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Boris

Stary Oskol, Russia

#4 Jan 15, 2013
The Lone Gunmen wrote:
The organization introduced into court evidence including death threats, extensive vandalism, threats of destruction of property, arson and threats of arson, intimidating emails and phone calls, mailed envelopes containing suspicious white powders, blacklists, loss of employment and job opportunities, gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry including vandalism at religious institution "all for doing nothing more than standing up for traditional marriage."
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Settle's opinion, however, said he didn't think there was a "reasonable probability" the threats still exist for the signers as nearly two years have passed since the referendum was submitted to voters.
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Protect Marriage Washington attorney Stephen Pidgeon said the decision was a "dramatic setback to the right of privacy in the state of Washington. There were death threats, acts of violence, harassment and published declarations that there would be harassment. The court erred."
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The Referendum 71 effort was in response to the Washington state legislature's adoption of its "everything but marriage" act . Lawmakers granted virtually all rights of "marriage" to homosexual and lesbian duos.
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Scott also issued a statement that Judge Settle's decision was disappointing.
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"Extremists issued multiple death threats to me and my children due to my being publicly questioned about my personal beliefs. I am greatly concerned for both the safety and the freedom of speech of those who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman, a definition that Americans have upheld in every state that has put it on the ballot."
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When the dispute was at the Supreme Court, the justices ruled that the names generally should be public, but there could be exceptions when there are threats. Settle said that the plaintiffs in the case already were known as referendum supporters and none was really concerned that their personally identifying information was available.
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But critics of the judge, a former general private practice attorney, noted that in order to introduce evidence to the court about the threats, the names of the threat victims were, in fact, forced into the public arena.
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Attorney James Bopp of the James Madison Center has explained that the issue is more than just the revelation of some names. It is, he said, "that some groups and individuals, certainly a minority, have resorted to advancing their cause, not by debating the merits of the issue but by discouraging participation in the democratic process itself.
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"The First Amendment was designed to ensure that all groups, whatever their persuasion, could participate fully in our republic," he said. "That breaks down when some groups or individuals are cowed into silence for fear that they or their families will be targeted or threatened if they speak up."
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Part of the issue, too, was that the Washington issue got the public's attention only a short time after voters in California simply reversed a same-sex "marriage" mandate by that state's Supreme Court, defining in their constitution that marriage is between one man and one woman only.
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A homosexual judge later overturned that law, and the fight remains in the courts.
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But actual threats that were documented included:
* "I'm going to kill the pastor."
* "If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter…"
* "We're going to kill you."
* "You're dead. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon … you're dead."
* "I'm a gay guy who owns guns, and he's my next target."
* "I warn you, I know how to kill, I'm an ex-special forces person."
* "Get ready for retribution all you bigots."
* Burn their f---ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers."
Very informative, thanks for sharing!
Worm

Miami, FL

#6 Jan 15, 2013
Gay Group who call themselves "Angry Queers’: Christians are ‘scum,’ deserve ‘hammers through their windows’

Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:01 EST
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Tags: angry queers, hate crimes, mars hill church, oregon



Warning: This story includes vulgar language as quoted in an e-mail from an extremist homosexual rights group.

PORTLAND, OREGON, April 27, 2012, The group that allegedly smashed up a Portland church hopes its “small act of vengeance will strike fear into the hearts of” Christian leaders who teach traditional sexual morality, according to an e-mail message the group released to the public.

A group calling itself “Angry Queers” has claimed responsibility for throwing baseball-sized rocks through nine church windows in Portland’s Mars Hill Church, including two 100-year-old stained glass panes.

Two versions of the e-mail have been sent to the media, one longer and slightly more incendiary than the other, but both apparently originating from the same group. In the longer version, the LGBT activists state they destroyed church property in the names of several local transgender people who have died, and “all other trans women” whose deaths they blame on “this cissexist, femmephobic, racist, and transmisogynistic society.”

“Churches are a major contributor to the culture that deems trans women of color to be disposable, as not worth keeping alive,” the statement read.

