So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Grou...

So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

There are 18009 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Aug 17, 2012, titled So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

What makes hate, well, hate? Given that today is something of a quiet news day, it may be nice to give ourselves a breather and think about some things.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at lezgetreal.com.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17806 Jan 10, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
"Accept me or burn in fire for a million times a billion times a trillion years...and then some."
Your god is a needy psychopath...
i bet you rebelled against your parents didn't you?
your attitude is that of a Juvenile delinqent.

you hate authority, you hate instruction.......so because God requires YOUR acting like a moral decent person who obeys benefical laws, that BENEFIT YOU, you choose to hate God.
I do believe that falls under the title of 'FOOL'.

He holds your life in His hand, and you think it is wise to mock God and throw hate toward God?
He offers you blessings beyond measure and eternal hope and you choose to blaspheme and hate Him? how stupid is that?

so don't whine when you reap what you sow.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17807 Jan 10, 2013
nathanielornament wrote:
<quoted text>
You know no such thing for a fact
My moral compass is connected internally as yours ought to be (as an adult)...putting aside for a moment the issue of a soul being inately good or bad....children learn right from wrong....usually from adults around them & from thinking about their experiences to reason things out, but most of all from compassion/empathy for others....this is 'internalised' giving us our sense of morality....ppl who believe in God either project this onto their Deity or have to rely on a rulebook....some of those things ought to be obvious anyway..eg. murder
If religious ppl are more moral then tell that to all those kids who have been abused (in whatever way) by 'religious' ppl & tell that to all the victims of crime....what you reckon there are no Christians in prisons
ppl dont have to follow God to do good things....there are plenty of charity workers etc who are not followers....its called compassion & empathy..........& failing to utilise ones moral compass results in guilt/feeling bad becuz you know what youve done is wrong & or youve hurt someone else.....the punishment of a conscious is immediate you dont have to wait for a judgement day or be relieved of it simply by confessing
Youre generalising about atheists & Christians.....some of each group are selfish & condone whats in your opinion (& it is just your opinion even tho you claim its Gods) bad things...just as some from each group dont..........are you trying to say no Christian has ever committed adultry or had an abortion....really, please!
you are incorrect.
before God ever Gave the written law, cain killed his brother able
and the bible says, without being taught of the law, cain KNEW that murder was a sin against God and wrong.
and a moral compass is that which is connected to the author of morality. GOD. the creator of all things. NOT you and NOT me.
you might consider something right
and someone else consider it wrong.
morality is not changable. what was right and wrong in the begining of time, IS STILL right and wrong today.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17808 Jan 10, 2013
ROCCO wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.glaad.org/blog/court-lgbt-people-u...
This case isn’t simply about Lively’s “hate preach.” He long ago moved beyond “mere” hatemongering when he became a kind of persecution consultant, strategizing with influential leaders and cohorts in other countries about ways to further silence and remove LGBT people from basic protections of the law, in particular by criminalizing their advocacy. Persecution, defined as the “severe deprivation of fundamental rights” on the basis of identity, is a crime under international law; to be exact, it’s a “crime against humanity.” This deprivation of fundamental rights of LGBT communities is exactly what Lively aims to bring about. Under U.S. law, foreign citizens who are the victims of crimes against humanity can sue American perpetrators of such crimes. And so Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) is suing Scott Lively for persecuting them. Staff from SMUG and other LGBT advocates who have suffered persecution --arrests, raids, and other severe deprivations of basic rights --will be there on Monday, when the Center for Constitutional Rights will have the honor of representing them in court.”
wow. I do believe gays are far worse bigots than anyone else is.

calling the teaching of the bible as 'hate speech' is the height of bigotry as far as i am concerned.

I suppose you would have him jailed for his free speech.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17810 Jan 10, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is telling you to not have your beliefs, so why are you attacking atheists? People are only telling you not to force your personal beliefs on them.
I am not attacking anyone.
every time i state my position from a biblical stand point it is the atheist who attack the God I love, the bible i trust, and my free speech right to exercise my faith openly.

you have every right not to agree with me,
but you don't have a right to make personal attacks on me because of my faith.

Since: Apr 09

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#17811 Jan 10, 2013
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
i bet you rebelled against your parents didn't you?
your attitude is that of a Juvenile delinqent.
you hate authority, you hate instruction.......so because God requires YOUR acting like a moral decent person who obeys benefical laws, that BENEFIT YOU, you choose to hate God.
I do believe that falls under the title of 'FOOL'.
He holds your life in His hand, and you think it is wise to mock God and throw hate toward God?
He offers you blessings beyond measure and eternal hope and you choose to blaspheme and hate Him? how stupid is that?
so don't whine when you reap what you sow.
I love my parents quite dearly, and they love me. Never rebelled any more than anyone else. I'm moral and decent and obey all the laws of man.

