So, What Is It That The Anti-Gay Groups Actually Fear?

Aug 17, 2012 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

What makes hate, well, hate? Given that today is something of a quiet news day, it may be nice to give ourselves a breather and think about some things.

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UIF, I think you are a little confused. That is the first set of laws that you say that ever existed, but they are relatively recent as was stated or written in a book of only a few thousands years ago. Man had laws man thousands of years before that statement was ever made.
Perhaps some of these arguments that go on and on are just best left to understand that neither you nor the other person is ever going to agree because neither of you were alive at the beginning of time nor were you alive when the books from which you take those sayings and laws were written, so neither you nor they know for sure how they came about. It is a no win argument.
Today we all have to first answer to the laws of whatever place we reside. If these laws differ from our own personal beliefs we have a choice of breaking them or following them and not liking that fact, but still we will be held accountable while we are alive to only the laws of whatever governments we are living under.
thing is the earlist laws on record are the laws of God.

nothing preceeds Gen 1

show me any laws prior to Moses and Abraham that are established in records for man to see today.

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you still don't get it. You can't fire someone for having an opinion boots.
Not in America.
its called FREE SPEECH.
and here in the good old U.S.A people are very much allowed to have what ever opinions and thoughts they want to.
you can't make people all think alike unless you are robots.
and this isn't a socialist or communist country.
yet.
Maybe theoretically you can't fire someone 'for having an opinion' but a person who is in a position of some authority or prestige, which requires that he performs his job with no bias towards individuals, such as a cop, who makes a general statement that gays should be sent to Uganda, to be murdered (or implied as such), then he will be perceived as unfit to serve, because he cannot be open-minded about people he will have to deal with during his work.

If he states that he thinks gays should be murdered, how much trust do you think a gay person is going to place in him if, for example the gay person sees a crime being committed and maybe thinks the police should be called, but he doesn't want to call that cop because of his attitude? People in those positions learn to keep their traps shut when matters of personal opinions about groups of people they might not like, if they want to stay working, that is.

People do lose their jobs for those kinds of things, and in your country especially.

If there is a trial by jury, and the juror candidates are being interviewed by the lawyers, if one of them has a client who is gay, and one of the jurors, if asked about his opinions about homosexuals, states he thinks they are evil and should be sent to Uganda, he will be excused from jury duty.

That is one clear case where people are all the time told they can't do something due to their personal opinions.

Even when we are not actually losing jobs or positions on juries, for opinions stated, we are still being categorized by everyone who hears about what we do, for anti-social opinions such as that cop stated.

No man is an island, and we are known, rightly or wrongly, by how others see us.

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Maybe this whole train of thought can end, if rather than stating that you are not that other poster, that you prove to those who insist that you are not that you are not her.
Perhaps by taking on your own arguments rather than fighting Yellodog's for her, you will be less stressed. After all Yellodog appeared to be quite capable of fighting her own fights, since she kept at it for nearly 4 years and posted well over 50,000 times.
Because you keep trying to justify what Yellodog/Pattiecake58 did or didn't do, I think people keep harping about they think you are Yellodog. So show them you are not.
Yellodog, for example, had a below average education, for this site, and a particularly bad grasp of a lot of common English words and expressions. Some of these were why she was so recognizable and how when she started posting as Pattiecake58 that people picked up so quickly that she was the same person.
I assume, though you have some of the same history as Yellodog does, having both moved from Ohio to RS Kentucky, that you haven't done everything else exactly the same as she has, so likely you have a better education, as most people younger than me went on much further in school than Yellodog did, and I suspect you are much younger than her and likely have had university education; maybe even a couple university degrees. Sorry if you already told us what education you have as I either missed seeing it or forgot.
seriously?
there is no way to prove i am not her, other than reveal personal info, and we all see what that leads to.
so it is a matter of 'take it or leave it' as far as i am concerned.
and i am fighting my own fight here.
which is to condemn the actions of those who violate peoples privacy.