The “brand of Christianity” taught by Mark Driscoll, pastor of the largest Mars Hill Church in Seattle,“crusades against the ‘feminization’ of Jesus,” the e-mail stated.“We angry queers are not fans of Jesus, but we have a problem with anyone who has a problem with femmes.”

The e-mail, which is peppered with foul language, berates the Q Center, a local LGBT activist organization, for engaging in a dialogue with the Mars Hill’s leadership.“What we have to say to the Q Center is this: F—K YOU, you don’t represent us. You are disgusting traitors who prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers.”

“F—k dialog with people who want us dead,” the e-mail read.“The only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows.”

“We hope this small act of vengeance will strike some fear into the hearts of all of Mars Hill’s pastors, and warm the hearts of our friends and comrades (known or unknown). It may not get better, but we can certainly get even,” it concludes.

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The local Fox affiliate, KPTV, sent a local homosexual media outlet a copy of the e-mail they received, which is missing several of the communication’s most risible phrases.

However, a reporter at competing KOIN also received a copy of the e-mail. KOIN’s coverage quotes words found only in the longer e-mail.

The longer version names several dead transgender people by first and last name, then references them by first name later. The shorter version only includes the reference to their first names, which may authenticate the longer and more inflammatory version sent to KOIN.

The homosexual media outlet that obtained the KPTV version of the e-mail stated officials at the Fox station said the shorter version is the one they received. The blogger believes “the email’s author(s) submitted a somewhat different version to different outlets.”

Neither media outlet reported the message’s invocations of violence against traditional Christians, which appeared in both versions.

The long form of the e-mail has also appeared on several left-wing websites in the area.

Even before the text of the e-mail had become public, Chuck Currie, a minister in the United Church of Christ (UCC), wrote,“I call on the Portland Police to treat this as a hate crime against all people of faith, regardless of religious tradition or belief.”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#7 Jan 15, 2013
fr The Lone Gunmen:

>The organization introduced into court evidence including death threats, extensive vandalism, threats of destruction of property, arson and threats of arson, intimidating emails and phone calls, mailed envelopes containing suspicious white powders, blacklists, loss of employment and job opportunities, gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry including vandalism at religious institution "all for doing nothing more than standing up for traditional marriage."
..<

Which "organization? Cite your sources. Anyone can type stuff.
Worm

Miami, FL

#8 Jan 15, 2013
However, a commenter calling himself “Angry Queer” on a local homosexual website incited further vandalism, writing:“I hope some sexy, angry queers (like myself) smashed this s**t up and will continue to until Mars Hill cannot exist peacefully in Portland. There is no peace for queers — we are murdered, bashed and ridiculed every f**king day. To have some windows of a huge INSTITUTION THAT PERPETUATES AND BREEDS THE HELL WE LIVE IN EVERY DAY smashed is a small victory and a boost in morale.”

Below the video is the full text of the e-mail as it appears on several left-wing activist websites. The portions that differ from the KPTV version are in italics.



Early in the morning of April 24th a group of angry queers smashed out the windows of Mars Hill Church in Southeast Portland. Mars Hill is notoriously anti-gay and anti-woman. Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill’s head pastor, has said that women need to be subservient to their husbands and that gay people are a cancer. His personal brand of Christianity crusades against the “feminization” of Jesus - we angry queers are not fans of Jesus, but we have a problem with anyone who has a problem with femmes.

This action was taken in memory of Mark Aguhar, a fierce queer/trans femme of color and artist from Chicago who killed herself a little over a month ago. We also hold in our hearts Paige Clay, a trans woman of color who was found murdered in Chicago on April 16th; Duanna Johnson, a black trans woman who was in all likelihood murdered by the police in 2008; Agnes Torres Sulca, Deoni Jones, and all other trans women who have been murdered by this cissexist, femmephobic, racist, and transmisogynistic society.

