Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 34552 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21727 Oct 29, 2013
Sexual activity can be classified in a number of ways. It can be divided into acts which involve one person, such as masturbation, or two or more people such as vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex or mutual masturbation. If there are more than two participants in the sex act, it may be referred to as group sex. Autoerotic sexual activity can involve use of dildos, vibrators, anal beads, and other sex toys, though these devices can also be used with a partner.

Sexual activity can be classified into the gender and sexual orientation of the participants, as well as by the relationship of the participants. For example, the relationships can be ones of marriage, intimate partners, casual sex partners or anonymous. Sexual activity can be regarded as conventional or as alternative, involving, for example, fetishism, urolagnia, and/or BDSM activities.[1][2] Fetishism can take many forms ranging from the desire for certain body parts, for example large breasts, armpits or foot worship. The object of desire can often be shoes, boots, lingerie, clothing, leather or rubber items.

Sexual activity can also be consensual or under force or duress, or lawful/illegal or otherwise contrary to social norms or generally accepted sexual morals. Some non-conventional autoerotic practices can be dangerous. These include erotic asphyxiation and self-bondage. The potential for injury or even death that exists while engaging in the partnered versions of these fetishes (choking and bondage, respectively) becomes drastically increased in the autoerotic case due to the isolation and lack of assistance in the event of a problem.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21728 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I don't like it when children pay the price for depravity.
Matthew 18:10 (GW)“Be careful not to despise these little ones. I can guarantee that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.
these little ones = gay people

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21729 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I don't like it when children pay the price for depravity.
Matthew 18:10 (GW)“Be careful not to despise these little ones. I can guarantee that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.
QUESTION: Can the verse that KiMare posted be contradicted by other bible verses?

ANSWER: Yes!

Punishment of children is one thing; child abuse is another. And, unfortunately, many biblical verses can be easily used to justify the former by means of the latter:
Prov. 23:13-14 ("Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell"),
Prov. 22:15 RSV ("Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him"),
Prov. 20:30 RSV ("Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts"),
Prov. 13:24 RSV ("He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him"),
Prov. 19:19 ("Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying"),
Prov. 29:15 ("Thy rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother"),
Prov. 26:3 ("A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back <children are often foolish>"), and
Deut. 21:18-21 ("If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city...and they shall say to the elders of his city,'This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from the midst").

And, then, there are those verses which demean and degrade children by looking upon them as little more than beings to be punished for the misdeeds of others:
Ex. 20:5 ("I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"),
Lev. 26:22 ("I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children...."),
Hosea 13:16 ("Samaria shall become desolate: for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up"), and
Isa. 13:16-18 ("Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.... Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the first of the womb; their eyes will not pity children").

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21730 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>No rev, I don't like it when children pay the price for depravity.
Unless they are gay children and it is your depravity they are paying the price for. Then you love it.

Your moral bankruptcy prevents you from seeing your depravity KiMare. In the eyes of God you are an abomination.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21731 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the one flinching, and you should be.
pot/kettle

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21732 Oct 29, 2013
GODS VERSION: Deut. 21:18-21 ("If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city...and they shall say to the elders of his city,'This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from the midst").

KiMares version: Deut. 21:18-21 If a man has a homosexual son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the homophobic elders of his city...and they shall say to the elders of his city,'This our gay son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice to stop being gay; he loves anal and oral sex. Then all the homophobes of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the homosexuality from ....

Christian family values; kill your gay children.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21733 Oct 29, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, you provided no documentation to counter my post.
That is easy to explain, he doesn't have any because none exists. KiMare is a failure at being a human being, his depravity prevents him from living a real life with consideration for his fellow human beings.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21734 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You left the Catholic Church because you disagreed.
I left you and your documentation because of common sense.
I see, your personal reading, your personal interpretation against 2000 years of biblical scholarship.

Ok, I get it.

Stop reading my posts. They are not for your benefit.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21735 Oct 29, 2013
QUESTION: Should KiMare be arrested and put into jail for obeying his Bible when he beats his children to the point that they are wounded because he believes that beating his children will make them clean up in their butt hole?

ANSWER: Prov. 20:30 RSV ("Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts"),

Humm, the innermost parts, are we talking about anal sex again?

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21736 Oct 29, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Pastor Greg, there are ANY number of things that two men can do other than anal sex. And, frankly, sex isn't even required to be married. But if you need some ideas, simply Google gay porn (as if you haven't already).
Our marriage is NOT based on sex, it's based on our commitment to each other. Was your entire marriage based solely on vaginal sex and nothing more?
When you performed Holy Matrimony services, did you require that the couple only engage in sex practices that were pleasing to you?
What do you want to bet Greg's computer is full of gay porn? Especially anal sex.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#21737 Oct 29, 2013
ginger wrote:
How come all of these people who use the Bible to oppose gays ignore Gawd telling Adam and Eve that they could use drugs like pot and heroin and thne last Pslam which says one should cut up children and eat them? Btw the Bible is against football cause it says not to touch a pigskin and you are ok to to drive your chariot as fast as you can through the city. As for gay marriage Genesis does not tell use who Eve's daughter-in-law was and further has only men listed begatting people. How did Eve have grandkids?
It helps when you can paste the relevant verse because Christians expect us to take them at their word but refuse to take us at our word.

