Gay Marriage Vs. the First Amendment

Gay Marriage Vs. the First Amendment

There are 404 comments on the WJKX-FM Hattiesburg story from Aug 22, 2014, titled Gay Marriage Vs. the First Amendment. In it, WJKX-FM Hattiesburg reports that:

As is only to be expected, a fresh wave of controversy is swirling around a court's imposition of massive fines on two New York farmers who don't want a gay couple to get married on their property.

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O yea

Christiansburg, VA

#432 Sep 12, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. We have one in prison here, he strangled his wife and got a life sentence. Now wants the state to pay for his sex change surgery. His name is Robert Kosilek, he changed it to Michelle Kosilek. Capital punishment for murder would have solved this problem.
That's exactly right that's where my taxes go

Since: Aug 14

Wadesboro, NC

#433 Jan 1, 2015
This thread has gotten totally off-topic as it is about same-sex marriage based on the constitution.

For the people who are saying that the judicial body has no right to interfere, you are quite wrong. Our government, and our justice system are set up checks and balances. Executive= The president of United States, judicial system = Supreme Court, federal courts, appellate courts, state Supreme Court's etc. etc., and finally The legislative branch which includes the house and senate at the federal level, and the House and Senate's of each states, and that people of the United States which can vote propositions and laws into effect via the power of vote

Just because a law has been an acted by any of the legislative branch – or even by 99.9% of every US citizen in the country does not mean that law has a right to exist. If that law, or laws,are in violation of a state constitution, or the federal Constitution, it can be struck down based on a judge or judges interpretation of those documents. So when people say judges do not have the right to say the American people, or our government have the right to enact any laws state shoes, and that the only way to overturn those laws is by a popular vote, or by popular votes with in the government – those people would be very very wrong. The judicial system is part of checks and balances to keep one arm of the government from going out of control. Hence why same-sex marriage is suddenly legalized in Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, and one other state during late 2014.however, to challenge that courts ruling would mean appeal to the Supreme Court, and so far the Supreme Court has refused to hear this matter – which means those states are paralyzed, and must except same-sex marriage. Granted judges can abuse this power, And when they do that's why we have the executive and legislative branches to balance it out. The legislature can always strike down the same law that the court system struck down, change it, and reenact it and put it into a fact. Hopefully, in such a way that would make it very difficult to stripe down

The executive branch prevents the legislative branch from going out of control with the power of Veto, and the legislative branch can prevent the executive branch of going out of control with a two thirds vote to override a veto...but history has shown getting two thirds vote from each house at the federal level, and even at the state level, is very very difficult unless one party controls both houses by an overwhelming number – either that or both parties agree on overriding a veto.

Lastly we have the executive branch which has the most limited power of them all. The president of United States is very limited in what he can do as an executive order. And most of those executive orders are only temporary and subject to approval by the federal Congress of the United States. However some of the presidents executive powers are not up for scrutiny, but again the judicial and legislative system can put a stop to a president running amok

So in summary all these people whining that the justice system had no right to do what they did with the states on the East Coast – or in any matter regarding this topic – those people are very very wrong I do not understand the justice system and legal system of this country. And the argument that "most of the people in the country want this law enacted" is not a viable argument because 99.9% COM or early even 100%, of the population can put into place a law that violates state and or federal constitutional documents.

Since: Aug 14

Wadesboro, NC

#434 Jan 1, 2015
notice I didn't mention the Bible, Christianity, or any other religion in my above post. This is because our country has a separation of church and state, and also is not supposed to favor one religion over another – meaning our country does not have an official religion

So our government cannot take into consideration whatever the Bible says against homosexuality, or any other religion for that matter because of this. Also, there are many religions that embrace homosexuality and same-sex marriage. Our government does not have the right to pick which ever religion they choose to base law upon, Or decisions or how they run the government based on a certain religion. They must either deny all religions access to the legislative system, or they must give all.

Not to get off subject, but this is why prayer in school has failed. Why?christians – meaning Catholics and Protestants wanted prayer in school because they felt their children should be able to pray whatever they wanted. At first this was strongly contested by either atheist, agnostic's, or other religions. Then they got smart anddecided to back off and let the laws passed in certain places. Because of our country's laws – on the constitutional law the laws could not favor Christianity. Where these laws were passed allowed all religions to have prayer in school. So the first people to start in after the Christians were Jewish and Islamic, and that may Christian start to complain that they didn't want their children exposed to those type of religions and doctrine. Then the people who worships Satan – and I mean actual Satanists started allowing their children to bring literature in and pray in school. Christians then rose up and fought to have that long removed, and so it has been removed in every state and county in the country that I know of

The same logic can be applied to these people who don't want to bake cakes for gay people or judges who refused to marry same-sex couples. It would be against the Constitution to force a minister or priest – an ordained minister or priest to perform a same-sex union because of thiswould directly violate their freedom to practice religion. However judges are employees of the government and are sworn to uphold the government and the governments laws and policies – not the religions. So being forced to marry same-sex couples is not a violation of their freedom to practice religion because they are freeto practice Their religion. They can go to their place of worship, and they can pray at home, and they can pray in public. When you own a business, you were also subjected to certain governmental laws regarding discrimination. If a bakery refused to bake cakes for black people, We would see a whole different type of outrage. And the bakery could not claim that their freedom to practice the religion was being damaged. But that's just Christianity. What would happened if a religion out there didn't discriminate against black people, guess what would be happening? They would be forced to bake cakes for black people or have their business license terminated. It's the same for gay people, when you run a public business your personal religious viewpoints can not come in to play

Businesses which to discriminate against same-sex couples, there is a very easy way around the law. This is how women only Health clubs exist, male only clubs exist, and white and black male or female clubs exist. A business owner must cease doing business with the public at large, and charge a membership fee for their business. Even if it's one dollar a month. Then they can discriminate against whom ever they choose. But the downside is, Anyone who is not a member cannot engage in business practices with this business as customers. Such businesses would quickly fail as word would get out and people would boycott that business.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#435 Jan 20, 2015
dduttonnc wrote:
notice I didn't mention the Bible, Christianity, or any other religion in my above post. This is because our country has a separation of church and state, and also is not supposed to favor one religion over another – meaning our country does not have an official religion
So our government cannot take into consideration whatever the Bible says against homosexuality, or any other religion for that matter because of this. Also, there are many religions that embrace homosexuality and same-sex marriage. Our government does not have the right to pick which ever religion they choose to base law upon, Or decisions or how they run the government based on a certain religion. They must either deny all religions access to the legislative system, or they must give all.
Not to get off subject, but ...(edited due to Topix space restriction)
I want to thank the Florida group that decided to waste so many tax dollars trying to convince everyone that refusing to allow religious freedom is the same as being refused a place on the bus, being told where you can and CAN'T live, or being allowed to marry outside your race.

Thanks for cutting bus service for the rest of us Pam.

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