Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36060 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26920 Jun 20, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Britannica is not an authoritative source on Biblical matters or anything else.
Thanks for your jokes.
Show me a translation that communicates your position in the context of the situation.

Otherwise, you simply don't like what it says.

Smile.

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#26921 Jun 20, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Show me a translation that communicates your position in the context of the situation.
Otherwise, you simply don't like what it says.
Smile.
WTF?

Your post is meaningless drivel.
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#26922 Jun 20, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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When the Gospel of Matthew isn't written by Matthew, and John's Gospel by John?
"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true" -- John 21:24.
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So according to an anonymous troll, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are all the same person?
And if you have any more lame questions, look it up in Britannica.
"disciple" NOT "apostle".

"John" is a heavily edited compilation with a core by John the Presbyter, NOT a witness to the events related.

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#26923 Jun 20, 2014
Belle Sexton wrote:
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"disciple" NOT "apostle".
"John" is a heavily edited compilation with a core by John the Presbyter, NOT a witness to the events related.
Exactly. How refreshing to see someone who actually knows something about the Bible.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26924 Jun 20, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Show me a translation that communicates your position in the context of the situation.
Otherwise, you simply don't like what it says.
Smile.
WasteWater wrote:
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WTF?
Your post is meaningless drivel.
Arguing who wrote what is meaningless.

What the passage says IS the only issue we can address.

Now put up or shut up.

Smile.

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#26925 Jun 20, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Show me a translation that communicates your position in the context of the situation.
Otherwise, you simply don't like what it says.
Smile.
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Arguing who wrote what is meaningless.
What the passage says IS the only issue we can address.
Now put up or shut up.
Smile.
Stop whining boring POS.

Your worthless opinions mean nothing.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26926 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Stop whining boring POS.
Your worthless opinions mean nothing.
Limp.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#26927 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Britannica is not an authoritative source on Biblical matters or anything else ....
You're describing yourself, not Britannica. Or was that supposed to be a joke?
Belle Sexton wrote:
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"disciple" NOT "apostle".
"John" is a heavily edited compilation with a core by John the Presbyter, NOT a witness to the events related.
John and the other 11 apostles are referred to as disciples throughout his Gospel.

John 21:20-24 (NIV)

20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them.(This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said,“Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked,“Lord, what about him?”

22 Jesus answered,“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said,“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

These verses all refer to the same disciple, John, the "beloved disciple" (20:2). The Twelve Apostles are the primary disciples of Jesus of Nazareth.

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#26928 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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WTF?
Your post is meaningless drivel.
These responders who are aimlessly trying to refute your statements do not even know the history of the writing of the Gospels, as they are now understood to have been composed and known to have been written.

Not one of the synoptic gospels was written by an eye-witness Apostle, even though they bear the Apostles' names. Three, Matthew, Mark and Luke, used the same basic source, often now called the Gospel of Q or "quelle," which has not been found, yet, but which "source" almost certainly existed at one point very early on and from which much material was gleaned. However, that source may have been a version or a manuscript gospel similar to the Gospel of Thomas.

This Gospel, Thomas, is the only probable eye-witness gospel, known to exist at this time - and no original manuscripts of this gospel are known to exist. It is a list of the sayings of Jesus and is not a "life or ministry account," as are the other synoptic Gospels What we do have are early copies. Even so, modern Christian fundamentalists, instead of embracing the Gospel of Thomas, shy away from it because of its supposedly "Gnostic" character.

The Gospel of John is the closest to a "Gnostic" viewpoint. But, in fact, it is a hybrid Gospel, incorporating certain elements of Greek philosophy that are not part of the purely Hebrew view.

I wish Snyper was still on these boards to elaborate on these facts. But, I have not seen his comments posted here for a few months.

Keep up the good work WasteWater.

Rev. Ken

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#26929 Jun 21, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You're describing yourself, not Britannica. Or was that supposed to be a joke?
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John and the other 11 apostles are referred to as disciples throughout his Gospel.
John 21:20-24 (NIV)
20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them.(This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said,“Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked,“Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered,“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said,“If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
These verses all refer to the same disciple, John, the "beloved disciple" (20:2). The Twelve Apostles are the primary disciples of Jesus of Nazareth.
ad hominem fallacy followed by more circular reasoning.

