75 Prominent Republicans sign brief b...

75 Prominent Republicans sign brief backing gay marriage

There are 18 comments on the KRMG-AM Tulsa story from Feb 26, 2013, titled 75 Prominent Republicans sign brief backing gay marriage. In it, KRMG-AM Tulsa reports that:

The GOPers, including Jon Huntsman, former George W. Bush administration officials, and four former governors, have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have the constitutional right to marry.

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“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#1 Feb 26, 2013
Holy Crap!!! Who wooda thunk it?
Sgt Common Sense

Denver, CO

#2 Feb 26, 2013
I was a Goldwater republican for years. Once the evangelicals high-jacked the Republican party, I left. Would love to see Barry's philosophy make a come back among the Republican leaders.

Here are some quotes from the father of conservatism Barry Goldwater.

“Government ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks, and out of our bedrooms.”

“The positive role of limited government has always been the defense of these fundamental principles. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."

"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives."

“There has always been homosexuality, ever since man and woman were invented. I guess there were gay apes. So that's not an issue. The Republican Party should stand for freedom and only freedom. Don't raise hell about the gays, the Blacks and the Mexicans. Free people have a right to do as they damn well please."

You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.

"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."

"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

Barry, I miss you.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#3 Feb 26, 2013
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
I was a Goldwater republican for years. Once the evangelicals high-jacked the Republican party, I left. Would love to see Barry's philosophy make a come back among the Republican leaders.
Here are some quotes from the father of conservatism Barry Goldwater.
“Government ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks, and out of our bedrooms.”
“The positive role of limited government has always been the defense of these fundamental principles. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives."
“There has always been homosexuality, ever since man and woman were invented. I guess there were gay apes. So that's not an issue. The Republican Party should stand for freedom and only freedom. Don't raise hell about the gays, the Blacks and the Mexicans. Free people have a right to do as they damn well please."
You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
Barry, I miss you.
I was a Goldwater supporter, although I was a little uncomfortable with that "extremism in support of liberty" comment. It was a little too open-ended for my style. An example would be W's war against Iraq. Other than that I was pretty conservative.
Too Little Too Late

San Francisco, CA

#4 Feb 26, 2013
Just like self-serving Republicans to jump on the bandwagon once public opinion turns against them. What losers. Everyone will see through this ploy. Just hoping we can dump most of them in the mid-terms.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Feb 26, 2013
I don't care how or why they now support marriage equality; though I do wish they had the courage when they were actually relevant.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Feb 26, 2013
Will they literally put their money where their mouth is and support the GOP legislators in Illinois, Minnesota, Rhode Island, etc who are being threatened with retribution by anti-gay groups if they vote for marriage equality?
Sgt Common Sense

Denver, CO

#7 Feb 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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I was a Goldwater supporter, although I was a little uncomfortable with that "extremism in support of liberty" comment. It was a little too open-ended for my style. An example would be W's war against Iraq. Other than that I was pretty conservative.
Yeah, I didn't agree with him completely either.
But I will say, I could vote for a Goldwater Republican over any of the clowns in the party now.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#8 Feb 26, 2013
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
I was a Goldwater republican for years. Once the evangelicals high-jacked the Republican party, I left. Would love to see Barry's philosophy make a come back among the Republican leaders.
Here are some quotes from the father of conservatism Barry Goldwater.
“Government ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks, and out of our bedrooms.”
“The positive role of limited government has always been the defense of these fundamental principles. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."
"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives."
“There has always been homosexuality, ever since man and woman were invented. I guess there were gay apes. So that's not an issue. The Republican Party should stand for freedom and only freedom. Don't raise hell about the gays, the Blacks and the Mexicans. Free people have a right to do as they damn well please."
You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
Barry, I miss you.
It's a shame he wasn't elected in '64 (I was 8 years old then). He certaily would've been far better than the totally corrupt Johnson. A few well-placed nuclear weapons placed in the North Vietnamese subway system would've ended the war far earlier.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#9 Feb 26, 2013
In 1993, WW 2 Hero, former AZ Senator, and Republican Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater wrote the following in the “Washington Post":

"After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn't exactly nothing, but it’s pretty damned close.

Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They'll still be serving long after we're all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.

But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country’s economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services.

It’s no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there’s no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crazy, but then found that wasn't true. Then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn't so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1957 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan’s man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea. No wonder my friend Dick Cheney, secretary of defense under President Bush, called it ‘a bit of an old chestnut’.

When the facts lead to one conclusion, I say it’s time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable.

Some in Congress think I’m wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other.

Well, that’s just stupid.

(cont.)

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#10 Feb 26, 2013
(Goldwater cont...)

"Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell.

Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be.

The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. But we seldom have that luxury. That’s why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that’s what we need now.

I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it’s high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy.

What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like “Don't ask, don't tell.” That compromise doesn't deal with the issue - it tries to hide it.

We have wasted enough precious time, money and talent trying to persecute and pretend. It’s time to stop burying our heads in the sand and denying reality for the sake of politics. It’s time to deal with this straight on and be done with it. It’s time to get on with more important business.

The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people’s private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone’s version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.

When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent.

If I were in the Senate today, I would rise on the Senate floor in support of our commander in chief. He may be a Democrat, but he happens to be right on this question.”

Since: Mar 09

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#11 Feb 26, 2013
They are just setting themselves up to be able to claim that they were "supporters" for the 2014 midterms.

DON'T believe it.

Since: Mar 09

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#12 Feb 26, 2013
They are posturing to create an appearance that invalidates and arguments for Suspect Classification due to ANIMUS.

This is very cheap "support" with several stings in the tail.

Since: Mar 07

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#13 Feb 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
I don't care how or why they now support marriage equality; though I do wish they had the courage when they were actually relevant.
They are relevant enough, since a large percentage of the country still supports them.

The fact that even THEY feel safe enough to come out now and speak up is just more nails in the coffin of discrimination.

Since: Mar 07

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#14 Feb 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
They are posturing to create an appearance that invalidates and arguments for Suspect Classification due to ANIMUS.
This is very cheap "support" with several stings in the tail.
Ugh, now that's a depressing thought.

Since: Mar 09

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#15 Feb 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh, now that's a depressing thought.
This is the BIG league. At this level, Reps and Senators will "take a spear for the Party". They play for keeps.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#16 Feb 27, 2013
Woo-Hooo!!!

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#17 Feb 27, 2013
As Goldwater illustrates, there have always been at least a few who support equality and inclusion. But every election cycle, they parade a few people of various minority groups, hoping to appear inclusive, when their policies are not.

Until they remove the anti-gay planks from their state and national party platforms, and actually start voting for equality rather than against it, they cannot be trusted to mean what a relative few say.

While glad to see more stepping forward, until they change their behavior I have to share snyper's concerns about ulterior motives.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#18 Feb 27, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
As Goldwater illustrates, there have always been at least a few who support equality and inclusion. But every election cycle, they parade a few people of various minority groups, hoping to appear inclusive, when their policies are not.
Until they remove the anti-gay planks from their state and national party platforms, and actually start voting for equality rather than against it, they cannot be trusted to mean what a relative few say.
While glad to see more stepping forward, until they change their behavior I have to share snyper's concerns about ulterior motives.
One thing they should do is refuse the embrace of the so-called "religious right". They can start with teh Roman Catholic Church because they are down-right UN-American.

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