Churches are a major contributor to the culture that deems trans women of color to be disposable, as not worth keeping alive. Children who are forced to attend Mars Hill are indoctrinated in hateful dogma that teaches them their natural desires are an abomination that will damn them to hell. Dan Savage’s “It Gets Better” campaign does nothing in the here and now for queer kids trapped in abusive home or religious settings. And it never got better for Mark, Duanna, Paige, Agnes, Deoni, or the countless other trans women (especially brown trans women) who are regularly murdered.

When Mars Hill moved to town, so-called “representatives” of the queer “community” from the Q Center met with officials from the church in order to have dialog. What we have to say to the Q Center is this: FUCK YOU, you don’t represent us. You are disgusting traitors who prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers. Fuck dialog with people who want us dead, the only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows.

We smashed Mars Hill because they make our lives miserable. We hope this small act of vengeance will strike some fear into the hearts of all of Mars Hill’s pastors, and warm the hearts of our friends and comrades (known or unknown). It may not get better, but we can certainly get even.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#9 Jan 15, 2013
All that happens is that this crap is deleted. Why not go preach to the choir, R1? God, you must have a very boring life to cut and paste this crap daily. No wonder you are alone....
Normal Decent Hetero

United States

#10 Jan 15, 2013
NE Jade wrote:
All that happens is that this crap is deleted. Why not go preach to the choir, R1? God, you must have a very boring life to cut and paste this crap daily. No wonder you are alone....
But not before you read it!!!

LMFAO

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#14 Jan 15, 2013
The Lone Gunmen wrote:
The organization introduced into court evidence including death threats, extensive vandalism, threats of destruction of property, arson and threats of arson, intimidating emails and phone calls, mailed envelopes containing suspicious white powders, blacklists, loss of employment and job opportunities, gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry including vandalism at religious institution "all for doing nothing more than standing up for traditional marriage."
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Anyone who actually does such things, for ANY reason, should be hunted down and prosecuted.

Even if the object of their crimes is a miserable bigot.

Stooping to the level of a raging irrational bigot is NEVER the way to go.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#15 Jan 15, 2013
NE Lipstick wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been reported Mr!
Go have your 45 year old daughter suck you off and report back. Don't nap out on us now!

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#16 Jan 15, 2013
Normal Decent Hetero wrote:
<quoted text>But not before you read it!!!
LMFAO
And you just verified you have no life. Topix gay forums all the way for you.
Swede

Anonymous Proxy

#17 Jan 15, 2013
NE Jade wrote:
<quoted text> And you just verified you have no life. Topix gay forums all the way for you.
Pot meet kettle!
Normal Decent Hetero

United States

#18 Jan 15, 2013
NE Jade wrote:
<quoted text> And you just verified you have no life. Topix gay forums all the way for you.
Oh but mistaken you are for I have a wonderful life, it's starts every morning when I dine at Chick-Fil-A.

WOO HOO
Brenda Lee Johnson

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Jan 15, 2013


Gays Have Threaten and Bullied anyone who opposed their agenda, anyone!

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14-year-old home schooled girl receives death threats for defending marriage

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ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND, February 22, 2012, A 14-year-old home schooler who testified before the Maryland state senate against a bill redefining marriage has been the subject of cyberbullying, vicious name-calling, and death threats.

Maryland State Senate

Sarah Crank, 14, told the Maryland Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee last month she believes children need a mother and a father.“ I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender,” she told the senators.“Even though some kids think it’s fine, they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on.”

She continued,“People say that they were born that way, but I’ve met really nice adults who did change.”

“Today’s my 14th birthday, and it would be the best birthday present ever if you would vote ‘no’ on gay marriage,” she said.

After audio of her uncharacteristically mature testimony was posted on YouTube, the story went viral on homosexual activist websites—and death threats quickly followed.

TFP Student Action, a Roman Catholic organization dedicated to traditional morality, recorded several of the most offensive threats in a press release. A commenter on the YouTube video wrote,“If I ever see this girl, I will kill her. That’s a promise.”

