So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Grou...

So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

There are 18008 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Aug 17, 2012, titled So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

What makes hate, well, hate? Given that today is something of a quiet news day, it may be nice to give ourselves a breather and think about some things.

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“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#19619 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Which brings about my point about the brokenness of man that you denied.
Why does every culture have a inbred sense of failure? Some moral standard they fail to meet. Why does moral failure exist?
Smile.
Sorry, but every "culture" does NOT have such a sense of failure.

Every RELIGION has that. Because religions NEED to invent a problem, in order to sell you a solution. If they can't tell you something's wrong with you, then they can't tell you that they alone can fix it.

Nobody's perfect, but everyone can strive to be better. And they DON'T need magic stories in order to do it. We aren't "broken" just because we can always find ways to be kinder. And we CERTAINLY aren't broken just because we picked the wrong world religion, or none at all. What kind of "perfect" god creates broken humans? Moral failings exist because people can choose to harm to one another, as easily as we can choose to do good. The process to correct that is WORK. It isn't solved just by kissing invisible ass.

Here's the thing about your "alien" hypothesis, and your focus on ONE moment in the biblical narrative. In order for your alien story to be TRUE, it needs to explain the WHOLE Bible. Charles Darwin didn't suggest that evolution explains finch beaks BUT NOTHING ELSE. He realized that it explains the ENTIRE range of speciation, not just "one moment". It didn't just explain finches, while failing to explain beetles, dinosaurs, wolves, mushrooms, humans, manatees, Escherichia coli and earthworms. Evolution covered the WHOLE gamut. That's what made it an accepted scientific theory.

But, while your alien idea is fascinating, and MIGHT explain a visitation to ancient humans with the delivery of advanced ideas (though I've yet to see any "advanced ideas" that humans couldn't come up with on their own), the alien hypothesis fails because it doesn't explain ANYTHING ELSE.

It doesn't explain the story of the Garden of Eden. It doesn't explain magic fruit with the knowledge of good and evil locked inside. It doesn't explain talking snakes (or donkeys). It doesn't explain a man arising from mud, and a woman arising from his rib, circumventing the process of evolution. It doesn't explain the formation of language from the Tower of Babel. It doesn't explain Jonah & the whale. It doesn't explain Samson. It doesn't explain Jesus. It doesn't explain the collection of animals from the entire globe, their storage, feeding, watering and waste disposal aboard one boat for an entire year, and then their global re-dispersal. It doesn't explain Joseph's dreams. It doesn't explain Elijah's bears. It doesn't explain why these aliens endorsed slavery, or rampant misogyny. It doesn't explain their aversion to tattooing, or haircutting, or fabric blending. It doesn't explain Jacob's colored goats. It doesn't explain Pharoah's hardened heart. It doesn't explain the parting of the Red Sea. It doesn't explain the walls of Jericho. It doesn't explain dragons, unicorns, satyrs and cockatrixes. It doesn't explain Heaven or Hell.

Sorry to run on, but that's the kind of nonsense that fills the Bible. All these gaping holes undermine these "aliens". A good hypothesis is UNIFIED. It's proven correct when it fills in ALL the holes. You can't just sweep all these dangling threads under the rug. Interstellar aliens, with hyper-advanced morality and technology, would be able to explain EVERYTHING, not just ONE vague possibility.

You can SAY that you don't have "all the answers", but if Darwin had stopped there (or Copernicus, or Newton, or Curie, or Einstein), then HIS theories would've been "brushed aside", too. I'm justified in brushing aside these aliens, if they're nothing but a band-aid on ONE inconvenient story. The Bible is too full of magic and myth for aliens to explain ALL of it.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19620 Feb 5, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but every "culture" does NOT have such a sense of failure.
Every RELIGION has that. Because religions NEED to invent a problem, in order to sell you a solution. If they can't tell you something's wrong with you, then they can't tell you that they alone can fix it.
Nobody's perfect, but everyone can strive to be better. And they DON'T need magic stories in order to do it. We aren't "broken" just because we can always find ways to be kinder. And we CERTAINLY aren't broken just because we picked the wrong world religion, or none at all. What kind of "perfect" god creates broken humans? Moral failings exist because people can choose to harm to one another, as easily as we can choose to do good. The process to correct that is WORK. It isn't solved just by kissing invisible ass.
Here's the thing about your "alien" hypothesis, and your focus on ONE moment in the biblical narrative. In order for your alien story to be TRUE, it needs to explain the WHOLE Bible. Charles Darwin didn't suggest that evolution explains finch theory.
But, while your alien idea is fascinating, and MIGHT explain a visitation to ancient humans with the delivery of advanced ideas (though I've yet to see any "advanced ideas" that humans couldn't come up with on their own), the alien hypothesis fails because it doesn't explain ANYTHING ELSE.
It doesn't explain the story of the Garden of Eden. It doesn't explain magic fruit with the knowledge of good and evil locked inside. It doesn't explain talking snakes (or donkeys). It doesn't explain a man arising from mud, and a woman arising from his rib, circumventing the process of evolution. It doesn't explain the formation of language from the Tower of Babel. It doesn't explain Jonah & the whale. It doesn't explain Samson. It doesn't explain Jesus. It doesn't explain the collection of animals from the entire globe, their storage, feeding, watering and waste disposal aboard one boat for an entire year, and then their global re-dispersal. It doesn't explain Joseph's dreams. It doesn't explain Elijah's bears. It doesn't explain why these aliens endorsed slavery, or rampant misogyny. It doesn't explain their aversion to tattooing, or haircutting, or fabric blending. It doesn't explain Jacob's colored goats. It doesn't explain Pharoah's hardened heart. It doesn't explain the parting of the Red Sea. It doesn't explain the walls of Jericho. It doesn't explain dragons, unicorns, satyrs and cockatrixes. It doesn't explain Heaven or Hell.
Sorry to run on, but that's the kind of nonsense that fills the Bible. All these gaping holes undermine these "aliens". A good hypothesis is UNIFIED. It's proven correct when it fills in ALL the holes. You can't just sweep all these dangling threads under the rug. Interstellar aliens, with hyper-advanced morality and technology, would be able to explain EVERYTHING, not just ONE vague possibility.
You can SAY that you don't have "all the answers", but if Darwin had stopped there (or Copernicus, or Newton, or Curie, or Einstein), then HIS theories would've been "brushed aside", too. I'm justified in brushing aside these aliens, if they're nothing but a band-aid on ONE inconvenient story. The Bible is too full of magic and myth for aliens to explain ALL of it.
Virtually every culture does have belief in brokenness. It is described as religion.
Because you don't agree or understand a reason for morality, it does not negate its existence.
Even Darwin could not explain everything. Evolution isSTILL considered a theory.
By the way, several of the geniuses you mention we're Christians.
Beyond all that, all I'm asking is that you explain how a single event with a consistent series of ore-scientific descriptions got into a mistranslated fable and resulted in the predicted outcome thousands of years later.
Smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#19621 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

