Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Since: Jul 10

Denver, CO

#12616 Oct 29, 2012
Manmanman, when you talk about doubt are you talking about folks who doubt their salvation? I need clarification.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12617 Oct 29, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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I am Christian and I don't believe that nonsense.
Well that was a summation of modern Christian thinking concerning Jesus. If you found it nonsense, then you are stating you find mainstream Christianity as nonsense.
Therefore that intrigues me to ask just what do you define as Christianity?

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12618 Oct 29, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
What I do know from reading the Bible and seeing posters like David spew forth hate is that religious fanatics are horrible people.
People that spew hate do it for a number of reasons. A main reason is for effect. These people usually don't have a real true hate of the issue they are using hate speech for.
Their hate speech is also a weapon of sorts to protect them from what they don't understand and or fear.
Personally I find religious fanatics being very dependable for what they are. They don't change a lot concerning their rhetoric. The one's I'm cautious of are those that slander anything and everything in the name of hate. They change hate attitudes like a chameleon changes colors. They're the ones that have such deep emotional issues that they hate as they hate themselves.

Since: Aug 11

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#12619 Oct 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Well that was a summation of modern Christian thinking concerning Jesus. If you found it nonsense, then you are stating you find mainstream Christianity as nonsense.
Therefore that intrigues me to ask just what do you define as Christianity?
Love God, love one another.

That's it.

Since: Aug 11

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#12620 Oct 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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People that spew hate do it for a number of reasons. A main reason is for effect. These people usually don't have a real true hate of the issue they are using hate speech for.
Their hate speech is also a weapon of sorts to protect them from what they don't understand and or fear.
Personally I find religious fanatics being very dependable for what they are. They don't change a lot concerning their rhetoric. The one's I'm cautious of are those that slander anything and everything in the name of hate. They change hate attitudes like a chameleon changes colors. They're the ones that have such deep emotional issues that they hate as they hate themselves.
I agree 100%.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12621 Oct 29, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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No. That is YOUR summary.
lol...umm no. Such denial.
Mainstream Christianity believes a God that can't be understood, took on a body of flesh and dwelt with the spirits he created himself.
Mainstream Christianity believes concerning humans, God began it all with Adam, then Noah, then Abraham, then Moses and finally with himself and the apostles concerning who he gave his laws and commandments to so they could give them to others.
Mainstream Christianity teaches that the Bible writers wrote that God in the form of Jesus, was severely distressed with what had become of the law of Moses. That he was distressed with the priestly leaders of the day. That is all in the NT, try reading it.
And he did try and simplify the complexity of what the laws of Moses had become by erroneous/false teachings. He gutted the mess the laws of Moses had become to love. He simplified it to teaching those leaders they should be teaching more about love and forgiveness, not hate and punishment.
And those leaders hated him for his message. They planned to have him killed for his message and did that very thing.
That is a summary of mainstream Christianity teachings of Jesus. But since you think not, that prompts me to ask what version of the NT do you read that none of that information is in it?

Since: Aug 11

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#12622 Oct 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...umm no. Such denial.
Mainstream Christianity believes a God that can't be understood, took on a body of flesh and dwelt with the spirits he created himself.
Mainstream Christianity believes concerning humans, God began it all with Adam, then Noah, then Abraham, then Moses and finally with himself and the apostles concerning who he gave his laws and commandments to so they could give them to others.
Mainstream Christianity teaches that the Bible writers wrote that God in the form of Jesus, was severely distressed with what had become of the law of Moses. That he was distressed with the priestly leaders of the day. That is all in the NT, try reading it.
And he did try and simplify the complexity of what the laws of Moses had become by erroneous/false teachings. He gutted the mess the laws of Moses had become to love. He simplified it to teaching those leaders they should be teaching more about love and forgiveness, not hate and punishment.
And those leaders hated him for his message. They planned to have him killed for his message and did that very thing.
That is a summary of mainstream Christianity teachings of Jesus. But since you think not, that prompts me to ask what version of the NT do you read that none of that information is in it?
Then how do you explain the following passage?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12623 Oct 29, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Sorry. my opinion is that your muddled reply does not make much sense.
You continue to try to take things apart, citing errors and omissions. But, that is just the point isn't it?
The Law is built, philosophically, upon spiritual and moral errors and omissions. Of the Ten Commandments, seven are written as negatives, i.e., Thou shalt NOT; being expressions of what we are not to do, with errors of moral and spiritual nature that we are not to make.
Jesus takes a distinctly different approach to behavior and morality. Instead of denial, He asserts the positive, declaring that All of the Law and [the exhortations of] the prophets are built upon Two Great Commandments, the second of which is actually NOT one of the Ten Commandments brought by Moses.
Rev. Ken
Really? The below are the Jewish ten commandments, not the changed/adapted 10 Christian commandments.

