay marriage for the rights their "equal" when it benefits them but when they they want to wrongly accuse someone of a hate crime or have that affirmative action benefit kick in so they can slack off and not be able to get fired their "special" I'm not buying it if you want all these special laws to protect you from everything you aren't equal. As for black being black isn't a choice pretty sure that I know since I'm black being gay however isn't a choice but living in the lifestyle is I can't choose to live in the white lifestyle tomorrow. Homosexuality used to be considered a MENTAL ILLNESS.
Statistics on homosexual marriage etc.: http://www.frc.org/get.cfm...
Now feel free to call me names I couldn't care less you asked for my opinion and you got it throw a tantrum get all emotional but I don't care about any homosexuals emotion. Step off.
Your source is VERY highly biased and ... well wrong.

I'm a Jew (raised Orthodox) and on the Board of my temple. My husband is a Christian (raised Evangelical) and sings in his Churches choir. We are legally married and have been together longer than the FRC "statistics" (which are a fraud), would tell you.

My husband and I are devout people of faith, and homosexual. We know dozens more just like us, all in committed marriages, some legally recognized, most not.

All of us are citizens and we deserve, by Constitution, our rights as married couples.

There is a lot more to us than you think and believe it or not, YOU and I, share more in common than we do not.

Eric

Since: Jun 10

Euless, TX

#45 Feb 25, 2011
i live here in Texas and i know for sure that there are much bigger fish to fry than to keep messing with us...what is wrong with equal rights for all the people...not just a few ?

and we fight on

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#46 Feb 25, 2011
John Crews wrote:
I find it very funny how Republicans are attacking Obama for supposedly putting all his concentration on social issues and gays instead of jobs and the economy when that is exactly what Republicans are doing in many states and in congress. Too bad there isn't an H in Republican to stand for the word hypocrite. Obama is just not going to defend DOMA. Not defending something is not a time consuming thing that would take away from Obama's efforts to improve the economy and jobs. What happened to jobs and the economy? Now Republicans are concentrating all their efforts on making gays second or third class citizens. I hope it comes to bite them in the butt in 2012. The L in Republicans stands for LIAR.
1. Democrat is for Dumbass,,, If you want to be gay its you’re business and I really don’t have a problem with it. Now with that said marriage is for the procreation of children and baring some miracle of science that I have yet to hear about being gay exempts you from doing that. Why should you be able to get married and have access to the same marriage benefits I do? Here is a reason… Income taxes will be increased to make up for the marriage tax benefits given to homosexual couples and to pay for the social costs resulting from the increase in illegitimacy. We provide financial benefits to married couples because they produce and care for children. Why should homosexual couples get the same benefits as men and women raising children? Moreover, providing financial incentives for homosexual unions would be doubly counterproductive. First, taxpayers would be subsidizing, and thus encouraging destructive behavior. Second, we then would pay for the results of that behavior in the form of increased medical and social costs. Here is another,,, Social security taxes will be increased (or benefits decreased) in order to pay survivor support benefits to homosexual “widows” and “widowers.”,,, Here are more reasons ,,,,., Medical insurance premiums will rise to offset the higher health care costs associated with homosexual behavior (i.e., AIDS, colon cancer, hepatitis and other diseases) which will likely increase if we approve same-sex marriage. Medical premiums would rise further if insurance companies are mandated to cover fertility treatments for lesbian couples (there’s sure to be some judge somewhere to order that!). I can go on and on with this,,,,, Employee benefits will be reduced as employers are mandated to spread their limited benefit dollars to include homosexual partners. Limited benefit dollars given to homosexuals must come from somewhere; indeed, they are taken away from everyone else—married couples raising children,,, Its a life style and a choice,,

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#47 Feb 25, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text>1. Democrat is for Dumbass,,, If you want to be gay its you’re business and I really don’t have a problem with it. Now with that said marriage is for the procreation of children and baring some miracle of science that I have yet to hear about being gay exempts you from doing that. Why should you be able to get married and have access to the same marriage benefits I do? Here is a reason… Income taxes will be increased to make up for the marriage tax benefits given to homosexual couples and to pay for the social costs resulting from the increase in illegitimacy. We provide financial benefits to married couples because they produce and care for children. Why should homosexual couples get the same benefits as men and women raising children? Moreover, providing financial incentives for homosexual unions would be doubly counterproductive. First, taxpayers would be subsidizing, and thus encouraging destructive behavior. Second, we then would pay for the results of that behavior in the form of increased medical and social costs. Here is another,,, Social security taxes will be increased (or benefits decreased) in order to pay survivor support benefits to homosexual “widows” and “widowers.”,,, Here are more reasons ,,,,., Medical insurance premiums will rise to offset the higher health care costs associated with homosexual behavior (i.e., AIDS, colon cancer, hepatitis and other diseases) which will likely increase if we approve same-sex marriage. Medical premiums would rise further if insurance companies are mandated to cover fertility treatments for lesbian couples (there’s sure to be some judge somewhere to order that!). I can go on and on with this,,,,, Employee benefits will be reduced as employers are mandated to spread their limited benefit dollars to include homosexual partners. Limited benefit dollars given to homosexuals must come from somewhere; indeed, they are taken away from everyone else—married couples raising children,,, Its a life style and a choice,,
Millions of gays & lesbians are currently raising kids.

