Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36047 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

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#13443 Nov 24, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!....
Why do you ask her?
When asked to state what YOU believe, you feign injury and trespass. Then you reply with venomous disdain that your beliefs are no one's business but your own!
You, Mr. Blue-Bottle-Fly MMM, are a cynic and a hypocrite, as demonstrated by your own acts.
Rev. Ken
It's reported.

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#13444 Nov 24, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!....
Why do you ask her?
When asked to state what YOU believe, you feign injury and trespass. Then you reply with venomous disdain that your beliefs are no one's business but your own!
You, Mr. Blue-Bottle-Fly MMM, are a cynic and a hypocrite, as demonstrated by your own acts.
Rev. Ken
Not for RevKen:

Again he seems to be full of shit, breaking boundaries, calling me a lot of negative things.

He probably has problems that he doesn't want to work with. Instead he wants to throw it on me? Aggression towards me.

I choose to not receive it. I choose to not receive his shit. I only observe him.

Lord Yeshua, help him. I put in your hands.

Thanks

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#13445 Nov 24, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!....
Why do you ask her?
When asked to state what YOU believe, you feign injury and trespass. Then you reply with venomous disdain that your beliefs are no one's business but your own!
You, Mr. Blue-Bottle-Fly MMM, are a cynic and a hypocrite, as demonstrated by your own acts.
Rev. Ken
Not for RevKen:

What do you say guys? RevKen struggles?

If he doesn't repent he might end up in a terrible place on day, really terrible, so terrible that it might not be easy to imagine now?:)

And there is nothing that can help him? He doesn't want to? He is actually putting himself in that situation, and he doesn't want to repent so there is nothing that can help him then?

Might just pray for him?

Nothing more to do?

I bless him and all others in here.

“It's a bathroom”

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#13446 Nov 24, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for conceding that you can make no rational reply to the irrefutable reality that the Bible in fact condemns all homosexual acts in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
ALL Bible translations, ancient Bible texts, Judeo-Christian tradition, and even other early Christian writings prove this fact.
E

Early Christian writings prove otherwise. They NEVER condemned same-sex love at all. Not once. Never.

“ Woodstock Anyone?”

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#13449 Nov 24, 2012
I have read the bible from cover to cover with additional study. What is used as an excuse by evangelic christians to condemn homosexuals is a huge a stretch, even if you are interpreting it literally which is in itself a mistake.

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#13450 Nov 24, 2012
modernhippie wrote:
I have read the bible from cover to cover with additional study. What is used as an excuse by evangelic christians to condemn homosexuals is a huge a stretch, even if you are interpreting it literally which is in itself a mistake.
So, you know everything just because you have read the Bible from cover to cover?

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#13453 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen:

It's reported of course.

When he attacks me and breaks my boundaries in front of all of you, let's see what he does:
RevKen wrote:
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It is reported! I call it non-specific, off-topic Baloney.
Wonder what he is reporting. If something should be reported, something wrong should be done, right?

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RevKen wrote:
That's funny, MMM! You are so full of it.
Wonder what he thinks is funny, and what he means I am full of.

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RevKen wrote:
In #13441 above you ask why the personal opinion and admonish for not staying on topic.
Then, in response to my upbraiding of you for repeatedly doing the exact same thing - which is to cynically and hypocritically act like a "pot calling the kettle black," you turn right around and express your off-topic, personal opinion about me in 3 straight posts!
LMAO! What a maroon.
Here is into my life, talking negative about me:) but of course I choose not to receive it, just observing him.

If he wants to have contact with me he needs to repent first. If he doesn't we are not in contact. I am only observing him.

I can observe a man with big problems, a man that doesn't respect my boundaries, a man that is full of shit, and he is responsible for his problems and that will bring him to a terrible place, I guess if he doesn't repent?:}

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RevKen wrote:
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Oh, and BTW, MMM, you can take your curses of terrible, terrible, terrible fates as your own karma. I have no need of them. So, here they come boomerang-style, lil' buddy;
marked "Return to Sender."
He tries to tell me what to do. I guess he doesn't succeed very well because we are not in dialogue:) I don't want to talk with him. So he might use a lot of energy to get in contact with me, but actually he needs to repent before we eventually are in dialogue. He needs to follow respectful rules, and if he doesn't want, he has problems?:)
RevKen wrote:
And, thanks anyway.
As for Your blessings and prayers in the name of Christ, they are always welcome.

