Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Since: Feb 09

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#21736 Oct 29, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Pastor Greg, there are ANY number of things that two men can do other than anal sex. And, frankly, sex isn't even required to be married. But if you need some ideas, simply Google gay porn (as if you haven't already).
Our marriage is NOT based on sex, it's based on our commitment to each other. Was your entire marriage based solely on vaginal sex and nothing more?
When you performed Holy Matrimony services, did you require that the couple only engage in sex practices that were pleasing to you?
What do you want to bet Greg's computer is full of gay porn? Especially anal sex.

Since: Feb 09

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#21737 Oct 29, 2013
ginger wrote:
How come all of these people who use the Bible to oppose gays ignore Gawd telling Adam and Eve that they could use drugs like pot and heroin and thne last Pslam which says one should cut up children and eat them? Btw the Bible is against football cause it says not to touch a pigskin and you are ok to to drive your chariot as fast as you can through the city. As for gay marriage Genesis does not tell use who Eve's daughter-in-law was and further has only men listed begatting people. How did Eve have grandkids?
It helps when you can paste the relevant verse because Christians expect us to take them at their word but refuse to take us at our word.

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat" (Lev. 26:29) and

"I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend...." (Jer. 19:9) and

"I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine" (Isa. 49:26 RSV) and

"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you, and sons shall eat their fathers...." (Ezek. 5:10).

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21738 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Your pompous pontificating does nothing to change this fact:
You excuse a perversion to desecrate marriage and compound the sacrilege by promoting the deprivation of a parent to a child.
You are not receiving a child as Jesus would, you are sacrificing a child on the alter of deception.
God have mercy on your soul.
"Perversion, the erotic form of hatred,* is a fantasy, usually acted out but occasionally restricted to a daydream (either self-produced or packaged by others--that is, pornography). It is a habitual, preferred aberration necessary for one's full satisfaction, primarily motivated by hostility. By hostility I mean a state in which one wishes to harm an object; that differtiates it from aggression, which often implies only forcefulness. The hostility in perversion takes form in a fantasy of revenge hidden in the actions that make up the perversion and serves to convert childhood trauma to adult triumph. To create the greatest excitement, teh perversion must also portray itself as anact of risk taking.(Stoller 1975, 1985a)"

"In other words, sin. That is, the excitement comes from the awareness--conscious or unconscious--that one is harming, needs to harm, wants to harm. More precisely, the harm done is an act of humiliating in revenge for on'es having been humiliated."

"*I now feel that hatred is not quite the right word here. Though the consciouis experience may be hatred (e.g., rape), it usually is not (e.g., in exhibitionism, fetishism). The unconsciouis affect nenetheless is, I think, hatred or rage."

Perversions and Near Perversions in Clinical Practice, Gerald I. Fogel, M.D., Wayne A. Myers, M.D., p. 37.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21739 Oct 29, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!... It's quite alright. I don't mind.
Autumnglow,
You've got a lot to learn. But, I am not the one to do the teaching for you.
You have to learn this on your own. I don't regard your ignorance of the Bible to be a sad fact. I regard it as an opportunity for you to learn. Personally, I don't take the Bible literally.
Instead, I regard it as a rich tapestry of human experience and the story of the Hebrews and Jewish conversation with Being. The accounts of the Ministry of Jesus Christ are, at the very least, the account of an innocent man and his work of helping others to understand the human struggle with the inequities of living experience and traditional authority.
As such, His words and Teachings are pertinent to you, personally.
You may learn about human sexuality on your own. But, your understanding in its present form is full of mistaken ideas.
Rev. Ken
Thanks Rev. Ken, you always say it better.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21740 Oct 29, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Sexual activity can be classified in a number of ways. It can be divided into acts which involve one person, such as masturbation, or two or more people such as vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex or mutual masturbation. If there are more than two participants in the sex act, it may be referred to as group sex. Autoerotic sexual activity can involve use of dildos, vibrators, anal beads, and other sex toys, though these devices can also be used with a partner.
Sexual activity can be classified into the gender and sexual orientation of the participants, as well as by the relationship of the participants. For example, the relationships can be ones of marriage, intimate partners, casual sex partners or anonymous. Sexual activity can be regarded as conventional or as alternative, involving, for example, fetishism, urolagnia, and/or BDSM activities.[1][2] Fetishism can take many forms ranging from the desire for certain body parts, for example large breasts, armpits or foot worship. The object of desire can often be shoes, boots, lingerie, clothing, leather or rubber items.
Sexual activity can also be consensual or under force or duress, or lawful/illegal or otherwise contrary to social norms or generally accepted sexual morals. Some non-conventional autoerotic practices can be dangerous. These include erotic asphyxiation and self-bondage. The potential for injury or even death that exists while engaging in the partnered versions of these fetishes (choking and bondage, respectively) becomes drastically increased in the autoerotic case due to the isolation and lack of assistance in the event of a problem.


