Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36060 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26216 Mar 17, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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It is saying it that makes you the homophobe. Just like racist whites who sit in restaurants next to black customers would not inform the black guests sitting at the next table that they do not like black skinned people, "it just makes me feel queezy sitting next to you". People would be shocked if a white person said that to a black person in public. Yet you think nothing of waltzing in here saying virtually the same thing to gay people. If you keep your mouth shut no one will call you a homophobe.
Now I admit that there are quite a few homosexuals [cpeter1313, lides and Comrade Sheepie come to mind] who are so obnoxious that they turn people like you who tolerate gays into people who hate gays and that is a huge credibility problem. But please remember they are in the minority and do not represent the gay community that you say deserves the same rights as everybody else enjoys.
It is that innate awareness that anal sex is unnatural, harmful and gross that you are calling 'homophobic'. Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not.

You will never change that sense. You can't repress it. Even if you demand that people not speak about it, they WILL think it.

It is that single, simple point of reality that I keep provoking homosexuals with. The demand to be honest in all things. And that is not a little thing. Denial is deadly.

One reason is, it requires denial in more things. which brings us to the monstrous assertion that a duplicate gendered couple is the same as marriage. Or even more outrageous, two lesbians are better parents than mom and dad!

This is the core of my position on here.

I challenge you or anyone to give me an honest, rational response.

Since: Feb 14

UK

#26217 Mar 17, 2014
My last post got removed! Wtf? All I said was religion is the fundamental cause of hatred towards gay people so blame that big invisible b@stard in the sky

Since: Dec 11

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#26218 Mar 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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It is that innate awareness that anal sex is unnatural, harmful and gross that you are calling 'homophobic'. Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not.
If your argument is based on you having the power of telepathy and telling everyone what they really think, your argument sucks.
KiMare wrote:
You will never change that sense. You can't repress it. Even if you demand that people not speak about it, they WILL think it.
"Everyone knows that every sexual act outside of missionary position with a sheet between the two people is unnatural, harmful, and gross. Everyone is aware of this, but most people just in denial."

“=”

Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#26219 Mar 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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LOL, subscriber for many years.
I usually am the one educating gays on here. Just like in the post you responded to. Truth is not hate because it hurts your denial.
Smile.
You really are more delusional than I thought if you think you're educating anyone here on anything other than your own ignorance and deep-seated irrational contempt for gay people.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#26220 Mar 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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It is that innate awareness that anal sex is unnatural, harmful and gross that you are calling 'homophobic'. Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not.
You will never change that sense. You can't repress it. Even if you demand that people not speak about it, they WILL think it.
It is that single, simple point of reality that I keep provoking homosexuals with. The demand to be honest in all things. And that is not a little thing. Denial is deadly.
One reason is, it requires denial in more things. which brings us to the monstrous assertion that a duplicate gendered couple is the same as marriage. Or even more outrageous, two lesbians are better parents than mom and dad!
This is the core of my position on here.
I challenge you or anyone to give me an honest, rational response.
The best documentation in answer to your challenge is the Prop 8 trial transcribed.

Since: Mar 09

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#26221 Mar 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I simply noted the reality of what happened. You care to explain why?
I also simply noted what is often presented by gays as history. Perhaps you should correct them???
You and I both know that what was in the beginning embraced, became something despised when it reached fruition.
As usual, you conflated interpretation with facts. Further, you selected to ignore the copious amount of data that does provide insight into the various cultures.

One such is the Athenian proverb: "Women are for bearing, men are for loving."

This radically differs from the view of the Spartans who, while sharing the low view of women did not place the same emphases upon the relationship between males. Merely by way of an illustrative analogy, it might be helpful to contrast the views regarding human motivations held by, say, Mother Teresa and Ayn Rand. The differences are marked and striking, and pervade far more than one small area of the personal approach to existence, or one type of relationship.

The Corinthians reserved male relationships exclusively to the erotic sphere with male prostitutes, and that was viewed definitely a low-life activity. Both the Athenians and the Spartans would have agreed on the lowlife part, but the Athenians would have viewed such activity as the resort of those unable to form the higher bond, and the Spartans held a view about prostitution as a whole remarkably similar to your view of homosexuality in general ... but would have added the Spartan cardinal sin of weakness.

Since: Mar 09

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#26222 Mar 17, 2014
SHADOW wrote:
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Queer rights have always been-there just are no special rights like they all want.
Never cared much for crow thank you very much.
Name three such "special rights" that you do not already possess.

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#26223 Mar 17, 2014
Jimmy2014 wrote:
Gay people deserve every right that straight people have, only a bigot would disagree with that, we're all human in the end but people shouldn't be forced to agree with their choice in life, I just don't like it, I said before that seeing a man kissing a man makes me feel queezy and I'm instantly labled a homophobe, I'm just normal
Look into the "queezy"ness and you will learn something.

Since: Mar 09

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#26224 Mar 17, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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It is that innate awareness that anal sex is unnatural, harmful and gross that you are calling 'homophobic'. Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not.
You will never change that sense. You can't repress it. Even if you demand that people not speak about it, they WILL think it.
It is that single, simple point of reality that I keep provoking homosexuals with. The demand to be honest in all things. And that is not a little thing. Denial is deadly.
One reason is, it requires denial in more things. which brings us to the monstrous assertion that a duplicate gendered couple is the same as marriage. Or even more outrageous, two lesbians are better parents than mom and dad!
This is the core of my position on here.
I challenge you or anyone to give me an honest, rational response.
Now you are adding "innate" to your list of assertions !