Try again

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#26930 Jun 21, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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These responders who are aimlessly trying to refute your statements do not even know the history of the writing of the Gospels, as they are now understood to have been composed and known to have been written.
Not one of the synoptic gospels was written by an eye-witness Apostle, even though they bear the Apostles' names. Three, Matthew, Mark and Luke, used the same basic source, often now called the Gospel of Q or "quelle," which has not been found, yet, but which "source" almost certainly existed at one point very early on and from which much material was gleaned. However, that source may have been a version or a manuscript gospel similar to the Gospel of Thomas.
This Gospel, Thomas, is the only probable eye-witness gospel, known to exist at this time - and no original manuscripts of this gospel are known to exist. It is a list of the sayings of Jesus and is not a "life or ministry account," as are the other synoptic Gospels What we do have are early copies. Even so, modern Christian fundamentalists, instead of embracing the Gospel of Thomas, shy away from it because of its supposedly "Gnostic" character.
The Gospel of John is the closest to a "Gnostic" viewpoint. But, in fact, it is a hybrid Gospel, incorporating certain elements of Greek philosophy that are not part of the purely Hebrew view.
I wish Snyper was still on these boards to elaborate on these facts. But, I have not seen his comments posted here for a few months.
Keep up the good work WasteWater.
Rev. Ken
Exactly. They are ignorant of how the Bible came into being.

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#26931 Jun 21, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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These responders who are aimlessly trying to refute your statements do not even know the history of the writing of the Gospels, as they are now understood to have been composed and known to have been written.
Not one of the synoptic gospels was written by an eye-witness Apostle, even though they bear the Apostles' names. Three, Matthew, Mark and Luke, used the same basic source, often now called the Gospel of Q or "quelle," which has not been found, yet, but which "source" almost certainly existed at one point very early on and from which much material was gleaned. However, that source may have been a version or a manuscript gospel similar to the Gospel of Thomas.
This Gospel, Thomas, is the only probable eye-witness gospel, known to exist at this time - and no original manuscripts of this gospel are known to exist. It is a list of the sayings of Jesus and is not a "life or ministry account," as are the other synoptic Gospels What we do have are early copies. Even so, modern Christian fundamentalists, instead of embracing the Gospel of Thomas, shy away from it because of its supposedly "Gnostic" character.
The Gospel of John is the closest to a "Gnostic" viewpoint. But, in fact, it is a hybrid Gospel, incorporating certain elements of Greek philosophy that are not part of the purely Hebrew view.
I wish Snyper was still on these boards to elaborate on these facts. But, I have not seen his comments posted here for a few months.
Keep up the good work WasteWater.
Rev. Ken
Snyper has passed away to join the angels.

RIP

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#26932 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Snyper has passed away to join the angels.
RIP
I am very sorry to hear this. I wondered what had happened.

I must say that I am deeply appreciative for the time he gave and the expression of his considerable faith and knowledge, over the past couple of years, on these threads.

He was very helpful here, more than most can understand.

Thank you for informing me.

Rev. Ken

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26933 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Exactly. They are ignorant of how the Bible came into being.
How the Bible came to be is unsettled speculation on an intellectual level. There will never be agreement, because there is too much we don't know.

What it says about this issue is not.

It is why the rev is incapable of arguing from the context.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26934 Jun 21, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Snyper has passed away to join the angels.
RIP
The Puritans had a saying,

"We are not ready to live until we are ready to die."

What angels are you talking about?

lides

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#26935 Jun 21, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
When the Gospel of Matthew isn't written by Matthew, and John's Gospel by John?
"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true" -- John 21:24.
Most of the gospels were written down between 55 A.D. and 140 A.D.
Seeing as the average lifespan at the time was 30-39 years of age, and living until 50 was extremely rare, it is only logical that the original disciples did not write down the books themselves. Keep in mind, only 2 were disciples of Jesus (John and Matthew), Mark was a disciple of Peter, and Luke was a disciple of St. Paul. So, the latter two were not direct witnesses to the events.
http://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and...
http://www.catholicherald.com/stories/Straigh...

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#26936 Jun 21, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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I am very sorry to hear this. I wondered what had happened.
I must say that I am deeply appreciative for the time he gave and the expression of his considerable faith and knowledge, over the past couple of years, on these threads.
He was very helpful here, more than most can understand.
Thank you for informing me.
Rev. Ken
He was a great guy. Very scholarly. I miss both he and Golem.

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#26937 Jun 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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The Puritans had a saying,
"We are not ready to live until we are ready to die."
What angels are you talking about?
Want to see angels? Look in your pig pen. You may find them wallowing in the filth.
Jane

Crestwood, KY

#26938 Jun 21, 2014
1 Cor. 6:9 is the place where it uses the word Homosexual and is wrong. But in other places it even says not to have meals with them like 1 Cor. 5:11

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

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#26939 Jun 21, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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I am very sorry to hear this. I wondered what had happened.
I must say that I am deeply appreciative for the time he gave and the expression of his considerable faith and knowledge, over the past couple of years, on these threads.
He was very helpful here, more than most can understand.
Thank you for informing me.
Rev. Ken
Yes, RIP Snyper. He is sadly missed by us all.

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