I don't hate any god any more than I hate unicorns - because they don't exist.

Any negative comments I made were about the god YOU believe in because you seem to think that an all powerful, all knowing, purely perfect being would create a system whereby billions of his creations would suffer eternal torment for the mere transgression of not believing.

The god you describe, Patty, is a needy psychopath.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17812 Jan 10, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even think of what you're saying before you type it and hit send, Pattypig?
to be honest i shouldn't of sent that one.

I am human, and it is hard not to sometimes slip up and respond incorrectly when being confronted with hatemongers and demonic attacks.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17813 Jan 10, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
Any you read? You said everyone who says a name on a public site is a stalker. You went out of your way to "find out" a user's name, then posted it on this public forum.
You are, by your definition, a stalker, and you are invading another's privacy. And don't go trying to lie again about how you, Patricia Hadley, never said your name here, when HL has proof of it. You offered your information, it was already out in public. You now just posted personal and private information without the poster allowing that information on this site. Therefore, you are the one breaking the law at the moment.
The only difference is that no one cares what his name is, because he's nice and honest. You, on the other hand, are vile, and so others like knowing your name, for they can put a name to the vileness that is you.
YOU are a liar.

i didn't go out of my way, HE freely gave his name to someone he was complaining to, and that person FREELY gave it to me.
so i would know who my stalker is.

i didn't have to go out of my way.
if i were you, i would stay out of it, unless you want to be dragged into it.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17814 Jan 10, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
You just said earlier that one who is a real Christian fears for other people and the danger of them going to hell, yet you are WISHING and HOPING that we go to hell. By your own definition, you are not a Christian, you yourself are a devil worshipper.
you are perportrating lies here.
i never said i hoped or wished any such thing.

if you can't talk to me WITHOUT the hatefulness and WITHOUT putting words in my mouth, then please don't bother to post me.
ROCCO

Twentynine Palms, CA

#17815 Jan 10, 2013
Peace-Love-Happiness wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it funny that she intended to expose boooots and ended up exposing her own lie.
That is about as convincing as DNA!

But it likely won't stop her deceit.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17816 Jan 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. you just crossed the line from private to public by revealing Boooots' true name ..
.. you also revealed another poster's real name on Topix ..
.. I would encourage them to file a joint lawsuit against you ..
.. Boooots is not stalking you nor is there a "state cyber stalking network" ..
HAHAHA the difference is I DIDN'T GO looking or prying for it.
boots FREELY gave it to the one he was complaining to, and THEY freely gave it to me.
big difference between someone SEEKING and someone RECEIVING.

and no i did not ever reveal anyone elses name on topix.
you lie.

sorry, but i have talked to those people myself and you don't call dispatch where only emergency calls are to be received to complain that a total stranger (in another country) is opposing SSM on a internet topix board and there fore they should be considered crazy, without the authorities knowing the caller is MENTALLY OFF.
They KNOW he is calling from out of the country
they KNOW he has a mental history
they KNOW he has no personal ties with pattycake
AND they KNOW now his posts are anything but rational.
and if he continues to bother them, and persue attacks on pattycake
they said he would be turned over to the state investigation for cyber stalking.

If you can't come on here and discuss issues and handle opposing views, then you don't need to be on here.
these personal attacks are gonna stop.
when you file a report ESPECIALLY a false report on someone, that someone has the right to know where the report came from.
so we know now.
and i will tell you the same thing i told him, taking these discussions in a personal direction never ends well.

you can't attack people personally simply because they oppose you on something and you don't like how they feel.
as for your suggestion of a law suit, that would never fly because there are far to many posts where proof is given.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17817 Jan 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. you just crossed the line from private to public by revealing Boooots' true name ..
.. you also revealed another poster's real name on Topix ..
.. I would encourage them to file a joint lawsuit against you ..
.. Boooots is not stalking you nor is there a "state cyber stalking network" ..
yes there is a state network for cyber stalking.
there absolutely is.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#17818 Jan 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. you support someone who advocates another holocaust -, Scot Lively ..
thats your wraped opinion.
i have never heard that man ever state he wanted people harmed.

you think that about EVERYONE who opposes it.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#17819 Jan 10, 2013
ROCCO wrote:
<quoted text>
//////////REPORTED//////////AB USE//////////INCITEMENT/////// ///
you can know that ALL posts are being monitored NOW.
ROCCO

Twentynine Palms, CA

#17820 Jan 10, 2013
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
wow. I do believe gays are far worse bigots than anyone else is.
calling the teaching of the bible as 'hate speech' is the height of bigotry as far as i am concerned.
I suppose you would have him jailed for his free speech.
Just what I predicted from you. You didn't read it, and/or if you did, you remain unable to comprehend.