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correction: gay men are born with the same EQUIPMENT males are born with. they are attracted to men, because something is not 'right' in their thinking.
Please cite one legitimate medical or psychological organization in the world that agrees with your bizarre diagnosis of homosexuals.

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I am not gay, UIF, and I condone SSM. In fact I want to see it come in, and sooner than later, because Canada has it and I don't want Canadians to start thinking that Americans are so backward because they want to stay back in the days of their American Revolution. I also have relatives that live in the USA, and some of my relatives came from the USA to Canada, and I don't want them to feel bad about the USA because some people there are so backward.
I have a first cousin, my mom's oldest brother's oldest daughter, who married an American from California around 10 or 11 years ago and has since lived in California, and I don't want her to be mistaken for a gay basher, and to get hurt because some gays and some homophobes get into a ruckus over some homophobes abusing some gays.
that is kind of a weak reason don't you think?

if you are not gay, and it does not (as you say) bother your life in any way, then what do you care about what canadians think about America?

it is not backward thinking to subscribe to a moral code boots.
i think it is more honest to say,'misery loves company'.

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The only thing they're confused about is why people hate them for being born gay.(This is where you stick YOUR head in the sand).
The reason people hide it is because of the fear being disowned by lousy parents and friends, or getting killed or attacked by murderous-minded persons such as yourself, and those who think they don't deserve jobs or housing,(or breathing) much less marriage.
no one HATES them.
and it is your personal opinion they are born gay.
certainly not a science fact.
and with no genetic gene, and with many EX gays
it is more certain you are not born gay.
no more than you are born a baptist.

God gives you a mind, a conscience and FREE WILL to chose.
just because you find yourself attracted to something or tempted by it, isn't cause enough to say it is something you SHOULD do.

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However, UIF, in the USA, all 100% of your citizens are protected by American laws, and guaranteed under your constitution to equal treatment under the law. That includes everybody no matter what sex organs they have or what feelings they have about sex.
The only time they contravene the law is when they use those parts or those feelings to break the laws of the land. How the use of those things might break God's law or God's heart is irrelevant to American law, and can't be considered, except by an individual in his own mind as to how he wants to live his own life.
What both you and Yellodog and several other posters have been doing here, is advocating that gays should not have equal rights under the law, and that is actually a criminal act, though people seem to keep getting away with it under your Freedom of Speech laws, which are actually being misunderstood when applied in that way.
Freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to place other people in danger due to what they say. It just means that people, as in some countries, cannot go to prison for saying things, that might be counter to what the government at the time wants to hear.
I just saw a headline come up at the top of this site about a blogger in Iran dying in prison in November, and the top of the cyber crimes unit of their police there has been fired because it appears that his people may have tortured this guy in prison, just because he has expressed opinions on a web site that the government or the police didn't like.
That is an example of what happens when people lose their freedom of speech. But also when people using their freedom of speech advocate that a certain group in the population should be demonized because of what they are, then they are actually advocating that these people could and should be harmed, which is a crime.
being treated equally in a humane way has no bearing on LAWS that are put in place.

do you think our constitution states everyone has a RIGHT to drive a car?
it doesn't. driving is a privalge you earn by passing a test and not loosing your license by breaking driving laws.
do you think our constitution states everyone has a RIGHT to work?
it doesn't.
you earn the right to work by applying and being qualified to work.

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think of it this way.
how many differnet kingdoms do you think have risen and fallen since the time of Moses and Abraham's time?
A lot.
and were the laws of God not in place BEFORE and AFTER those nations came and went?
there will be people who abide with God
and there will be people who won't.
thats how it has always been.
Moses and Abraham are fictional characters from religious books, and IMO, and in the opinion of many authorities on these issues, never existed. As far as God's law existing prior, we haven't established that God exists, so no it didn't exist prior to anything, but let's assume that God did exist, then He would have had his own ideas, but man has always created the laws which man has placed on the books at any particular time.