Okay, again he tries to talk to me, but there is a problem. We are not in dialogue, because he doesn't aproach me respectfully. So all his efforts to get in contact with me are something that he might not succeed very much with until he eventually repents?:)

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[QUOTE who="RevKen"]
Now, if you really want to discuss and present your opinions regarding the thread topic, Homosexuality and the Bible and the author's struggles and difficulties with the Bible, you are certainly welcome to do so, here.
Otherwise, buzz off.
Love Ya', MMM Fly,
Rev. Ken
Again he tries to talk to me and influence me and tell me what to do and control me.

Wonder what happens to him when he doesn't manage what he tries to.

Father in Heaven, I pray for RevKen, I put in your Hands, I leave him to you and I want your will with him to happen, and I bless him in the Name of Jesus and all other people in here.

May all people on the earth be blessed in your Name.

Amen

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#13454 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen:

I try once more:
'
It's reported of course.

When he attacks me and breaks my boundaries in front of all of you, let's see what he does:
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
It is reported! I call it non-specific, off-topic Baloney.
Wonder what he is reporting. If something should be reported, something wrong should be done, right?


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RevKen wrote:
That's funny, MMM! You are so full of it.
Wonder what he thinks is funny, and what he means I am full of.

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RevKen wrote:
In #13441 above you ask why the personal opinion and admonish for not staying on topic.
Then, in response to my upbraiding of you for repeatedly doing the exact same thing - which is to cynically and hypocritically act like a "pot calling the kettle black," you turn right around and express your off-topic, personal opinion about me in 3 straight posts!
LMAO! What a maroon.
Here is into my life, talking negative about me:) but I choose not to receive it, just observing him.

If he wants to have contact with me he needs to repent first, I think. If he doesn't, we are not in contact hopefully. I try to observe him.

I can observe a man with problems:), a man that doesn't respect my boundaries, a man that is full of shit, and he is responsible for his problems and that will bring him to a terrible place, I guess; If he doesn't repent?:}

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RevKen wrote:
Oh, and BTW, MMM, you can take your curses of terrible, terrible, terrible fates as your own karma. I have no need of them. So, here they come boomerang-style, lil' buddy;
marked "Return to Sender."
He tries to tell me what to do. I guess he doesn't succeed very well because we are not in dialogue?:) I don't want to talk with him before he eventually repents.

I want to be his friend, but not as long as he doesn't respect me.

So he might use a lot of energy to get in contact with me, but actually he needs to repent before we eventually are in dialogue. He needs to be respectful, and if he doesn't, he has problems?:) He lacks respect?:)

Who has has the problem? He?:) Who is responsible to solve the problem?:) He?:)

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RevKen wrote:
And, thanks anyway.
As for Your blessings and prayers in the name of Christ, they are always welcome.
Okay, again he tries to talk to me, but there is a problem. We are not in dialogue, because he doesn't aproach me respectfully. So all his efforts to get in contact with me might not be very successful?:)

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RevKen wrote:
Now, if you really want to discuss and present your opinions regarding the thread topic, Homosexuality and the Bible and the author's struggles and difficulties with the Bible, you are certainly welcome to do so, here.
Otherwise, buzz off.
Love Ya', MMM Fly,
Rev. Ken
Again he tries to talk to me, influence me, tell me what to do and control me?

Wonder what happens to him when he doesn't manage what he tries to?

Maybe he manages to control me one day? You never know? Maybe I will fail?

I look to the Lord for help.

Father in Heaven, I pray for RevKen, I put him in your Hands, I leave him to You and I want your will with him to happen, and I bless him in the Name of your Son Yeshua and bless all other people in here.

Amen

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#13455 Nov 24, 2012
modernhippie wrote:
I have read the bible from cover to cover with additional study. What is used as an excuse by evangelic christians to condemn homosexuals is a huge a stretch, even if you are interpreting it literally which is in itself a mistake.
You are to be commended, Modernhippie, for at least reading it. Many refuse to read it and will criticize anyway. Many others read it, some for an entire lifetime, forming their bulldogged opinions about what is told within it. Yet, their opinions become developed in a shallow hypocrisy only based upon their personal experiences and the fearful biases they have developed through their associations with others.