And unwilling to remove the bolts that bind your mind.

This case isn’t simply about Lively’s “hate preach.” He long ago moved beyond “mere” hatemongering when he became a kind of persecution consultant, strategizing with influential leaders and cohorts in other countries about ways to further silence and remove LGBT people from basic protections of the law, in particular by criminalizing their advocacy. Persecution, defined as the “severe deprivation of fundamental rights” on the basis of identity, is a crime under international law; to be exact, it’s a “crime against humanity.” This deprivation of fundamental rights of LGBT communities is exactly what Lively aims to bring about. Under U.S. law, foreign citizens who are the victims of crimes against humanity can sue American perpetrators of such crimes. And so Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) is suing Scott Lively for persecuting them. Staff from SMUG and other LGBT advocates who have suffered persecution --arrests, raids, and other severe deprivations of basic rights --will be there on Monday, when the Center for Constitutional Rights will have the honor of representing them in court.”

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#17821 Jan 10, 2013
ROCCO wrote:
<quoted text>
Patricia can't control all her socks. Even though she's logged on as United in faith, Yellodog and Pattiecake58 chime in and overrule her persona of the moment.
Too many people trying to live in her head and her trailer at the same time.
LOL

you are grasping at thin air rocco.

but then whatever it takes to justify your ill-mannered behavior, right?

why do you want to come across on here as so nasty and rude?
is my opposition to your belief on this issue such a threat to what you claim you know is perfectly ok, that you have to lash out with insults and rudeness to make your points?

CHILL OUT.
you can get your point across without the meanness.
Nevada Smith

Las Vegas, NV

#17822 Jan 10, 2013
DEFENDING INNOCENCE

Grooming kids in a 'gay' identity

Published: 07/15/2012 at 2:39 PM

Yet we have turned a blind eye to the same betrayal happening every day to thousands of children in our schools and communities. We should be outraged at the routine “grooming” of children in our schools to become victims of homosexual pedophilia. How are our kids being blithely set up to accept victimization when it happens?

It happens by calling it something other than what it is and by tying it up in a bow and putting a happy, rainbow face on it. The “nice” name for this horrifying manipulation is “tolerance.” Now, even grade-school children are learning that only hateful people object when any elementary-schooler, middle-schooler or high-school student adopts a “gay” identity.

And, here’s the seldom-examined corollary: The activists pushing this give many unchallenged messages to these kids, both in schools and outside, that they not only may, but they have a right to “choose” a same-sex partner of any age. With no fear of pregnancy, this faux “consent” offer can be extended to younger and younger kids.

So, the engraved invitation has been sent to untold numbers of pedophiles and pederasts. School “non-discrimination” policies on “sexual orientation” keep that door open and all protectors of children at arm’s length. The National Education Association has numerous policies supporting the “safe”(read: unchallenged) expression of homosexual behavior by children in schools. These are often pushed by its “GLBT” Teachers’ Caucus.

Schools feel the increasing presence, whether they like it or not, of advocacy groups like the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN, and the Human Rights Campaign. The newest campaigns of both these groups is to reach elementary students. If we cooperate, it’s easy for some children to become targets.

Adults may approach them, and they won’t realize it’s not only outrageous, but illegal. It may be a coach or assistant coach. It may be the college student who was the invited speaker at your school’s “gay-straight alliance” meeting. It may be a 24 year old you met as a 12 year old when your school’s homosexual club marched in the town’s pride parade, carrying the school banner to support “LGBT” youth.

No one will draw boundaries that used to be clear. Why? New regulatory permission has been accepted by those who have bought the lie that people are born this way. There’s also fear of the real possibility of being labeled a “homophobe” or much worse: receiving death threats, losing one’s job and being put on an official enemies’ list by the Southern Poverty Law Center or others.(All these things now happen routinely.) The straight, male dads, granddads and protectors of our youth have been lulled into submission by a vicious and unaccountable “gay” lobby with a track record of tearing the personal lives of opponents apart.
Nevada Smith

Las Vegas, NV

#17823 Jan 10, 2013
The aggressors have leftist judges on their side, a complicit media, Hollywood, the teachers’ unions, even the federal Department of Education under its misleading “anti-bullying” programs. Those who point to the pro-homosexual nature of these recommendations are falsely impugned as being “pro-bullying.”