ROFL !!!!

Since: Feb 14

Seattle, WA

#26225 Mar 17, 2014
The Hitman wrote:
Homosexuality is as wrong as two men screwing. It's sick, it's twisted, and it grosses out "normal" people. Keep your bedroom activities in the bedroom, stop prancing around trying to get attention, quit self-adjusting your voice to purposely sound like a sissy, and maybe, just maybe you won't "feel like" everybody's looking down their noses at you because you're weird. If you're a homosexual, then you ARE weird, so just try to hide it and ACT normal.
may I say a big old eff this guy! It's not the most polite way to put it but he is just offensive I for one do not "prance" or "self adjust my voice"! Sorry but your vision of gays is flawed if you think we all are like that... The way we are using the bible to further our own biases is shocking to me. If it is against gods will why is it anyone's job to say so we will all face judgment someday but that is between each individual person and god. I'm gay but why should it matter to anybody! If god thinks it is bad then that is between me and god not anyone else... Now let the troll bait begin

Since: Feb 14

Edinburgh, UK

#26226 Mar 17, 2014
Like someone said before, it's those overly flamboyant, loud and proud in your face gay people who make your average tolerant straight guy homophobic, I know it's a minority in a minority but when it's those type of gay people who represent you in the media and public, gay pride etc. what do you expect? You're gay, get over yourself, I'm straight and proud but you don't see us marching down the street proclaiming our sexuality so why should they? The more they make a big deal about it, the more the 'phobes will. The majority can't be expected to change their values and morals which they've had for millinea in the matter of a few decades

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#26227 Mar 17, 2014
Jimmy2014 wrote:
My last post got removed! Wtf? All I said was religion is the fundamental cause of hatred towards gay people so blame that big invisible b@stard in the sky
Yes, but not all religion. It's mainly the Abrahamic ones.

Since: Aug 09

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#26229 Mar 18, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Now you are adding "innate" to your list of assertions !
ROFL !!!!
He writes, "Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not."

This is a simple denial that there are people who are homosexual.

It is a failure to acknowledge his own "innate" orientation.

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#26230 Mar 18, 2014
Jimmy2014 wrote:
Like someone said before, it's those overly flamboyant, loud and proud in your face gay people who make your average tolerant straight guy homophobic, I know it's a minority in a minority but when it's those type of gay people who represent you in the media and public, gay pride etc. what do you expect? You're gay, get over yourself, I'm straight and proud but you don't see us marching down the street proclaiming our sexuality so why should they? The more they make a big deal about it, the more the 'phobes will. The majority can't be expected to change their values and morals which they've had for millinea in the matter of a few decades
You don't NEED to parade ... except that you do. Yours is the dominant paradigm. all-pervasive and sometimes oppressively so.

Here's a beginning to understanding.

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#26231 Mar 18, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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He writes, "Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not."
This is a simple denial that there are people who are homosexual.
It is a failure to acknowledge his own "innate" orientation.
Of course.

Projection is one of his symptoms.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#26232 Mar 18, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Now you are adding "innate" to your list of assertions !
ROFL !!!!
You scoff innate, like in the use of anal sex by the animal kingdom to assert domination?

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#26233 Mar 18, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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He writes, "Homosexuals possess that awareness whether they admit it or not."
This is a simple denial that there are people who are homosexual.
It is a failure to acknowledge his own "innate" orientation.
I denied no such thing.

I did assert that homosexuals have an inner awareness of abnormality. One expression is a performance orientation.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#26234 Mar 18, 2014
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you conflated interpretation with facts. Further, you selected to ignore the copious amount of data that does provide insight into the various cultures.
One such is the Athenian proverb: "Women are for bearing, men are for loving."
This radically differs from the view of the Spartans who, while sharing the low view of women did not place the same emphases upon the relationship between males. Merely by way of an illustrative analogy, it might be helpful to contrast the views regarding human motivations held by, say, Mother Teresa and Ayn Rand. The differences are marked and striking, and pervade far more than one small area of the personal approach to existence, or one type of relationship.
The Corinthians reserved male relationships exclusively to the erotic sphere with male prostitutes, and that was viewed definitely a low-life activity. Both the Athenians and the Spartans would have agreed on the lowlife part, but the Athenians would have viewed such activity as the resort of those unable to form the higher bond, and the Spartans held a view about prostitution as a whole remarkably similar to your view of homosexuality in general ... but would have added the Spartan cardinal sin of weakness.
You state those as static practices and ignore the evolution of where those belief systems led. My point.

You promote the idea only by denying the consequences. Deception and denial.

Smile.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#26235 Mar 18, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I denied no such thing.
I did assert that homosexuals have an inner awareness of abnormality. One expression is a performance orientation.
But not nearly as abnormal as yours, nutty fruitcake.
:-)

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#26236 Mar 18, 2014
LOL!!!.... How about YOU reading quotes by Jesus about human sexuality?

Or homosexuality.

As far as Matthew 19 goes, for instance.

What Plato may have said may be a philosophical point of view. But, it is not necessarily the point of view that Jesus is reported to have allowed, is it?

What does Jesus say to us about children? Since we now know that homosexuality and the sexual orientation that becomes the homosexual nature in the child begins in the womb, even at the point of cellular differentiation, how does his point of view help to direct our current understanding?

Raspberries and Grin

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