Marriage isn't denied to heteros who don't have kids.

If it's about the cost, then stop giving benefits to heteros with kids. You'll save a lot more that way.

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#48 Feb 25, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Millions of gays & lesbians are currently raising kids.
Marriage isn't denied to heteros who don't have kids.
If it's about the cost, then stop giving benefits to heteros with kids. You'll save a lot more that way.
Putting children in a abnormal environment {same sex} should be illegal,,, What choices you make as a adult is your business but to bring a child into it just so you want to justify your life style is wrong,,,
Willas

United States

#49 Feb 25, 2011
The GOP is trying to get in the good graces of the Lord Yevha a Jewish soverign GOD.
It will not work America is corupt just like the rest of the world and we will pay the price of our wickedness. The only thing anyone can do is trust in Jesus the king of the Jews and the Gentiles who beleve on him for he is the Lamb of God!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#50 Feb 25, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text> Putting children in a abnormal environment {same sex} should be illegal,,, What choices you make as a adult is your business but to bring a child into it just so you want to justify your life style is wrong,,,
Well too bad. Gays & lesbians have kids and will keep having kids. Nothing you can do about it.

Btw, heteros have kids just to justify their lifestyle all the time.

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#51 Feb 25, 2011
Hetro= Life Homeo= Life style.....
Too Many Hypocrites

Riverside, IL

#52 Feb 25, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text> Putting children in a abnormal environment {same sex} should be illegal,,, What choices you make as a adult is your business but to bring a child into it just so you want to justify your life style is wrong,,,
You mean like the 40% of bastard births and the huge numbers of children living with single parents should be illegal?-- you that kind of abnormal?
Too Many Hypocrites

Riverside, IL

#53 Feb 25, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text>1. Democrat is for Dumbass,,, If you want to be gay its you’re business and I really don’t have a problem with it. Now with that said marriage is for the procreation of children and baring some miracle of science that I have yet to hear about being gay exempts you from doing that. Why should you be able to get married and have access to the same marriage benefits I do? Here is a reason… Income taxes will be increased to make up for the marriage tax benefits given to homosexual couples and to pay for the social costs resulting from the increase in illegitimacy. We provide financial benefits to married couples because they produce and care for children. Why should homosexual couples get the same benefits as men and women raising children? Moreover, providing financial incentives for homosexual unions would be doubly counterproductive. First, taxpayers would be subsidizing, and thus encouraging destructive behavior. Second, we then would pay for the results of that behavior in the form of increased medical and social costs. Here is another,,, Social security taxes will be increased (or benefits decreased) in order to pay survivor support benefits to homosexual “widows” and “widowers.”,,, Here are more reasons ,,,,., Medical insurance premiums will rise to offset the higher health care costs associated with homosexual behavior (i.e., AIDS, colon cancer, hepatitis and other diseases) which will likely increase if we approve same-sex marriage. Medical premiums would rise further if insurance companies are mandated to cover fertility treatments for lesbian couples (there’s sure to be some judge somewhere to order that!). I can go on and on with this,,,,, Employee benefits will be reduced as employers are mandated to spread their limited benefit dollars to include homosexual partners. Limited benefit dollars given to homosexuals must come from somewhere; indeed, they are taken away from everyone else—married couples raising children,,, Its a life style and a choice,,
Nice job of parroting -- do you have one origional thought? Really you better research the crap you copy and paste. take a look at where tax dollars go--- Please explain how all those taxes would go up if both gays are already working and already paying taxes. Do you not think gays don't already work and already have healthcare provied by thier employers -- Not to mention a majority gays do not have children yet thier property taxes go to educate YOUR children-- They are paying for services that are never going to be used by them. Why should they have to pay for your's and other children? Please before you break your copy and paste button try to educate yourself.
cjrian