And, of course, there’s Barack Obama, who appointed Kevin Jennings, founder of GLSEN, to a high position in the Department of Education. Jennings left last year, but his deceptive legacy continues. Also, the pedophile lobby is trying to establish credibility and its own “rights” campaign, including the delusion that children are not necessarily harmed by adult sexual contact.

It goes beyond schools. The Boy Scouts have stood firmly to keep open homosexuals from becoming leaders, to minimize the chances of this happening, although it now has one board member pressuring the group to drop this protection. The Girl Scouts are not so kind. They are active proponents of “LGBT” identity politics and allow open homosexuals to lead local girl groups.

And we complain about Penn State? The unreported molestations facilitated daily by the “gay” lobby’s insistence on access to children must surely dwarf anything done by Jerry Sandusky, horrific as his actions were.

One of the most troubling and unchallenged trends is the growing number of community-based “gay” groups for youth. Virtually every large town has at least one now, and they pride themselves on “confidential” services. This means parent-free access to kids as young as 11 or 12, who are allowed to socialize with older youth and adult homosexuals and then leave the premises to continue whatever grooming activity took place on site.

One former attendee has publicized what went on at his group in Maine, including predatory behavior by adults. Now, five years later, this young man wants to recant his story and is even suing one brave pro-family leader, Brian Camenker, who refuses to take the previously offered testimony down from the Mass Resistance website. Why? Because it’s critical to get the truth about these centers out to the public.

Over the years, I have heard tales of sex between kids in the restrooms, drug use and, of course, access to porn on computers. There are also accounts of teen-adult “hook-ups” in some nonfiction books published for “gay” youth.

Yet many of these centers are the off-site gathering places for local middle- and high-school “gay-straight alliance” kids and sometimes receive funding from reputable groups like the United Way and Kiwanis.

As bad as heterosexual molestation is, it isn’t being packaged as the natural outgrowth of a “right,” an element of “social justice.” Same-sex molestation has always been easier to facilitate in venues for children, since children and adults of the same sex do sometimes use the same restrooms, go on camp outs and – as we saw with Sandusky – shower in the same facilities. Access is easier, and the blind eye we are turning due to the repositioning of truth by the “gay” lobby is making the risk greater than ever.

What’s the answer? Recapture our once clear sense of judgment about the immorality of all homosexual behavior and stop promoting sexual activity to kids, period. Until we do that, we will continue to have school-enabled, adult-ignored homosexual seduction and the despair it is producing in vulnerable, precious kids every single day in America.

If we fail to act, we are all Graham Spaniers now.
ROCCO

Twentynine Palms, CA

#17824 Jan 10, 2013
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are a liar.
i didn't go out of my way, HE freely gave his name to someone he was complaining to, and that person FREELY gave it to me.
so i would know who my stalker is.
i didn't have to go out of my way.
if i were you, i would stay out of it, unless you want to be dragged into it.
His consent WAS NOT given to post his name on an internet forum, nor was it proper for his name to have been released to you, especially when the "report" was regarding someone who you claim not to be: Pattiecake. You are UIF, and (sans some legal relationship between you and her, ahem) it would be inappropriate for any agency to release a report to you IN WHICH ***you*** have no stake or standing.**You** were not being stalked, but even if you believe you were, that is admission that you are, indeed, both Pattiecake58 and Yellodog using a 3rd ID.

You are a hatemonger.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#17825 Jan 10, 2013
DEFENDING INNOCENCE

Grooming kids in a 'gay' identity

Published: 07/15/2012 at 2:39 PM

Yet we have turned a blind eye to the same betrayal happening every day to thousands of children in our schools and communities. We should be outraged at the routine “grooming” of children in our schools to become victims of homosexual pedophilia. How are our kids being blithely set up to accept victimization when it happens?

It happens by calling it something other than what it is and by tying it up in a bow and putting a happy, rainbow face on it. The “nice” name for this horrifying manipulation is “tolerance.” Now, even grade-school children are learning that only hateful people object when any elementary-schooler, middle-schooler or high-school student adopts a “gay” identity.