Thanks Rev.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#21741 Oct 29, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Repeating another babbler's posts R1?
Oh Baloney! Nothing but the truth and that scares you.
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Clearly irrefutable evidence of a sexual defect and the failure of evolutionary mating behavior.
Your perverted attitude doesn't change the facts un rev.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#21742 Oct 29, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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What do you want to bet Greg's computer is full of gay porn? Especially anal sex.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#21743 Oct 29, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
How's Prop 8 going for you R1?
You sound like you drank some bitter beer. God is not with you bro.
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21744 Oct 29, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.
Laughing, that majority that you are speaking of has flipped.

Prop 8? Do you not remember that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage?

Your g-d, not G-d.

And yes, it was be an abomination considering your psuedo-Christian belief.

Those that believe homosexuality is an abomination is changing too.

Your social club is about to be in the minority.

Personal gods exist all over the world.

Go figure?

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21745 Oct 29, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You sir or lady are an abomination to my G-d.
Since Prop 8 was undermined by a queer judge you must be proud.
Even the liberals in California don't approve of your chosen perverted lifestyle.
Like I said the majority of people in America dis-approve of what you are.
I'd expect nothing less from a Texan.

Since: Aug 09

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#21746 Oct 29, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd expect nothing less from a Texan.
Akopen,

Try not to blame his backwardsness on geography.

I know some very fine Texas ladies and courageous, responsible Texas men.

Texas is a big place, with room for a lot of very different people.

Since: Jun 07

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#21747 Oct 29, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Akopen,
Try not to blame his backwardsness on geography.
I know some very fine Texas ladies and courageous, responsible Texas men.
Texas is a big place, with room for a lot of very different people.
YEAH! Don't mess with TEXAS but you can mess with the SHADOW ALL NIGHT LONG!

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21748 Oct 29, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Akopen,
Try not to blame his backwardsness on geography.
I know some very fine Texas ladies and courageous, responsible Texas men.
Texas is a big place, with room for a lot of very different people.
You are right Rev. Ken. I'd been more accurate to address the political scene of Texas. Even then your insight is still correct. Thanks for correcting me.

Since: Aug 09

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#21749 Oct 29, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>YEAH! Don't mess with TEXAS but you can mess with the SHADOW ALL NIGHT LONG!
LOL!!!... Yeah. All you have to do is shine some Light on it.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#21750 Oct 29, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. I'm not the monster mutation who denigrates LGBT unions because he wants to own the word "marriage".
Frankly, I don't know how a former pastor can butcher basic vocabulary words from the church vocabulary list.
We are talking about how desperate you are, and you make the charge I want to 'own' the word marriage???

Do you understand how childish that is?

During the day, I type on an iphone, on the run. I do make mistakes fairly regularly when doing so.

I find when anyone makes an issue of misspelling, especially when it is rare, they are making a personal attack.

Like I said, you are desperate.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#21751 Oct 29, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You left the Catholic Church because you disagreed.
I left you and your documentation because of common sense.
akopen wrote:
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I see, your personal reading, your personal interpretation against 2000 years of biblical scholarship.
Ok, I get it.
Stop reading my posts. They are not for your benefit.
Who said I am against 2000 years of biblical scholarship. I'm simply using common sense by putting an explanation about a passage up against the passage and using common sense.

