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(update) ACLU Asks Court to Strike Down Nebraska Ban on Gay and Lesbian Foster Parents

There are 25 comments on the www.commondreams.org story from Aug 27, 2013, titled (update) ACLU Asks Court to Strike Down Nebraska Ban on Gay and Lesbian Foster Parents. In it, www.commondreams.org reports that:

The American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Nebraska, and the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell LLP today filed a lawsuit in state court seeking to strike down a state policy that bans gay and lesbian individuals and couples from serving as foster parents.

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Since: Jun 11

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#1 Aug 27, 2013
From Hawaii Supreme Court testamony: "Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".

Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.

Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
Lorenzo

Portimão, Portugal

#3 Aug 27, 2013
The ACLU supports child abuse? I didn't know that.

Liberals sure are a sick lot.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#4 Aug 28, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
It's not about good parenting. It's sticking a kid with a gay couple that's wrong. There is a stigma that goes with doing that.
The child will be exposed to ridicule and embarrassment at the least and outright bullying at the most. It's not fair to the child.

Gays want to do everything including ruin the Boy Scouts, give blood which may be infected with HIV, do away with Father/Daughter dances at public schools, force elementary school kids to read gay story books, etc. All of it for selfish reasons.
The Shadow

United States

#5 Aug 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>It's not about good parenting. It's sticking a kid with a gay couple that's wrong. There is a stigma that goes with doing that.
The child will be exposed to ridicule and embarrassment at the least and outright bullying at the most. It's not fair to the child.

Gays want to do everything including ruin the Boy Scouts, give blood which may be infected with HIV, do away with Father/Daughter dances at public schools, force elementary school kids to read gay story books, etc. All of it for selfish reasons.
Spot on

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#6 Aug 28, 2013
Lorenzo wrote:
The ACLU supports child abuse? I didn't know that.
Liberals sure are a sick lot.
Right wingers would rather a child stay in a broken home with a single parent than have two loving parents who happen to be homosexual. They're the REAL supporters of child abuse!

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#7 Aug 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not about good parenting. It's sticking a kid with a gay couple that's wrong. There is a stigma that goes with doing that.
The child will be exposed to ridicule and embarrassment at the least and outright bullying at the most. It's not fair to the child.
The only reason this type of behavior occurs is because of parents who teach their kids that being gay is wrong.
Gays want to do everything including ruin the Boy Scouts,
The Boy Scouts did that themselves.
give blood which may be infected with HIV,
Straight people can do this as well. That's why the blood is tested.
do away with Father/Daughter dances at public schools,
Not even remotely true.
force elementary school kids to read gay story books,
Again, not even remotely true.
etc. All of it for selfish reasons.
Ugh, the only selfish ones are people like you who think others should accept your ignorance and bigotry.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#8 Aug 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
It's not about good parenting. It's sticking a kid with a gay couple that's wrong. There is a stigma that goes with doing that.
And the fault for such a stigma isn't the child's fault nor is it their parents, it is your own. It isn't wrong for same sex parents to foster, adopt, or in any other way bring a child into their family, it isn't the child's fault that they have same sex parents, it is your fault for stigmatizing them. Take responsibility for your own disturbed behavior for once in your life.
Wondering wrote:
The child will be exposed to ridicule and embarrassment at the least and outright bullying at the most. It's not fair to the child.
You don't have to subject these children to ridicule and embarrassment, let alone bully them. You could actively work to stop it from happening, denouncing it rather than suggesting that we acquiesce to it. But no, you'd rather be part of the f'ing problem.
Wondering wrote:
Gays want to do everything including ruin the Boy Scouts, give blood which may be infected with HIV, do away with Father/Daughter dances at public schools, force elementary school kids to read gay story books, etc. All of it for selfish reasons.
Why don't you crawl off into some corner somewhere, curl up in a fetal position and let us make this a better world without your ugly attitude and nauseating input. You're a part of the problem, you're clueless and mean-spirited. The best possible exercise of your right to be a miserable f/*king excuse for the human species is by keeping it to yourself.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#9 Aug 28, 2013
I have not seen a single reputable or peer reviewed study that would indicate that same sex parents produce any worse outcomes than opposite sex parents.