United States

#54 Feb 25, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Well too bad. Gays & lesbians have kids and will keep having kids. Nothing you can do about it...
Gee, just what we need
Another "Grand Experiment" with kids as the victims

LBJ's expansion of welfare produced Fatherless households
Further expansion of welfare produced kids having kids, and being given apartments of their own

We went from non-unionized teachers in the 60's, when we had the highest graduation rates in the world, and the highest levels of education to unionized teachers and the highest dropout rate, and one of the lowest educational levels in the industrialized world

Kids learn from their parents. They learn what to be, as an adult, from their same gendered parent. They learn what to seek in a mate from the opposite gendered parent. How's that work when "Mom" is Steve or "Dad" is Mary? It doesn't, that's how. And the kids are screwed.

Since: Dec 08

United States

#55 Feb 25, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text> Putting children in a abnormal environment {same sex} should be illegal,,, What choices you make as a adult is your business but to bring a child into it just so you want to justify your life style is wrong,,,
Why? Because you say so? Somehow I just don't think you're a legislator. You're certainly not any good at research, otherwise you would realize that every study that's been done indicates that children raised by same sex parents do as well as and sometimes better than those raised by opposite sex partners.

There are hundreds of thousands of unwanted children being raised in foster homes because of ignorance such as yours and I'll guarantee you've done nothing to help a single one of them.

You are blinded by ignorance and hate. That's a hell of a way to live a life, good luck with the very dark, dark karma that's coming your way.
Too Many Hypocrites

Riverside, IL

#56 Feb 25, 2011
cjrian wrote:
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Gee, just what we need
Another "Grand Experiment" with kids as the victims
LBJ's expansion of welfare produced Fatherless households
Further expansion of welfare produced kids having kids, and being given apartments of their own
We went from non-unionized teachers in the 60's, when we had the highest graduation rates in the world, and the highest levels of education to unionized teachers and the highest dropout rate, and one of the lowest educational levels in the industrialized world
Kids learn from their parents. They learn what to be, as an adult, from their same gendered parent. They learn what to seek in a mate from the opposite gendered parent. How's that work when "Mom" is Steve or "Dad" is Mary? It doesn't, that's how. And the kids are screwed.
Really kids learn sexual orientation from thier parents-- then why are homosexual children almost exclusivly rasied by a heterosexual parents-- what did they "learn" the one kid out of six to be gay? Please do tell because you can't make millions teaching parents how not to teach a kid how to be gay..

BTW what did Dick Cheney teach his daughter to become gay?
cjrian

United States

#57 Feb 25, 2011
Too Many Hypocrites wrote:
Really kids learn sexual orientation from thier parents-- then why are homosexual children almost exclusivly rasied by a heterosexual parents-- what did they "learn" the one kid out of six to be gay? Please do tell because you can't make millions teaching parents how not to teach a kid how to be gay..
BTW what did Dick Cheney teach his daughter to become gay?
Why do kids from good homes go to prison?
No system is perfect

But flawed systems are still flawed from the get go

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#58 Feb 25, 2011
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, just what we need
Another "Grand Experiment" with kids as the victims
LBJ's expansion of welfare produced Fatherless households
Further expansion of welfare produced kids having kids, and being given apartments of their own
We went from non-unionized teachers in the 60's, when we had the highest graduation rates in the world, and the highest levels of education to unionized teachers and the highest dropout rate, and one of the lowest educational levels in the industrialized world
Kids learn from their parents. They learn what to be, as an adult, from their same gendered parent. They learn what to seek in a mate from the opposite gendered parent. How's that work when "Mom" is Steve or "Dad" is Mary? It doesn't, that's how. And the kids are screwed.
You don't happen to have any evidence to support your views do you?

As to gay parents raising gay kids - you do realize the simple flaw in your argument is that nearly all gay/lesbian child over the age of 35 was raised by heterosexual parents?!!

We're homosexual because heterosexuals breed us that way, not because we're taught by example (and just how many gay positive examples existed before 1969 - or still?!!)

Eric
wont say

Nanuet, NY

#59 Feb 25, 2011
Homosexuals make terrible parents and terrible couples they are very ignorant to believe they are normal. Hell no never gay marriage enjoy your civil unions. Marriage is recognized both religiously and secularly gay marriage on the other hand isn't. Gays want to pretend religion doesn't exist because it only verifies how unnatural and sinful their union is. gays are absolutely disgusting.

“RAINBOW POWER!”

Since: Oct 08

I Am What I Am.

#60 Feb 25, 2011
Bring it on! Let the American people see the "conservatives" for what they really are: The Lunatic Fringe.

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