Few actually take time to search for the parallels and the differences that exist within themselves that the bible can help them see.

You are right. It is both a stretch and a "fundamental" mistake to take the stories and goings on literally. Some of it is factual and historically correct. Some is myth, allegory and an archetypal expression of the framework of the human subconscious.

All of it is important as a tapestry of one People's, one Tribe's, leading and guiding revelation of monotheism and conversation with the I AM. It unfolds into a message of Communion with God for all mankind.

Keep reading, MH. It is doing both you and me good and in doing so, it is opening doors of understanding for both of us to be able to converse with others across cultural, and social boundaries. Let the Spirit be your guide, taking you beyond superstition and taboo and guiding you into the fullness of enjoyment of Life, Light and Love. Look for ways to master yourself.

That is, discipleship in Christ.

Happy Thanksgiving, MH. You've earned it.

Rev. Ken

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#13457 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen:

It's reported. He broke my boundaries again, poor guy, makes so many mistakes in public. He struggles.

Let's look at him:
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Excusez Moi, MMM!
Post #13442 is the one where you question another for doing what you nearly always do. But, you go a fair step further.
You actually try to enjoin the help of others here in hurling curses at people who hold you accountable for your Topix misbehavior.
Here he tries to speak to me, but I think it is right of me not to listen to him because I don't invite him into my life?

He talks a lot about me. Wonder what he is up for? Wonder what his mission is? To change me? To influence me? Make me angry? How can it help him if he manages that if that is his mission? I am only guessing. I don't know what his mission is.

Maybe I will fail one day and let him succeed in his mission. Help me Lord.

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RevKen wrote:
Anyway, your curses are primitive and amatuerish and not to be worried about, except for the fact that as you level them against a disciple of Christ, you build up an inevitable response of the same type for yourself.
So he talks negative about me? Tries to change me, influence me? Maybe he will succeed one day?

But if he succeeds, will he happy then? If he has managed to change me, control me, manipulate me to be as he wants me to be, will he be happy then?

Lord help me.

I guess I need your complete armour: 100 %; 99% might not be enough, I think.

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RevKen wrote:
Be careful what you pray for.
Rev. Ken
It's the same again, isn't it? Trying to control me and influence me. Maybe he will succeed one day? You never know.

Lord help me. I guess I need 100 % armour if I shall stand and not fall.

I pray for RevKen. I put him in your Hands, and I want your will to happen to Him. I bless Him in the Name of the Allmighty Yeshua, and I bless all other people in here in the Name of Yeshua.

I need 100 % protection, not one single part the armour must be missing.

Amen

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#13459 Nov 24, 2012
Manmanman wrote:
Not for RevKen:
It's reported. He broke my boundaries again, poor guy, makes so many mistakes in public. He struggles.
Let's look at him:
<quoted text>
Here he tries to speak to me, but I think it is right of me not to listen to him because I don't invite him into my life?
He talks a lot about me. Wonder what he is up for? Wonder what his mission is? To change me? To influence me? Make me angry? How can it help him if he manages that if that is his mission? I am only guessing. I don't know what his mission is.
Maybe I will fail one day and let him succeed in his mission. Help me Lord.
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<quoted text>
So he talks negative about me? Tries to change me, influence me? Maybe he will succeed one day?
But if he succeeds, will he happy then? If he has managed to change me, control me, manipulate me to be as he wants me to be, will he be happy then?
Lord help me.
I guess I need your complete armour: 100 %; 99% might not be enough, I think.
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<quoted text>
It's the same again, isn't it? Trying to control me and influence me. Maybe he will succeed one day? You never know.
Lord help me. I guess I need 100 % armour if I shall stand and not fall.
I pray for RevKen. I put him in your Hands, and I want your will to happen to Him. I bless Him in the Name of the Allmighty Yeshua, and I bless all other people in here in the Name of Yeshua.
I need 100 % protection, not one single part the armour must be missing.
Amen
You dumb bunny, MMM!

I am already in the Lord's hands!
I am already working in His will!

So, yes! I thank you for the blessing in the Name of Almighty Yeshua!

Oh, and just a reminder. Be sure to take a sh_t first, before you put on the bottom half. Otherwise, the next time I respond to one of your responsive denials, you will make it mighty smelly in there!

LMFAO!(The F stands for Friar.)