Other YouTube comments ranged from,“Her parents should be exterminated,” to,“Kill this child and his [sic] parent, for my 11 birthday would be a wonderful gift, thanks.”

A comment posted on LGBTNation.com said,““And now everyone knows her name, so hopefully she will feel what its like to be harassed and bullied…”

Since TFP issued its press release, the comments have not moderated. Supporters of same-sex “marriage” continue to wish violence, sexual assault, or censorship upon the girl.(Warning, profanity):
•I hope you&#65279; get raped by your married parents.—madisonen;
•Stupid bi**h - I&#65279; hope you die on your Bday!!!!!—geminiboi007;
•A dumb way for a dumb bi**h to&#65279; do dumb things. Stop talking nonsense that your Christian, Anti-Gay parents are force-feeding you through a thin straw, and learn to accept other people. Now shut up bi**h, before I smack you.—123adbnvcs;

According to its website, TFP Student Action “networks with college students on more than 719 campuses,” promoting chivalry and a Christian ethical conduct.

“The homosexual movement only talks about ‘tolerance,’ but never really practices any,”

Ritchie had a different message for the Crank family.“I’m praying for you and your family, Sarah,” he said.“Stand strong. God will win. And Saint Michael will help you and help America.”

The full text of Sarah’s testimony follows:

Hi, I’m Sarah Crank. Today’s my 14th birthday, and it would be the best birthday present ever if you would vote “no” on gay marriage. I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender. Even though some kids think it’s fine, they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on. I don’t want more kids to get confused about what’s right and okay. I really don’t want to grow up in a world where marriage isn’t such a special thing anymore.

It’s rather scary to think that when I grow up the legislature or the court can change the definition of any word they want. If they could change the definition of marriage then they could change the definition of any word. People have the choice to be gay, but I don’t want to be affected by their choice. People say that they were born that way, but I’ve met really nice adults who did change. So please vote “no” on gay marriage. Thank you.
Brenda Lee Johnson

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Jan 15, 2013
Gays Threaten anyone who didn't agree with them, anyone!

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14-year-old home schooled girl receives death threats for defending marriage

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ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND, February 22, 2012, A 14-year-old home schooler who testified before the Maryland state senate against a bill redefining marriage has been the subject of cyberbullying, vicious name-calling, and death threats.

Maryland State Senate

Sarah Crank, 14, told the Maryland Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee last month she believes children need a mother and a father.“ I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender,” she told the senators.“Even though some kids think it’s fine, they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on.”

She continued,“People say that they were born that way, but I’ve met really nice adults who did change.”

“Today’s my 14th birthday, and it would be the best birthday present ever if you would vote ‘no’ on gay marriage,” she said.

After audio of her uncharacteristically mature testimony was posted on YouTube, the story went viral on homosexual activist websites—and death threats quickly followed.

TFP Student Action, a Roman Catholic organization dedicated to traditional morality, recorded several of the most offensive threats in a press release. A commenter on the YouTube video wrote,“If I ever see this girl, I will kill her. That’s a promise.”

Other YouTube comments ranged from,“Her parents should be exterminated,” to,“Kill this child and his [sic] parent, for my 11 birthday would be a wonderful gift, thanks.”

A comment posted on LGBTNation.com said,““And now everyone knows her name, so hopefully she will feel what its like to be harassed and bullied…”

Since TFP issued its press release, the comments have not moderated. Supporters of same-sex “marriage” continue to wish violence, sexual assault, or censorship upon the girl.(Warning, profanity):
•I hope you&#65279; get raped by your married parents.—madisonen;
•Stupid bi**h - I&#65279; hope you die on your Bday!!!!!—geminiboi007;
•A dumb way for a dumb bi**h to&#65279; do dumb things. Stop talking nonsense that your Christian, Anti-Gay parents are force-feeding you through a thin straw, and learn to accept other people. Now shut up bi**h, before I smack you.—123adbnvcs;

According to its website, TFP Student Action “networks with college students on more than 719 campuses,” promoting chivalry and a Christian ethical conduct.

