Labor group asks bishop to talk gay r...

Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing

There are 214 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jun 13, 2013, titled Labor group asks bishop to talk gay rights in the wake of teacher's firing. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

Pride@Work, a group tied to the AFL-CIO, has joined the effort to get Carla Hale rehired by Ohio's Bishop Watterson High School, which fired her after her mother's obituary named her female partner .

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“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#1 Jun 13, 2013
Why don't they hire her?
They cannot kill a Spook

United States

#2 Jun 13, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
Why don't they hire her?
Then there wouldn't be news cycle bashing of straight people.
Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#3 Jun 13, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
Why don't they hire her?
She violated the terms of her contract.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#4 Jun 13, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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She violated the terms of her contract.
Yes, Carla did.
I believe Zoe meant, "Why doesn't Pride@Work hire her?"

And we all know that Carla's more valuable to their activist campaign...as a "victim."
YAWN

Arlington Heights, IL

#5 Jun 13, 2013
Who cares? Old story.

She can draw unemployment. When it runs out, she take her lesbo job skills to Walmart.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#7 Jun 14, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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She violated the terms of her contract.
That is right, I meant Pride@Work! Why don't they hire her?
Anna Graham

Akron, OH

#8 Jun 15, 2013
Any woman caught eating a TUNA sandwich after "lights-out" spends a night in the box. I'm Carl the Floor walker.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#9 Jun 16, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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She violated the terms of her contract.
The question will be whether or not you can create a contract that denies some, but not all of your employees, the right to ever form any personal romantic relationship, including marriage, and whether such a contract would hold up in court.

Othello

Amelia, OH

#10 Jun 16, 2013
Lesbians are well known vocal supporters of elective abortion and sodomy.

Abortion and sodomy are not "romance".

RCC explicitly condemns abortion and sodomy.

The RCC suffers now because it didn't aggressively cull the gay priest that sodomized male children in their charge.

The lesbian knew all of these facts to be true, but did its gay thing in stealth, similar to the gay priest.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#11 Jun 16, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
She violated the terms of her contract.
The true question is whether the terms of the contract were constitutional?

What right does the school have to contractually control the private aspects of her life, any more than they have the right to control her free exercise of religion, right to keep and bear, or speak freely?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#12 Jun 16, 2013
Quest wrote:
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The question will be whether or not you can create a contract that denies some, but not all of your employees, the right to ever form any personal romantic relationship, including marriage, and whether such a contract would hold up in court.
Carla is free to marry the man of her choice here in the State of Ohio.
Othello

Amelia, OH

#13 Jun 16, 2013
lides wrote:
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The true question is whether the terms of the contract were constitutional?
What right does the school have to contractually control the private aspects of her life, any more than they have the right to control her free exercise of religion, right to keep and bear, or speak freely?
RCC is not a government.

The constitution is restrictions on government, not people or people's organizations like RCC.

Abuse of children is a well known attribute of gay people. Gay male priests sodomized male children. Lesbians promote elective abortion as a virtue. Elective abortion is an extreme abuse of children.

The truth will set you free.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#14 Jun 16, 2013
lides wrote:
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The true question is whether the terms of the contract were constitutional?
What right does the school have to contractually control the private aspects of her life, any more than they have the right to control her free exercise of religion, right to keep and bear, or speak freely?
Obviously, she does not respect the doctrine of the church. The bigger question is why does she want to be there? In my opinion, she is obnoxious and is driving this issue into the ground. Good grief, get another job Carla!
Larry Kramer

Amelia, OH

#15 Jun 16, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
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Obviously, she does not respect the doctrine of the church. The bigger question is why does she want to be there? In my opinion, she is obnoxious and is driving this issue into the ground. Good grief, get another job Carla!
She's wants to stay there because she wants to fight irrational homophobia, the same goal of the gay male priest that diddled altar boys.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#16 Jun 16, 2013
Larry Kramer wrote:
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She's wants to stay there because she wants to fight irrational homophobia, the same goal of the gay male priest that diddled altar boys.
Who was the priest who did what you stated at that building? She is disgusting! Who cares if she is a homosexual, that is her business but she is not going to push this crap on people who are offended by it and believe it is sin, I don't care what you crackpots say! Go over to the Middle East or large portions of Africa, they will welcome you with open arms! No matter what man says, it is still sin and there will be punishment from God. Man can say all he wants but that does not make the truth disappear!
Larry Kramer

Amelia, OH

#17 Jun 16, 2013
Zoe Regen wrote:
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Who was the priest who did what you stated at that building? She is disgusting! Who cares if she is a homosexual, that is her business but she is not going to push this crap on people who are offended by it and believe it is sin, I don't care what you crackpots say! Go over to the Middle East or large portions of Africa, they will welcome you with open arms! No matter what man says, it is still sin and there will be punishment from God. Man can say all he wants but that does not make the truth disappear!
You apparently don't appreciate my sarcasm.