Have some sweet potato casserole with baked and salted pecans on top. Mine is delicious. I'll give you the recipe, if you want it.

Rev. Ken

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#13461 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen:

Lord, help me. I am weak.
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear MMM,
Its reported, of course.
He starts to break my boundaries again. Wonder what he shall report:) He does a lot of mistakes. He calls me MMM I think when I guess he knows I want to be called Manmanman.

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RevKen wrote:
Your reply above to my post#13447 is proof enough that you are in dialogue with me, whether or not you try to say your response is "not for" me, or for that matter, when you write it is not for any particular one. The expression just means that you were insulted by the fact that someone responded to you.
Again he is talking to me. He is using the word "you" again and again.

Not sure what he wants to achieve? Change me?

Help me Lord. What will happen if he manages to change me? What will happen if he doesn't?

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RevKen wrote:
Where do you get off getting insulted by someone responding to you? What do you post for, here, anyway?
Do you post just to see your own letters going out into the void? Or do you actually expect someone to take notice and to reply?
Here it seems that he tries to get in dialogue with me. Asking questions can sometimes be a good way to be in dialogue especially when the questions are open, not only leading yes and no-questions?

Then it might be important for me to remember that I shall not dialogue with terrorists?

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RevKen wrote:
By responding as you do, in denial of conversation while replying point by point, you prove yourself to be a fearful little twerp with no reason for posting at all.
Then, when you follow with your veiled threats of terrible fates and insincere prayers for the one who has taken you to task for your feckless pronouncements, you do no one any favors, yourself especially.
Blow it out your backwards pointing bazooka, MMM. And then remember to flush twice.
Have some more of that dark meat and mashed potatoes and gravy. You'll feel better and you won't worry so much about who might be crossing your imaginary boundaries.
Here he comes with a lot of shit. By the way, who is MMM?(I am Manmanman.) So he probably is full of shit? Hmmm. He needs prayer then? I can pray afterwards.

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RevKen wrote:
<
Happy Thanksgiving to you, together with a reminder to get onto the thread topic, Homosexuality and the Bible, and get off your sorry ass.
Rev. Ken
Again he tries to get in contact with me and influence me? I don't know what he tries to. I am guessing. Wonder what will happen to him if he doesn't manage to do what he achieves? Will he be angry then or? Be more tricky or? I don't know.

He might be more aggressive? I don't know.

Lord, I pray for RevKen, I put him into your hands, and I want Your will to happen to him. Bless him and give him all good things in the Name of Yeshua, the Son of the Allmighty One.

Amen.

“Good day to you!”

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#13462 Nov 24, 2012
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
You are to be commended, Modernhippie, for at least reading it. Many refuse to read it and will criticize anyway. Many others read it, some for an entire lifetime, forming their bulldogged opinions about what is told within it. Yet, their opinions become developed in a shallow hypocrisy only based upon their personal experiences and the fearful biases they have developed through their associations with others.
Few actually take time to search for the parallels and the differences that exist within themselves that the bible can help them see.
And you have taken your own advice? Not.
Fact #1. The writers of the Christian Bible have well established that God is anti-sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #2. The Bible does not support nor validate in a single solitary scripture any other form of marriage, except that between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #3. The writers of the books in the Christian Bible have listed nearly any form of sexual relations as being wrong and or a sin, except that which is done in a marriage between a man and a woman(s). Can you imagine the extent of the writings existing just 2000 years ago and how many other prohibitions against sexual relations were spoken against that we don't have knowledge about now?
Believing in same sex marriage/relations is one thing. But to try and establish a connection between same sex marriage/relations and the Bible supporting it, it's a lost cause that should never have been began. The God of the Christian Bible is anti-sex except for one relationship he specified and set forth himself. Tough to accept I understand for those that wish to believe/think other wise.

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#13463 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen:

He is writing to MMM. Who's that? I am Manmanman, so this time he didn't respond to me. He responded out in the air if there is not someone here called MMM, but he responded to my post, so I don't know...

Let's look at him:
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
You dumb bunny, MMM!
I am already in the Lord's hands!
I am already working in His will!
So, yes! I thank you for the blessing in the Name of Almighty Yeshua!
He starts to call someone a "dumb bunny, MMM!". Okay. And then he says he is in the Lords's hands and that he is working His will. Okay. Why did he say that? Has "a dumb bunny, MMM" said something different, or? I don't understand this.