And, here’s the seldom-examined corollary: The activists pushing this give many unchallenged messages to these kids, both in schools and outside, that they not only may, but they have a right to “choose” a same-sex partner of any age. With no fear of pregnancy, this faux “consent” offer can be extended to younger and younger kids.

So, the engraved invitation has been sent to untold numbers of pedophiles and pederasts. School “non-discrimination” policies on “sexual orientation” keep that door open and all protectors of children at arm’s length. The National Education Association has numerous policies supporting the “safe”(read: unchallenged) expression of homosexual behavior by children in schools. These are often pushed by its “GLBT” Teachers’ Caucus.

Schools feel the increasing presence, whether they like it or not, of advocacy groups like the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN, and the Human Rights Campaign. The newest campaigns of both these groups is to reach elementary students. If we cooperate, it’s easy for some children to become targets.

Adults may approach them, and they won’t realize it’s not only outrageous, but illegal. It may be a coach or assistant coach. It may be the college student who was the invited speaker at your school’s “gay-straight alliance” meeting. It may be a 24 year old you met as a 12 year old when your school’s homosexual club marched in the town’s pride parade, carrying the school banner to support “LGBT” youth.

No one will draw boundaries that used to be clear. Why? New regulatory permission has been accepted by those who have bought the lie that people are born this way. There’s also fear of the real possibility of being labeled a “homophobe” or much worse: receiving death threats, losing one’s job and being put on an official enemies’ list by the Southern Poverty Law Center or others.(All these things now happen routinely.) The straight, male dads, granddads and protectors of our youth have been lulled into submission by a vicious and unaccountable “gay” lobby with a track record of tearing the personal lives of opponents apart.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#17826 Jan 10, 2013
The aggressors have leftist judges on their side, a complicit media, Hollywood, the teachers’ unions, even the federal Department of Education under its misleading “anti-bullying” programs. Those who point to the pro-homosexual nature of these recommendations are falsely impugned as being “pro-bullying.”

And, of course, there’s Barack Obama, who appointed Kevin Jennings, founder of GLSEN, to a high position in the Department of Education. Jennings left last year, but his deceptive legacy continues. Also, the pedophile lobby is trying to establish credibility and its own “rights” campaign, including the delusion that children are not necessarily harmed by adult sexual contact.

It goes beyond schools. The Boy Scouts have stood firmly to keep open homosexuals from becoming leaders, to minimize the chances of this happening, although it now has one board member pressuring the group to drop this protection. The Girl Scouts are not so kind. They are active proponents of “LGBT” identity politics and allow open homosexuals to lead local girl groups.

And we complain about Penn State? The unreported molestations facilitated daily by the “gay” lobby’s insistence on access to children must surely dwarf anything done by Jerry Sandusky, horrific as his actions were.

One of the most troubling and unchallenged trends is the growing number of community-based “gay” groups for youth. Virtually every large town has at least one now, and they pride themselves on “confidential” services. This means parent-free access to kids as young as 11 or 12, who are allowed to socialize with older youth and adult homosexuals and then leave the premises to continue whatever grooming activity took place on site.

One former attendee has publicized what went on at his group in Maine, including predatory behavior by adults. Now, five years later, this young man wants to recant his story and is even suing one brave pro-family leader, Brian Camenker, who refuses to take the previously offered testimony down from the Mass Resistance website. Why? Because it’s critical to get the truth about these centers out to the public.

Over the years, I have heard tales of sex between kids in the restrooms, drug use and, of course, access to porn on computers. There are also accounts of teen-adult “hook-ups” in some nonfiction books published for “gay” youth.

Yet many of these centers are the off-site gathering places for local middle- and high-school “gay-straight alliance” kids and sometimes receive funding from reputable groups like the United Way and Kiwanis.

As bad as heterosexual molestation is, it isn’t being packaged as the natural outgrowth of a “right,” an element of “social justice.” Same-sex molestation has always been easier to facilitate in venues for children, since children and adults of the same sex do sometimes use the same restrooms, go on camp outs and – as we saw with Sandusky – shower in the same facilities. Access is easier, and the blind eye we are turning due to the repositioning of truth by the “gay” lobby is making the risk greater than ever.

What’s the answer? Recapture our once clear sense of judgment about the immorality of all homosexual behavior and stop promoting sexual activity to kids, period. Until we do that, we will continue to have school-enabled, adult-ignored homosexual seduction and the despair it is producing in vulnerable, precious kids every single day in America.

If we fail to act, we are all Graham Spaniers now.

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