Whether man stated that God did or he did it, it was still man who wrote and enforced the alws.

If I might ask a special favor, UIF, please stop asking me questions which assumes that I accept your belief that a god exists, because I don't believe one does, so it is just making more words unnecessary here.

What God did or didn't do anyway is irrelevant to the issue of what anti-gay groups fear.

We are here to discuss what gay groups fear, not what they believe about God.

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you still don't get it. You can't fire someone for having an opinion boots.
Not in America.
its called FREE SPEECH.
and here in the good old U.S.A people are very much allowed to have what ever opinions and thoughts they want to.
you can't make people all think alike unless you are robots.
and this isn't a socialist or communist country.
yet.
Sure you can fire someone for their opinions in America ! Where have you been ?!

"Right to work" laws in most of the states allow an amployer to fire ANYONE for ANY reason at ANY time, or for NO reason at all.

The protections of teh First Amendment apply almost exclusively to government action, NOT actions by individuals, nor non-government organizations such as companies, corporations, private clubs, and similar things.

Study a little law !

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United in faith wrote:
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thing is the earlist laws on record are the laws of God.
nothing preceeds Gen 1
show me any laws prior to Moses and Abraham that are established in records for man to see today.
That will have to be your opinion, because Genesis has been considered to be entirely mythical, and it was written only a few thousand years ago, and there are lots of people and records which preceded it. If you are stating that Genesis means the beginning of time, then that is just a misunderstanding of the difference between when a book was authored and what you think it means.

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That's a good answer, Patty, but I think the point was that you're claiming marriage standards should be determined by God and not everyone believes in God. God doesn't determine our laws and, therefore, shouldn't be involved in deciding who our country allows to marry.


oh my gosh.
you don't even try.

morality surpasses mans laws.

"Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, " we ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29

the made abortion legal.
but in the eyes of God it is murder.
punishable by God as murder.

if they passed a law to legalize anything concerned morally wrong, it would still be wrong regardless of mans law.

my point to you is that God always has the last word.

how many kingdoms have risen and fallen since the begining of time?
and who's law has stayed in place without change or fail?

If America GOD FORBID should fall tomorrow and be no more, God's law would still be in place and would still be what man will be judged by in the end.

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seriously?
there is no way to prove i am not her, other than reveal personal info, and we all see what that leads to.
so it is a matter of 'take it or leave it' as far as i am concerned.
and i am fighting my own fight here.
which is to condemn the actions of those who violate peoples privacy.
Perhaps the rest of us want to get on with the topic of this thread rather than argue your personal issues, or Yellodogs personal issues.

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seriously?
there is no way to prove i am not her, other than reveal personal info, and we all see what that leads to.
so it is a matter of 'take it or leave it' as far as i am concerned.
and i am fighting my own fight here.
which is to condemn the actions of those who violate peoples privacy.
I should have added, that there likely are thousands of ways of proving that you and Yellodog, are not the same person. Since you are not the same person, there will be lots of things that would show that without you disclosing any personal information about yourself at all.

I am wondering why you want people to keep hassling you about something that is untrue?

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Listen here, you evil cow...I have NEVER said that ss is "ok" with God. You keep insisting it, but that doesn't make it so. Just because I believe in someone's right to equality under the government, doesn't mean I condone something in my own life or heart. I don't smoke pot, but I think it should be decriminalized. I don't drink alcohol, but other citizens should maintain their right to drink it. I don't have sex out of wedlock, but I'm not suggesting *you* be put in jail for doing so. Whatever floats your fat boat.
If you don't SHUT YOUR TRAP about ME and things YOU CLAIM I have said or mean, I'll start sharing more details from your saucy past.
evil cow? you listen up, you are on here PROMOTING it.
if you were told to go vote on it tomorrow you would vote yes because you have said many times over you think people should be allowed to have SSM under mans law.
so if you think it, if you vote it, if you condone that right, if you are here telling folks they SHOULD be allowed to have SSM and you are NOT telling folks the dangers of it, then you are for it.
just because you are not gay yourself, doesn't mean jack.
if you support their right to legalize it, then YOU ARE FOR IT.
you can't be both.