“The homosexual movement only talks about ‘tolerance,’ but never really practices any,”

Ritchie had a different message for the Crank family.“I’m praying for you and your family, Sarah,” he said.“Stand strong. God will win. And Saint Michael will help you and help America.”

The full text of Sarah’s testimony follows:

Hi, I’m Sarah Crank. Today’s my 14th birthday, and it would be the best birthday present ever if you would vote “no” on gay marriage. I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender. Even though some kids think it’s fine, they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on. I don’t want more kids to get confused about what’s right and okay. I really don’t want to grow up in a world where marriage isn’t such a special thing anymore.

It’s rather scary to think that when I grow up the legislature or the court can change the definition of any word they want. If they could change the definition of marriage then they could change the definition of any word. People have the choice to be gay, but I don’t want to be affected by their choice. People say that they were born that way, but I’ve met really nice adults who did change. So please vote “no” on gay marriage. Thank you.
Blair

Burlingame, CA

#22 Jan 16, 2013
Gays are black mailing corporate America for financial support.

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Gay rights activist calls for boycott of Salvation Army Christmas fundraiser

Mon Nov 28, 2012 14:39 EST

Tags: christmas, homosexuality, salvation army

The Salvation Army's humble method of raising funds during the Christmas season has brought in millions to provide food, shelter and clothing for the poor.

November 28, 2012 - Gay rights activists who object to the Salvation Army’s biblical stance on homosexuality are launching their annual call to shut down the organization’s Christmas fundraiser.

The red kettle campaign, which is now in its 120th year, is a familiar sight to Christmas shoppers. The organization’s simple method of begging for shoppers’ loose change as they exit stores has raised millions of dollars to benefit needy families, seniors, and the homeless.

But if the author of a recent blog post on bilerico.com , one of the internet’s most prominent homosexual blogs, has his way, that would be brought to an end.

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“As the holidays approach, the Salvation Army bell ringers are out in front of stores dunning shoppers for donations. If you care about gay rights, you’ll skip their bucket in favor of a charity that doesn’t actively discriminate against the LGBT community,” wrote Bil Browning, in a post that appeared last week.

Browning authored a shorter post last year on the same theme that he says garnered 14,000 Facebook shares.

His longer post this year quotes from the Salvation Army’s website as evidence of its offensive stance on gay rights, such as the statement that “sexual intimacy is understood as a gift of God to be enjoyed within the context of heterosexual marriage.”

That statement goes on to say that “there is no scriptural support for demeaning or mistreating anyone for reason of his or her sexual orientation,” although Browning does not quote this portion.

Browning claims that the organization discriminates against gays and lesbians in its services, and seems to imply that the money raised by the red kettle campaign helps to fund Salvation Army lobbying efforts, such as supporting a UK law to prohibit the government from actively promoting the homosexual lifestyle in public schools.

Major George Hood, the Salvation Army’s National Community Relations Secretary, told LifeSiteNews that both claims were untrue.

“The position of the Salvation Army is very clear that we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and we meet human needs without discrimination,” he said in an interview.“We know that there are people who come to us from the gay community and they are served the same as anyone else because sexual orientation is not a question we would ever ask.”

Hood added that there is no way red kettle money could be financing international lobbying efforts, since all of it stays in the local community.

“No money from the red kettles comes to the national headquarters,” he said.“It stays in the community were the money is being raised and it’s being used to fund the social service work of the salvation army in that community, first of all for the Christmas season, making sure that children have toys and warm clothing, that the family has food on the table, that the heating bill is paid, that there’s housing available. That’s what the Christmas campaign is all about and it’s been that way for 120 years.”.
Vito

Totowa, NJ

#25 Jan 16, 2013
The Church Pastors are a bunch of cowards! To afraid to stand up for God!
Cool Hand Luke