What is truly important is that a child have loving guardians that will raise them to be respectful, educated, good citizens. Ironically, a same sex couple wishing to raise children has to go to much greater lengths to be able to do so, whereas a traditional opposite sex couple can find themselves raising a child who was an "accident".

Since: Jun 11

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#10 Aug 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not about good parenting. It's sticking a kid with a gay couple that's wrong. There is a stigma that goes with doing that.
The child will be exposed to ridicule and embarrassment at the least and outright bullying at the most. It's not fair to the child.
Gays want to do everything including ruin the Boy Scouts, give blood which may be infected with HIV, do away with Father/Daughter dances at public schools, force elementary school kids to read gay story books, etc. All of it for selfish reasons.
As others have pointed out, it is the irrational prejudice you promote which leads to bullying. You are part of the cause, not the solution.

Yet with the support of parents who care about them, children of gay couples do at least as well as the children of opposite sex parents, while many opposite sex parents beat, abuse, abandon, or kill their own children. The documentation of this fact is overwhelming and undeniable.

Try convincing other minority groups they should not have children because some others will use their irrational prejudice to try to bully those children. It is irrational as well as cruel to expect people to deny their humanity and the pursuit of happiness, simply to accommodates the irrational prejudice of others. Fortunately, that prejudice is fading, and most children of gay parents are judged by the content of their character, rather than by whom their parents love.

Let freedom ring!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#11 Aug 28, 2013
"Since the year 1995, the state has banned unmarried, unrelated adults who live together from being considered as foster parents. The policy also bars "persons who identify themselves as homosexuals," regardless of whether they live with a partner. Hopefully, that discriminatory policy will come to an end after more than a decade in existence."

Gay people cannot yet marry in Nebraska.

Thus, Nebraska's law isn't discriminatory as it bars unmarried, unrelated adults who cohabit from consideration as foster parents.

Am I missing something? Yes, I read the line item RE: barring homosexuals, but the operative clause is "unmarried, unrelated adults
Dan

Omaha, NE

#12 Aug 28, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
As others have pointed out, it is the irrational prejudice you promote which leads to bullying. You are part of the cause, not the solution.
Yet with the support of parents who care about them, children of gay couples do at least as well as the children of opposite sex parents, while many opposite sex parents beat, abuse, abandon, or kill their own children. The documentation of this fact is overwhelming and undeniable.
Try convincing other minority groups they should not have children because some others will use their irrational prejudice to try to bully those children. It is irrational as well as cruel to expect people to deny their humanity and the pursuit of happiness, simply to accommodates the irrational prejudice of others. Fortunately, that prejudice is fading, and most children of gay parents are judged by the content of their character, rather than by whom their parents love.
Let freedom ring!
Speaking of minority groups, many minority groups blame absent fathers and/or mothers as a prime cause of social breakdown, especially in the African American community.

SSM codifies and affirms social units that deliberately deprive a child of either a father or a mother.

How does that make sense?

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13 Aug 28, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of minority groups, many minority groups blame absent fathers and/or mothers as a prime cause of social breakdown, especially in the African American community.
SSM codifies and affirms social units that deliberately deprive a child of either a father or a mother.
How does that make sense?
Your premise is flawed on several levels.

Children adopted by same sex couples are often afforded two instead of none, rather than being deprived of one.

You are confusing absent parent families with two parent families. When a child has an intact two parent family, neither parent is absent. Intact same sex parent families do at least as well as intact opposite sex parent families.

Your requirement of one of each gender ignores that while two are generally better than one, the gender is not the determining variable, but the relationship between the parent and child. Having one of each gender is no guarantee either will be a good parent. The reality remains, many opposite sex parents are not motivated to be parents, and abuse, abandon, and even kill their unwanted children. Gay parents however, are generally motivated to be parents, and therefore treat their children with love and respect.