what idiot would know SS is wrong in the eyes of God but get on a public board and fight on the side of gays to have it their way?
a LUKEWARM, MIDDLE OF THE FENCE, CONFUSED, WORLDLY MINDED, WISHYWASHY person.

you either stand with God or you stand with the world
why do you think He said, you can not serve two masters at the same time?

you are pro-gay.
otherwise you would be fighting for God's cause, not theirs.

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United in faith wrote:
oh my gosh.
you don't even try.
morality surpasses mans laws.
Of course, nothing about allowing equal protection of the law for same sex couples to legally marry affects you or the religious moral code you CLAIM to live by. In reality, you have illustrated yourself to be a hypocrite, time and time again.

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Is that a threat?
according to the bible it is.
God says if you are neither hot or cold but lukewarm He will vomit you out of His mouth.

so yes i guess God is presenting it as a threat/warning.

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That's because you are using the term for the wrong situation.
MOERON.
UH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO back to back term is used just like the neck to neck term is used.

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that is kind of a weak reason don't you think?
if you are not gay, and it does not (as you say) bother your life in any way, then what do you care about what canadians think about America?
it is not backward thinking to subscribe to a moral code boots.
i think it is more honest to say,'misery loves company'.
The answer to the question you asked, was in the post that you asked the question about, which I clearly stated.

In summary though, the USA is the world leader today due to having the most powerful military and political position. For that reason, all other countries, in the world fear and/or respect the USA. Yet the USA, in spite of its power, much like as the Soviet Union when it existed, and Communist China still, were/are feared but hated, because of their backward practices, the USA has an extremely bad reputation in much of the world for having such backward social problems relative to other countries of similar background.

Some day that bad reputation will only hurt the USA. Actually it is hurting it today, but the hurt will increase the longer than the USA maintains some of its long outdated practices.

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You must be fluent in Greek and Hebrew to know that. Were you raised in one or the other or both countries where those languages are spoken, or did you study them in the USA? I was not aware that those languages are common courses in the USA, though I know that French, Latin, and likely Spanish, are as French and Latin are taught here, especially French as it is one of our country's official languages.
My wife has a friend on another floor in our building who speaks Greek, those she is actually Armenian by background, though I think she may have come here from Greece. English is not her native language. We have a fairly active Greek community in this city which gets quite involved a couple times a year in cultural events, which I have attended a few times.
Because I live in what once was one of the largest GM Canadian cities (I mean that GM was a big thing here, not that the city is large - we had a lot of people building cars and parts for cars for GM) we have a lot of different ethnic groups here than came to work in the factories.
Have you worked in jobs as a translator, say at embassies around the world etc. A friend who died last year of cancer had a daughter who since university has worked in the Caribbean and South America in Canadian embassies because she studied Spanish in university and went to Spain to study for her last year of university specifically so she could get that kind of a job.
I have an excellent reference (Concordanance) with supplys both Hebrew and Greek. I am seriously contemplating learning Hebrew through a program being offered.

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no one HATES them.
and it is your personal opinion they are born gay.
certainly not a science fact.
and with no genetic gene, and with many EX gays
it is more certain you are not born gay.
no more than you are born a baptist.
God gives you a mind, a conscience and FREE WILL to chose.
just because you find yourself attracted to something or tempted by it, isn't cause enough to say it is something you SHOULD do.
UIF, whether it is a proven science fact, or has yet to be discovered what causes homosexuality, it is a condition that exists, and in very few cases by choice, though everyone has a choice about how they exercise their orientation. Your opinion, which doesn't seem to be backed by anything official really doesn't affect what is actually true.

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