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat" (Lev. 26:29) and

"I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend...." (Jer. 19:9) and

"I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine" (Isa. 49:26 RSV) and

"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you, and sons shall eat their fathers...." (Ezek. 5:10).

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21738 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Your pompous pontificating does nothing to change this fact:
You excuse a perversion to desecrate marriage and compound the sacrilege by promoting the deprivation of a parent to a child.
You are not receiving a child as Jesus would, you are sacrificing a child on the alter of deception.
God have mercy on your soul.
"Perversion, the erotic form of hatred,* is a fantasy, usually acted out but occasionally restricted to a daydream (either self-produced or packaged by others--that is, pornography). It is a habitual, preferred aberration necessary for one's full satisfaction, primarily motivated by hostility. By hostility I mean a state in which one wishes to harm an object; that differtiates it from aggression, which often implies only forcefulness. The hostility in perversion takes form in a fantasy of revenge hidden in the actions that make up the perversion and serves to convert childhood trauma to adult triumph. To create the greatest excitement, teh perversion must also portray itself as anact of risk taking.(Stoller 1975, 1985a)"

"In other words, sin. That is, the excitement comes from the awareness--conscious or unconscious--that one is harming, needs to harm, wants to harm. More precisely, the harm done is an act of humiliating in revenge for on'es having been humiliated."

"*I now feel that hatred is not quite the right word here. Though the consciouis experience may be hatred (e.g., rape), it usually is not (e.g., in exhibitionism, fetishism). The unconsciouis affect nenetheless is, I think, hatred or rage."

Perversions and Near Perversions in Clinical Practice, Gerald I. Fogel, M.D., Wayne A. Myers, M.D., p. 37.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21739 Oct 29, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!... It's quite alright. I don't mind.
Autumnglow,
You've got a lot to learn. But, I am not the one to do the teaching for you.
You have to learn this on your own. I don't regard your ignorance of the Bible to be a sad fact. I regard it as an opportunity for you to learn. Personally, I don't take the Bible literally.
Instead, I regard it as a rich tapestry of human experience and the story of the Hebrews and Jewish conversation with Being. The accounts of the Ministry of Jesus Christ are, at the very least, the account of an innocent man and his work of helping others to understand the human struggle with the inequities of living experience and traditional authority.
As such, His words and Teachings are pertinent to you, personally.
You may learn about human sexuality on your own. But, your understanding in its present form is full of mistaken ideas.
Rev. Ken
Thanks Rev. Ken, you always say it better.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21740 Oct 29, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Sexual activity can be classified in a number of ways. It can be divided into acts which involve one person, such as masturbation, or two or more people such as vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex or mutual masturbation. If there are more than two participants in the sex act, it may be referred to as group sex. Autoerotic sexual activity can involve use of dildos, vibrators, anal beads, and other sex toys, though these devices can also be used with a partner.
Sexual activity can be classified into the gender and sexual orientation of the participants, as well as by the relationship of the participants. For example, the relationships can be ones of marriage, intimate partners, casual sex partners or anonymous. Sexual activity can be regarded as conventional or as alternative, involving, for example, fetishism, urolagnia, and/or BDSM activities.[1][2] Fetishism can take many forms ranging from the desire for certain body parts, for example large breasts, armpits or foot worship. The object of desire can often be shoes, boots, lingerie, clothing, leather or rubber items.
Sexual activity can also be consensual or under force or duress, or lawful/illegal or otherwise contrary to social norms or generally accepted sexual morals. Some non-conventional autoerotic practices can be dangerous. These include erotic asphyxiation and self-bondage. The potential for injury or even death that exists while engaging in the partnered versions of these fetishes (choking and bondage, respectively) becomes drastically increased in the autoerotic case due to the isolation and lack of assistance in the event of a problem.


Thanks Rev.
SHADOW

Boerne, TX

#21741 Oct 29, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Repeating another babbler's posts R1?
Oh Baloney! Nothing but the truth and that scares you.
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Clearly irrefutable evidence of a sexual defect and the failure of evolutionary mating behavior.
Your perverted attitude doesn't change the facts un rev.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#21742 Oct 29, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you want to bet Greg's computer is full of gay porn? Especially anal sex.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
SHADOW

Boerne, TX

#21743 Oct 29, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
How's Prop 8 going for you R1?
You sound like you drank some bitter beer. God is not with you bro.
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21744 Oct 29, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.
Laughing, that majority that you are speaking of has flipped.

Prop 8? Do you not remember that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage?

Your g-d, not G-d.

And yes, it was be an abomination considering your psuedo-Christian belief.

Those that believe homosexuality is an abomination is changing too.

Your social club is about to be in the minority.

Personal gods exist all over the world.

Go figure?

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21745 Oct 29, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.
I'd expect nothing less from a Texan.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#21746 Oct 29, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd expect nothing less from a Texan.
Akopen,

Try not to blame his backwardsness on geography.

I know some very fine Texas ladies and courageous, responsible Texas men.

Texas is a big place, with room for a lot of very different people.

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