The Ten Commandments
1. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of slavery in Egypt.
2. You shall have no other gods but me.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

Now below are statements made by jesus clarifying those commandments.

Commandment 1 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and the great commandment" (Mat 22:37). "And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment" (Mk 12:30). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8).
Commandment 2 "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mat 4:10). "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8). "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24). "But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam...to eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:14). "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, because you allow...My servants to...eat things sacrificed to idols" (Rev 2:20).
Commandment 3 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men" (Mat 12:31). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,...blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20).

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12624 Oct 29, 2012
continued....

Commandment 4 "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:11-12). "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath" (Mat 24:20); there would be no reason to pray this if the Sabbath was not going to be in existence. "And He said to them,'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath'" (Mk 2:27); this verse tells all who will see which day is the Lord's Day. "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue" (Mk 6:2). "And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16). "Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths" (Luke 4:31). "The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath...Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?" (Luke 6:5,9). "But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath...The Lord then answered him and said,'Hypocrite...So ought not this woman...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?'" (Luke (13:14-16). "'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?'...And they could not answer Him regarding these things" (Luke 14:3,6). "are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" (John 7:23).
Commandment 5 "For God commanded saying,'Honor your father and your mother' and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death'" (Mat 15:4). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mat 19:19). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 7:10). "Honor your father and your mother" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Honor your father and your mother" (Luke 18:20).
Commandment 6 "You have heard that it was said to those of old,'You shall not murder', and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" (Mat 5:21-22). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not murder" (Mat 19:18). "...murders...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Do not murder" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not murder" (Luke 18:20).

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12625 Oct 29, 2012
continued...

Commandment 7 "You have heard that it was said to those of old,'You shall not commit adultery'. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mat 5:27-28). "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 5:32). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...adulteries, fornications...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Mat 19:9). "You shall not commit adultery" (Mat 19:18). "...adulteries, fornications...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:21,23). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" (Mk 10:11-12). "Do not commit adultery" (Mk 10:19). "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18). "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery" (Luke 18:20). "'Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery'...And Jesus said to her...'sin no more'" (John 8:4,11). "Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation" (Rev 2:22).
Commandment 8 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...thefts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not steal" (Mat 19:18). "It is written,'My house shall be called a house of prayer', but you have made it a den of thieves" (Mat 21:13). "...thefts...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23). "Do not steal" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:... Do not steal" (Luke 18:20).

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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12626 Oct 29, 2012
Commandment 9 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old,'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, do not swear at all" (Mat 5:33-34). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not bear false witness" (Mat 19:18). "Do not bear false witness" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not bear false witness" (Luke 18:20). "And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Rev 2:2).

Commandment 10 "Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on" (Mat 6:25). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "...covetousness...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23).

"I have kept My Father's commandments" (John 15:10).
So it is clear that Jesus taught everyone of the ten commandments and that he also kept them.

Any more ludicrous questions reverend?

Since: Aug 11

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#12627 Oct 29, 2012
So what does it all mean Mr. Green Jeans?

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#12628 Oct 29, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Then how do you explain the following passage?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
What is to explain? Jesus was making a statement concerning the sons and daughters of God on this earth.
The man asking the question may have seen Jesus for what he appeared to be, a master/teacher/rabbi of the teachings of God and not God himself.
In kind, Jesus answered as the question was asked of how the man saw him, not for what he truly was. So Jesus tried to teach the man that all children of God fell short of being called good because of sin. But that the way to becoming a good person was to keep the commandments of God. And keeping the commandments of God should assure one eternal life in the hereafter.

