Homosexuality and the Bible

Aug 15, 2011 | Posted by: Selecia Jones- JAX FL | Full story: www.smh.com.au

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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The sin of Sodom sure looks like 'gay''compassion'...
And that's what everyone thinks...
For hundreds of years...
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The sin of Sodom, according to Ezekiel, is failure to look after those in need.

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52 years ago I believed in what was taught me. Why not? The people in my life I trusted. Parents-grandparents-neighbors . As I grew and become more experienced with life issues and began yo question more looking for answers, the less the bible made sense. Nothing in it matched anything I went through nor matched happenings in life of those around me. Took what I know,see,listen to the life of other people and compared to what the bible tells of creation became less plausable. Previous years of praying for answers-help went unanswered. If there id a god,he sure stays hidden and silent and no interest in interactive with his children. Like an absentee parent. Abandoned.
It seems to me a LOT of people disagree with you about God and the Bible.

Just a thought, maybe you are the problem?

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ok this is going to start an argument but what i dont get is why a sane person could listen and believe every word a BOOK tells them there is no proof for or against gods exsistance so why do you follow ALL of his words you can follow sone of hus morals which most people of today fo follow but to believe homosexuality is the same as rape and adultary is dispicable love is love and no one can DECIDE who they love and you cant prove they have decided, justas we cant prove gid therefore why be imoral to human being when the god your preaching too MAY not exsist why say someone is wrong to love someone when you have ni hard evidence to prove him just as i cant prove he doesnt exsist thats why im kind and nice tiwards all who have moral views
Exodus 33:18-23 (NASB)
18 Then Moses said, "I pray You, show me Your glory!"
19 And He said, "I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion."
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"
21 Then the LORD said, "Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock;
22 and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
23 "Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."

Note;
-Seeing God was a life-threatening danger.
-God used three forms of protection for the radiation;
Behind a rock
Shielded with His hand
Only allowed a partial view (back)

Exodus 34:29-35 (NASB)
29 It came about when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him.
30 So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
31 Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them.
32 Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the LORD had spoken to him on Mount Sinai.
33 When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded,
35 the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone. So Moses would replace the veil over his face until he went in to speak with Him.

Note; The effect of radiation.

Please explain how a accurate description of radiation's danger, affect and protection appeared in a story about a Alien visiting humans in a fiction book written by numerous authors, distorted by time and translation occurred.

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Ewan,
Your point of view is reasonable ... and moral.
Jesus is recorded in the bible as having told a parable about a Samaritan. This man encountered a person along the side of the road who was injured and had been beaten and robbed on the Sabbath.
Others, including a Jewish Cleric, had passed by the injured man without offerring help. The Samaritan helped the man, put him up at an Inn and paid the innkeeper to nurse him back to health.
The parable is interesting because the belief among Jews at the time was that only the Jews were to receive the benefit of Salvation through the Covenant of God with the Jews. The Jewish Cleric, behaving according to the Jewish Law for behavior on the Sabbath, refused to offer assistance.
Jesus posed the question as to whether the Samaritan would be seen by God as righteous, deserving of God's Grace and promise of Salvation, even though he had acted to help the man, which help was against the Letter of the Law.
Like you wrote, "... Love is love."
Rev. Ken
There is also the incident, not parable, of Jesus meeting the Samaritan woman at the well. He bluntly corrected every deceitful, ignorant denial she made.

Speaking the truth in love.

By the way 'rev', the good Samaritan did not violate the letter of the Law, he fulfilled the letter of the Law in spirit and in truth.

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Our bodies are all the same material. Just a matter of arrangement of that material. If it's the spirit/soul that god is interested in than this material arrangement of molecules not important. Therefore who we have physical sex with does'nt matter. Also the fact human life is short, the existance we have here, not worthy of eternal damnation with what humans do in this alotted time.
Are you sure?

Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.

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The sin of Sodom, according to Ezekiel, is failure to look after those in need.
I didn't say it wasn't. I just noted that that failure looked like a herd of gays looking after their own 'needs'.

Right?

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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
I guess you did'nt bother rrading my other post. I said I use to totally believe in what those in my life taught me. Prayed for 50years. I'd call that showing interest. All that prayer fell on deaf ears. Not one thing answered. See,a person can persaude themselves into belief. Seems that's what you done to yourself. Keep telling yourself untruths long enough you end up believing in untruths. I know because I believed. When certain situations arose,would pray with such intensity, find nothing resulted over years of praying. Began to pray of why no answer. Then stopped altogether. Began to look at religion objectively and came to conclusions I post. I know 3 people trying to convince me prayer works. Said paryers with them and went to church with them. Just 2 weeks ago this was. Guess what? Nothing happened. Still no prayer answered. I prayed outloud with them the last 5 months. No results as they PROMISED would happen. Because they have their noses so deep into religion that anything happening is "gods will" and can't see reality. Same results as the past 50 years.
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A rather limited view of yourself and others, Vic.
I think my views are limitless. I take into consideration the entire universe,what it consists of. I believe in other dimensions. I believe in infinite combinations. I believe in many possibilities. However without substantial evidence,all are "maybes" of existance. I watch anything that has been explored and of theory. Being open to science and spiritual till a conclusion. I speak of what IS known. One being matter of this world. Even in the bible it is written that we are made of the dust of the earth. So we all are made of the same material. And we return to the earth from which we came. That's in the bible. But you label me limited. Just me qouting the bible. That is what's limiting. You just want to place blame elswhere.
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It seems to me a LOT of people disagree with you about God and the Bible.
Just a thought, maybe you are the problem?
Smile.
Here's your problem, Genius:
Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