And then he thanks MMM for a blessing. Hmmm. Who is MMM? Has someone called MMM blessed him? Is he confused?

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RevKen wrote:
Oh, and just a reminder. Be sure to take a sh_t first, before you put on the bottom half. Otherwise, the next time I respond to one of your responsive denials, you will make it mighty smelly in there!
LMFAO!(The F stands for Friar.)
This was strange? What is he trying to communicate here? I have no idea. Maybe he struggles to communicate also, or maybe I am not good to understand:) Not sure :)

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RevKen wrote:
Have some sweet potato casserole with baked and salted pecans on top. Mine is delicious. I'll give you the recipe, if you want it.
Rev. Ken
Then he starts to talk about food and try to influence this MMM. Hmm...

Lord Yeshua, I pray for RevKen, I put him in your hands and ask You to bless him and give him all good things in the Name of Yeshua.

Amen

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#13464 Nov 24, 2012
Not for RevKen, only for the wise in here:

RevKen might have some problems. There is nothing I can do to change him. I might need to get help to handle it:)

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#13465 Nov 24, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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And you have taken your own advice? Not.
Fact #1. The writers of the Christian Bible have well established that God is anti-sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #2. The Bible does not support nor validate in a single solitary scripture any other form of marriage, except that between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #3. The writers of the books in the Christian Bible have listed nearly any form of sexual relations as being wrong and or a sin, except that which is done in a marriage between a man and a woman(s). Can you imagine the extent of the writings existing just 2000 years ago and how many other prohibitions against sexual relations were spoken against that we don't have knowledge about now?
Believing in same sex marriage/relations is one thing. But to try and establish a connection between same sex marriage/relations and the Bible supporting it, it's a lost cause that should never have been began. The God of the Christian Bible is anti-sex except for one relationship he specified and set forth himself. Tough to accept I understand for those that wish to believe/think other wise.
I agree.

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#13466 Nov 24, 2012
Not saying that RevKen is stupid or not wise or something like that, just that I don't wanna debate with him as long as he doesn't apologize and repent.

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#13467 Nov 24, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have taken your own advice? Not.
Fact #1. The writers of the Christian Bible have well established that God is anti-sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #2. The Bible does not support nor validate in a single solitary scripture any other form of marriage, except that between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #3. The writers of the books in the Christian Bible have listed nearly any form of sexual relations as being wrong and or a sin, except that which is done in a marriage between a man and a woman(s). Can you imagine the extent of the writings existing just 2000 years ago and how many other prohibitions against sexual relations were spoken against that we don't have knowledge about now?
Believing in same sex marriage/relations is one thing. But to try and establish a connection between same sex marriage/relations and the Bible supporting it, it's a lost cause that should never have been began. The God of the Christian Bible is anti-sex except for one relationship he specified and set forth himself. Tough to accept I understand for those that wish to believe/think other wise.
Or actiually some places it seems that He is positive to prostitution in some cases?

Not sure if He is 100 % against it?

There could be some more exceptions?

One of the prophets visited a prophet once I think, and he didn't get any punishment from above with that, I think.
Mona Lott

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#13468 Nov 24, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you find it even a little strange that no Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition supports the lies you so desperately want to believe?*ALL* support the Bible's many crystal clear commands against *ALL* homosexual behavior.
David, stop it.
Mona Lott

West New York, NJ

#13469 Nov 24, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have taken your own advice? Not.
Fact #1. The writers of the Christian Bible have well established that God is anti-sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #2. The Bible does not support nor validate in a single solitary scripture any other form of marriage, except that between a man and a woman(s).
Fact #3. The writers of the books in the Christian Bible have listed nearly any form of sexual relations as being wrong and or a sin, except that which is done in a marriage between a man and a woman(s). Can you imagine the extent of the writings existing just 2000 years ago and how many other prohibitions against sexual relations were spoken against that we don't have knowledge about now?
Believing in same sex marriage/relations is one thing. But to try and establish a connection between same sex marriage/relations and the Bible supporting it, it's a lost cause that should never have been began. The God of the Christian Bible is anti-sex except for one relationship he specified and set forth himself. Tough to accept I understand for those that wish to believe/think other wise.
God is anti-sex, eh?

I am so sorry for your loss.

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