Since: Jul 10

Denver, CO

#12629 Oct 29, 2012
And of course no one can keep the Law (Commandments) so we are not under the Law of works but are under the Law of faith (Rom 3:27,28), saved if we believe in the name of the only-begotten Son of God, whose name is called 'The Word of God' in Rev 19:13.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#12630 Oct 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
Commandment 9 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old,'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, do not swear at all" (Mat 5:33-34). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...false witness...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "You shall not bear false witness" (Mat 19:18). "Do not bear false witness" (Mk 10:19). "You know the commandments:...Do not bear false witness" (Luke 18:20). "And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Rev 2:2).
Commandment 10 "Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on" (Mat 6:25). "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts...These are the things which defile a man" (Mat 15:19-20). "...covetousness...All these evil things come from within and defile a man" (Mk 7:22-23).
"I have kept My Father's commandments" (John 15:10).
So it is clear that Jesus taught everyone of the ten commandments and that he also kept them.
Any more ludicrous questions reverend?
In your first post,#12623 above, you began your concordance-driven diatribe, listing Matthew 22:37. You then continued to quote scripture after scripture, passage after passage, through three more lengthy posts.

Then, proud of yourself, you thought it necessary to ridicule and show your disdain.

Only this ludicrous question:

Why did you leave out the balance of what Jesus said, being Matthew 22:39-40?

Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?
He said to him, " 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment.
And a second is like it:'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

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Since: Jul 07

Get over it, already

#12631 Oct 29, 2012
Two shay.

Since: Aug 11

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#12632 Oct 29, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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What is to explain? Jesus was making a statement concerning the sons and daughters of God on this earth.
The man asking the question may have seen Jesus for what he appeared to be, a master/teacher/rabbi of the teachings of God and not God himself.
In kind, Jesus answered as the question was asked of how the man saw him, not for what he truly was. So Jesus tried to teach the man that all children of God fell short of being called good because of sin. But that the way to becoming a good person was to keep the commandments of God. And keeping the commandments of God should assure one eternal life in the hereafter.
That's a subjective rationalization. You don't actually know what he meant. Quite literally, Jesus is a separate entity to God the father right?(SMILE)

Since: Apr 12

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#12633 Oct 30, 2012
Not for RevKen:

It's reported. He is degrading, isn't he? Talking negative about other people?
RevKen wrote:
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In your first post,#12623 above, you began your concordance-driven diatribe, listing Matthew 22:37. You then continued to quote scripture after scripture, passage after passage, through three more lengthy posts.
"lengthy posts": This seems to be talking negative, isn't it? Trying to degrade other people? Is that a fair way of being in here? What do you say guys?

When will RevKen get his punishment. It might come?

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RevKen wrote:
Then, proud of yourself, you thought it necessary to ridicule and show your disdain.
Wonder how RevKen can know if this guy is proud of himself. Did he say that? If not, can RevKen read other peoples mind? If he thinks he can, he might have a problem?

It wasn't very much ridiculing, was it? Maybe one sentence? But if it was, I guess it is not good?

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RevKen wrote:
Only this ludicrous question:
Why did you leave out the balance of what Jesus said, being Matthew 22:39-40?
Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?
He said to him, " 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment.
And a second is like it:'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Not sure what he is saying here, but it is something degrading isn't it?

RevKen on his way to a terrible place, isn't he? Really, really terrible as long as he keeps on with this?

I forgive him everything.

:)

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Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#12634 Oct 30, 2012
It's surprising how the supposed "die-hard" christians who are meant to be expressing love and forgiveness and constantly preaching Hell and damnation, even though it's mentioned very little in the Bible.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#12635 Oct 30, 2012
Why a Good Person Can Vote Against Same-Sex Marriage
By Dennis Prager

"Next week voters in Maine, Maryland and Washington will vote on whether to redefine marriage to include same-sex couples.

"Given that there are good people on both sides of this issue, how are we to explain their opposing views?

"The primary explanation is this: Proponents and opponents ask two different questions.

"Proponents of same-sex marriage ask: Is keeping the definition of marriage as man-woman fair to gays? Opponents of same-sex marriage ask: Is same-sex marriage good for society?...

"Is the man-woman definition of marriage fair to gays who wish to marry? No, it isn’t. And those of us opposed to same-sex marriage need to be honest about this, to confront the human price paid by some people through no fault of their own and figure out ways to offer gay couples basic rights associated with marriage.

"But whether a policy is fair to every individual can never be the only question society asks in establishing social policy. Eyesight standards for pilots are unfair to some terrifically capable individuals. Orchestra standards are unfair to many talented musicians. A mandatory retirement age is unfair to many people. Wherever there are standards, there will be unfairness to individuals."

http://www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/why-a-g...

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