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Exodus 33:18-23 (NASB)
18 Then Moses said, "I pray You, show me Your glory!"
19 And He said, "I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion."
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"
21 Then the LORD said, "Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock;
22 and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
23 "Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."
Note;
-Seeing God was a life-threatening danger.
-God used three forms of protection for the radiation;
Behind a rock
Shielded with His hand
Only allowed a partial view (back)
Exodus 34:29-35 (NASB)
29 It came about when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him.
30 So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
31 Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them.
32 Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the LORD had spoken to him on Mount Sinai.
33 When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded,
35 the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone. So Moses would replace the veil over his face until he went in to speak with Him.
Note; The effect of radiation.
Please explain how a accurate description of radiation's danger, affect and protection appeared in a story about a Alien visiting humans in a fiction book written by numerous authors, distorted by time and translation occurred.
Smile.
Note: you haven't yet proven a single point, Genius:

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

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There is also the incident, not parable, of Jesus meeting the Samaritan woman at the well. He bluntly corrected every deceitful, ignorant denial she made.
Speaking the truth in love.
By the way 'rev', the good Samaritan did not violate the letter of the Law, he fulfilled the letter of the Law in spirit and in truth.
Smile.
Have you bluntly corrected every deceitful, ignorant claim you've made, Genius?

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

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It seems to me a LOT of people disagree with you about God and the Bible.
Just a thought, maybe you are the problem?
Smile.
It seems to me that EVERYONE disagrees with your concept of god and the bible. You are the problem, Genius.

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

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I didn't say it wasn't. I just noted that that failure looked like a herd of gays looking after their own 'needs'.
Right?
Smirk.
The only failure is your inability to prove even one of your claims, Genius:

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

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<quoted text>I think my views are limitless. I take into consideration the entire universe,what it consists of. I believe in other dimensions. I believe in infinite combinations. I believe in many possibilities. However without substantial evidence,all are "maybes" of existance. I watch anything that has been explored and of theory. Being open to science and spiritual till a conclusion. I speak of what IS known. One being matter of this world. Even in the bible it is written that we are made of the dust of the earth. So we all are made of the same material. And we return to the earth from which we came. That's in the bible. But you label me limited. Just me qouting the bible. That is what's limiting. You just want to place blame elswhere.
Not placing blame, Vic.

But, there are some others posting here who will try to place blame.

I'll go with Snyper's comment.

It helps that you have further described your views.

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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
It would make perfect sense for you to prove any one of your claims, Genius. But you haven't yet.

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

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I didn't say it wasn't. I just noted that that failure looked like a herd of gays looking after their own 'needs'.
Right?
Smirk.
Sorry. I disagree. SMILE

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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> I guess you did'nt bother rrading my other post. I said I use to totally believe in what those in my life taught me. Prayed for 50years. I'd call that showing interest. All that prayer fell on deaf ears. Not one thing answered. See,a person can persaude themselves into belief. Seems that's what you done to yourself. Keep telling yourself untruths long enough you end up believing in untruths. I know because I believed. When certain situations arose,would pray with such intensity, find nothing resulted over years of praying. Began to pray of why no answer. Then stopped altogether. Began to look at religion objectively and came to conclusions I post. I know 3 people trying to convince me prayer works. Said paryers with them and went to church with them. Just 2 weeks ago this was. Guess what? Nothing happened. Still no prayer answered. I prayed outloud with them the last 5 months. No results as they PROMISED would happen. Because they have their noses so deep into religion that anything happening is "gods will" and can't see reality. Same results as the past 50 years.
Sorry Vick, but I did read your previous post. I can't explain why not one of your prayers were answered. I can only testify of my own experience. However, I don't demand that God obey my beck and calling either.

Moreover, most believers I know don't believe because God answers their prayers. They operate from the assumption that they are there for God, not God there to be their own personal magic genie.

It is also quite a presumption that anyone who disagrees with you "has their nose so deep into religion that they... can't see reality."

But none of this applies to the response I gave to your assertion about eternity and your choice.

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Sorry. I disagree. SMILE
Of course.

I didn't expect anything more, and there can't be anything less.

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Of course.
I didn't expect anything more, and there can't be anything less.
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You said parents don't want defective children.
Does that mean your parents didn't want you?
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KiMare wrote:
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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
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Sorry Vick, but I did read your previous post. I can't explain why not one of your prayers were answered. I can only testify of my own experience. However, I don't demand that God obey my beck and calling either.
Moreover, most believers I know don't believe because God answers their prayers. They operate from the assumption that they are there for God, not God there to be their own personal magic genie.
It is also quite a presumption that anyone who disagrees with you "has their nose so deep into religion that they... can't see reality."
But none of this applies to the response I gave to your assertion about eternity and your choice.
Smile.
Now you're assuming. Placing words I never said. I don't expect god to be a personal genie. I just went by what I'm told. That prayers are answered if for gods-your own-others benefit. I lived long enough to know that life has many agreements/disagreements and never expect others to agree. I state an observation. Whatever thr occupation a person has,easy to "bury'oneself deep enough to loose objectivity. Hence-"noses deep into religion". And out supposedly free will should be just that. Up to each of us to decide. When these 2 guys promised I would get answers as they have, I reminded them I had very strong incentives for just having some questions answered. Got nothing ad I prayed with them and they prayed I'd get the answers I seek. Still nothing. All the people I trusted-parents-relatives-frie nds for many years I kept trying. HELLO GOD!!! Been seeking you,praying to you,others praying on my behalf had sincerity in searching for you. Nothing. I will not mislead anyone into false hope. Believe all you and anyone wants to. I'm fine with and respect anyones belief. I do the same. I refuse to lead people to what I find as "unproven".Just tell them "maybe" on religion.

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