Why does every culture have a inbred sense of failure?
You should have talked with me prior to posting this.
Inner lesbian could help prevent your from making a continued ass of yourself with statements like this.

I saw your wife, nude. She wants me. Bad.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#19622 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Gay 'marriage' is the blunder of evolution and the slander of Satan on the image of God.
Blow it out your ass.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#19623 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently in Joel 1:8 it does not...
Context in doctrinal interpretation is hardly 'gobbleegook'...
Smile.
The word used is betula. It means virgin.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#19624 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Blow it out your ass.
He is doing so.
That's where his comments come from.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19625 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>The word used is betula. It means virgin.
And the context is speaking of a wife.

Smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#19626 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>The word used is betula. It means virgin.
I'm a virgin, and I must be catholic. I base this on the fact that kimare won't let me get "nun". I'll get his wife, though and she'll be screaming the Lord's name in pleasure. She saw my mangina and she wants it.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19627 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Gay 'marriage' is the blunder of evolution and the slander of Satan on the image of God.
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>
Blow it out your ass.
Ad homoan attacks don't change reality.

Smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#19628 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>
Blow it out your ass.
He does blow it out his Ass all the time. Trust me, I live in the neighborhood. Non-stop wind from kimare.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#19629 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
Gay 'marriage' is the blunder of evolution and the slander of Satan on the image of God.
<quoted text>
Ad homoan attacks don't change reality.
Smile.
Not that you've ever had any, but mentioning Satan makes you lose credibilty.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#19630 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
And the context is speaking of a wife.
Smile.
Did you have a point?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#19631 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Did you have a point?
She does, but you've missed it.
Where's my Massengill, dude?
Sgt Common Sense

Denver, CO

#19633 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
Gay 'marriage' is the blunder of evolution and the slander of Satan on the image of God.
<quoted text>
Ad homoan attacks don't change reality.
Smile.
(.........oh dear..........KiMare is loose on the Institute's grounds again .......... where's my extra large butterfly net???.......

Since: May 11

Uphall, UK

#19634 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
Gay 'marriage' is the blunder of evolution and the slander of Satan on the image of God.
<quoted text>
Ad homoan attacks don't change reality.
Smile.
Same sex marriage just passed into law in the UK, in a few years when it becomes obvious that allowing people of the same gender to marry did not cause destruction of life as we know it you really won`t have an argument anymore will you?....Other than, "WaaaH! I don`t like it!".

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19635 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not that you've ever had any, but mentioning Satan makes you lose credibilty.
Losing credibility with a blonde?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19636 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Did you have a point?
Hardly a virgin.

You are sooooooo blonde.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#19637 Feb 5, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sex marriage just passed into law in the UK, in a few years when it becomes obvious that allowing people of the same gender to marry did not cause destruction of life as we know it you really won`t have an argument anymore will you?....Other than, "WaaaH! I don`t like it!".
However, in reality, it is simply a blunder of evolution, a imposter relationship. Everyone knows it is gay, always different. Even you know that.

Smile.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#19638 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
However, in reality, it is simply a blunder of evolution, a imposter relationship. Everyone knows it is gay, always different. Even you know that.
Smile.
British lawmakers on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly in favor of a bill to legalize same-sex marriage championed by Prime Minister David Cameron, despite strong opposition from within his Conservative Party.

In a first House of Commons vote, lawmakers voted 400 to 175 in support of the legislation.

Since: May 11

Uphall, UK

#19639 Feb 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
However, in reality, it is simply a blunder of evolution, a imposter relationship. Everyone knows it is gay, always different. Even you know that.
Smile.
Was the shock so great that you lost the ability to compose a cogent post?

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