You and the rev keep getting your ass kicked by a near senile old jack ass when that happens. I can understand why you keep getting pissy about it.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#21752 Oct 29, 2013
akopen wrote:
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"Perversion, the erotic form of hatred,* is a fantasy, usually acted out but occasionally restricted to a daydream (either self-produced or packaged by others--that is, pornography). It is a habitual, preferred aberration necessary for one's full satisfaction, primarily motivated by hostility. By hostility I mean a state in which one wishes to harm an object; that differtiates it from aggression, which often implies only forcefulness. The hostility in perversion takes form in a fantasy of revenge hidden in the actions that make up the perversion and serves to convert childhood trauma to adult triumph. To create the greatest excitement, teh perversion must also portray itself as anact of risk taking.(Stoller 1975, 1985a)"
"In other words, sin. That is, the excitement comes from the awareness--conscious or unconscious--that one is harming, needs to harm, wants to harm. More precisely, the harm done is an act of humiliating in revenge for on'es having been humiliated."
"*I now feel that hatred is not quite the right word here. Though the consciouis experience may be hatred (e.g., rape), it usually is not (e.g., in exhibitionism, fetishism). The unconsciouis affect nenetheless is, I think, hatred or rage."
Perversions and Near Perversions in Clinical Practice, Gerald I. Fogel, M.D., Wayne A. Myers, M.D., p. 37.
perversion (p&#601;&#712;v&#6 04;&#720;&#643;&#6 01;n)

— n
1. any abnormal means of obtaining sexual satisfaction
2. the act of perverting or the state of being perverted
3. a perverted form or usage

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perversion
late 14c., "action of turning aside from truth, corruption, distortion" (originally of religious beliefs), from pervert (v.). Psychological sense of "disorder of sexual behavior in which satisfaction is sought through channels other than those of normal heterosexual intercourse"

Since: Aug 11

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#21753 Oct 29, 2013
Autumnglow wrote:
Rev. Ken, didn't mean to get you all worked up like that.
I don't know a lot about the Bible, and that's a sad fact. But I know that there's no such thing as being "naturally homosexual" in my humble opinion. Being straight is natural, everything else is a "variety" at best.Did you hint at the child's sexuality, as well? That's sick, when is a child going to show it's sexual orientation before entering puberty?
And it clearly backs up my suspicion that gay couples would manipulate the child to grow up to become gay, too.
It's certainly no coincidence that gays a l w a y s choose boys if they happen to manage to get their hands on a child. Why not a girl? Unpleasant explanations are coming into my mind, think of changing the diapers. Can't they stand being confronted with the undesirable gender or what? Same with lesbians, somehow they always choose girls.It's also interesting how highly you rate the number of homo- and bisexual people being in a heterosexual relationship: Wishful thinking on your part? It's certainly an exception and not the rule that a gay or a lesbian pretends not to be: Admitting you're gay isn't such a great risk any more.
IOWs you are ignorant.

Your suspicion is false. Kids grow up to be mostly heterosexual at the same rate as the total population.

Gays raise both boys and girls.

Since: Aug 11

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#21754 Oct 29, 2013
akopen wrote:
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Laughing, that majority that you are speaking of has flipped.
Prop 8? Do you not remember that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage?
Your g-d, not G-d.
And yes, it was be an abomination considering your psuedo-Christian belief.
Those that believe homosexuality is an abomination is changing too.
Your social club is about to be in the minority.
Personal gods exist all over the world.
Go figure?
R1 is a sore loser. He spent a good deal of time in California promoting prop 8.
real question

Bascharage, Luxembourg

#21755 Oct 29, 2013
am i gay???:-))) i like putting a plastic tube (size: from dick to nose) on my pulled back dick and enjoy my own fish perfume streaming out the tube directly inside my nose. mmmmmmhhhhh or put the tube right on my pooperhole and smell my hole. get excited on that but i also love sniffing girls pissed panties… so what am i ?

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