Scranton, PA

#27 Jan 16, 2013
An analysis of FBI statistics on hate crimes committed against homosexuals during the time period 2000-2008 shows that the probability of any individual homosexual being the victim of a hate crime during his or her entire life span is slightly more than one percent.[2] Interestingly,“gays” are more likely to commit hate crimes against “straights” than “straights” are to commit hate crimes against “gays.” According to the FBI, there are 3.98 hate crimes committed by each million heterosexuals annually against homosexuals, and there are 4.44 hate crimes committed by each million homosexuals annually against heterosexuals.[3]
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm .
Flocko

Phoenix, AZ

#31 Jan 16, 2013
Fri Jun 10, 2012 19:18 EST

Tags: american idol, fox, homosexuality

June 10, 2012 - After the broadcast of a homosexualist advertisement during the family-friendly Fox show American Idol prompted outrage, the founder of the ad campaign has confirmed that such advertisements are intended to promote the message of the gay rights lobby to young children in households that normally wouldn’t support it. One conservative leader has now demanded that Google, Fox, and Disney-Pixar sever their ties with the campaign.

Peggy Nance of Concerned Women for America expressed outrage that the Fox network aired an “anti-gay bullying” advertisement, part of the “It Gets Better” campaign, during the extremely popular competition show.

Doubling as an advertisement for Google Chrome, the ad features several Hollywood personalities, and even a character from the popular Disney-Pixar movie series Toy Story, who speak directly to and encourage an audience of young people identifying as homosexual, telling them that “It gets better.”

On her blog, Nance called Fox’s choice of ad placement a betrayal of trust of conservative households everywhere.

“Apparently, American Idol with the help of Woody from Disney’s Toy Story, thinks that my 4th grader needs to be fully aware of the plight of teens who view themselves as ‘gay.’ I am sorry, but he doesn’t even know about heterosexual sex yet. Can you give me some room here?” wrote Nance.“I am ticked because I feel tricked. Fox blew it last night.

“The point is parents felt secure in allowing our entire families watch this show. They lured us into a false sense of security and broke trust with us last night.”

Dan Savage, a homosexual activist and founder of the It Gets Better project, shot back at Nance, saying that promoting their message to those with religious upbringing was precisely the point.

“Nance’s son was always our target demo,” wrote Savage.“Again, we don’t know if he’s gay. But he might be and, if he is, he needs to hear from us.”

The “primary goal” of the campaign, he explained, is “to reach LGBT kids who are being bullied by their peers and their families.”

“Now I don’t know if Nance’s son is gay, bi, or trans, but if he is, he needs to know more than most that it can get better for him too, that there’s hope for his future, and that the adult world isn’t entirely populated by hateful s***s like his mother,” he wrote, adding “here’s hoping” that “Nance’s son is gay.”

Nance later wrote to supporters that Savage’s response revealed “a serious threat to every family.”

“This campaign isn’t really about stopping gay bullying in school,” wrote Nance, who also demanded that Google, Fox and Disney sever ties with Savage’s campaign.“This is about using the power of prime time television and Google to infiltrate your home and your family and get their message to our sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters.”

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#33 Jan 16, 2013
Seriously, Dipstick, shouldn't you be home with that imaginary wife of yours from the 80's? Just put in a "Wham" CD, and rock yourself....her.... crazy. Either that or find some "Gay Conspiracy/They Are Taking Over the World thread, and rock those nimble fingers into a frenzy!
Cool Hand Luke

Scranton, PA

#38 Jan 16, 2013
An analysis of FBI statistics on hate crimes committed against homosexuals during the time period 2000-2008 shows that the probability of any individual homosexual being the victim of a hate crime during his or her entire life span is slightly more than one percent.[2] Interestingly,“gays” are more likely to commit hate crimes against “straights” than “straights” are to commit hate crimes against “gays.” According to the FBI, there are 3.98 hate crimes committed by each million heterosexuals annually against homosexuals, and there are 4.44 hate crimes committed by each million homosexuals annually against heterosexuals.[3]
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm .
Worm

Miami, FL

#40 Jan 17, 2013
That's true! Very true! Something are to hard to lie about. No worry Obama and the Gay media networks will help them out.
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