Again; Dr. David Brodzinsky: "The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important."

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#14 Aug 29, 2013
Dan wrote:
SSM codifies and affirms social units that deliberately deprive a child of either a father or a mother.
So does divorce, and for that matter out of wedlock births, both of which are much more prevalent that same sex parenthood. Which is to say, what's your point?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#15 Aug 29, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>And the fault for such a stigma isn't the child's fault nor is it their parents
But it's real and unfair to the child. Stop passing the buck, it's ridiculous.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#16 Aug 29, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Why don't you crawl off into some corner somewhere, curl up in a fetal position and let us make this a better world without your ugly attitude and nauseating input. You're a part of the problem, you're clueless and mean-spirited. The best possible exercise of your right to be a miserable f/*king excuse for the human species is by keeping it to yourself.
Facts are facts, if they upset you it's for you to discover why.
Don't blame the messenger.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#17 Aug 29, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
1. As others have pointed out, it is the irrational prejudice you promote which leads to bullying. You are part of the cause, not the solution.
2. Yet with the support of parents who care about them, children of gay couples do at least as well as the children of opposite sex parents,
3. while many opposite sex parents beat, abuse, abandon, or kill their own children. The documentation of this fact is overwhelming and undeniable.
1. I don't promote anything, I state facts.
2. I clearly said it isn't about parenting.
3. True, gay couples get a pass because they can't produce their own children. That is the ONLY reason that they're generally not in the 'documentation.'
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#18 Aug 29, 2013
llDayo wrote:
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1. The only reason this type of behavior occurs is because of parents who teach their kids that being gay is wrong.
2. The Boy Scouts did that themselves.
3. Straight people can do this as well. That's why the blood is tested.
4. Not even remotely true.
1. People don't teach their kids to hate. Gays have this 'you're with us or against us' attitude. The reality is that most people don't care about gays one way or the other. They don't want homosexual issues forced into every facet of their lives though.
2. Gays are forcing the issue.
3. Testing isn't 100%, a person can be infected for weeks before it will show up in a test.
4. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/19/ac...
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#19 Aug 29, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
So does divorce, and for that matter out of wedlock births, both of which are much more prevalent that same sex parenthood. Which is to say, what's your point?
so, SSM can be just as "bad" as divorce and being born out of wedlock for kids?
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#20 Aug 29, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. People don't teach their kids to hate. Gays have this 'you're with us or against us' attitude. The reality is that most people don't care about gays one way or the other. They don't want homosexual issues forced into every facet of their lives though.
2. Gays are forcing the issue.
3. Testing isn't 100%, a person can be infected for weeks before it will show up in a test.
4. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/19/ac...
1. That is a generalization that I have found to be quite untrue.
2. It's their rights in question, so why wouldn't they?
3. irrelevant to gay rights
4. Yes, school officials are often stupid.

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Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#21 Aug 29, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
1. People don't teach their kids to hate. Gays have this 'you're with us or against us' attitude. The reality is that most people don't care about gays one way or the other. They don't want homosexual issues forced into every facet of their lives though.
Yes, people teach their kids this stuff all the time. And nothing's being "forced" towards anybody. Were equal rights for blacks being forced on anyone back in the 60s? No, they were fighting to be treated equally, just like homosexuals are doing now. If you think it's being forced on you then you're just a homophobe, plain and simple.
2. Gays are forcing the issue.
No, they're bringing the topic out in the open where it belongs. The fact you disagree with it means nothing.
3. Testing isn't 100%, a person can be infected for weeks before it will show up in a test.
Well, I guess heterosexuals should not be allowed to donate either, only lesbians. You do realize lesbians have the lowest rate of HIV, right?
Wow. That had absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, it even says in the article that the reason is because it promotes stereotypes (girls go to dances, boys play baseball). One thing that isn't mentioned though as a reason why these should be banned is for those girls whose fathers are either dead or not around. I'm sure they feel really good about these events.

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