Mavens of Poltical Correctness say opposition to gays in authority over children is homophobia, irrational fear of gay people.

Gays have demonstrated conclusively that allowing them adult authority over children leads to nasty things like gay RCC priest sodomy of altar boys.

Lesbians are well known vocal advocates for elective abortion, a extreme form of child abuse and perversion of sexual relations.

The lesbian that was fired will claim homophobia as the cause for her firing, versus the real reason which is gay predeliction for sodomy and elective abortion.

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#18 Jun 16, 2013
Larry Kramer wrote:
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You apparently don't appreciate my sarcasm.
Mavens of Poltical Correctness say opposition to gays in authority over children is homophobia, irrational fear of gay people.
Gays have demonstrated conclusively that allowing them adult authority over children leads to nasty things like gay RCC priest sodomy of altar boys.
Lesbians are well known vocal advocates for elective abortion, a extreme form of child abuse and perversion of sexual relations.
The lesbian that was fired will claim homophobia as the cause for her firing, versus the real reason which is gay predeliction for sodomy and elective abortion.
Sorry, I misunderstood!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#19 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
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The true question is whether the terms of the contract were constitutional?
What right does the school have to contractually control the private aspects of her life, any more than they have the right to control her free exercise of religion, right to keep and bear, or speak freely?
The nature of the contract (i.e. was it valid) wasn't ever in question.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#20 Jun 17, 2013
Othello wrote:
RCC is not a government.
The constitution is restrictions on government, not people or people's organizations like RCC.
Are you high? The US Constitution is the law, it lays out both rights and restrictions, one of which is the free exercise of religion itself. One doesn't need to be a government to be beholden to the US Constitution, which is the highest law of the land.
Othello wrote:
Abuse of children is a well known attribute of gay people.
Feel free to offer proof of this allegation.
Othello wrote:
Gay male priests sodomized male children.
There is a difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. Intelligent people understand the difference.
Othello wrote:
Lesbians promote elective abortion as a virtue.
Feel free to offer proof of this allegation.
Othello wrote:
Elective abortion is an extreme abuse of children.
The truth will set you free.
Elective abortion is legal, as the law does not see the fetus as a person with rights until the age of viability, commonly accepted to be 20 weeks.
Zoe Regen wrote:
Obviously, she does not respect the doctrine of the church. The bigger question is why does she want to be there? In my opinion, she is obnoxious and is driving this issue into the ground. Good grief, get another job Carla!
What she does in her personal life is her own business. If we were to apply your standard, every teacher on birth control, or who had an abortion should be fired regardless of their performance in the classroom. The school had no trouble with her performance, until it came to light, in an obituary, that she had a same sex partner.

She is right to drive this issue, her same sex partner has no bearing upon her ability to be an effective teacher, who can even adhere to values she may privately disagree with in the workplace, which by all reports she did.
Dan wrote:
The nature of the contract (i.e. was it valid) wasn't ever in question.
Of course it is in question. Whether the morals clause was in fact legal is the entire crux of the issue.

Personally, I think the school has made a mountain of a mole hill. I also think they will not legally prevail, and even if they do not have to take her back as a teacher, they will not be better off for it due to the damages she is likely to collect.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#21 Jun 17, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you high? The US Constitution is the law, it lays out both rights and restrictions, one of which is the free exercise of religion itself. One doesn't need to be a government to be beholden to the US Constitution, which is the highest law of the land.
<quoted text>
Feel free to offer proof of this allegation.
<quoted text>
There is a difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. Intelligent people understand the difference.
<quoted text>
Feel free to offer proof of this allegation.
<quoted text>
Elective abortion is legal, as the law does not see the fetus as a person with rights until the age of viability, commonly accepted to be 20 weeks.
<quoted text>
What she does in her personal life is her own business. If we were to apply your standard, every teacher on birth control, or who had an abortion should be fired regardless of their performance in the classroom. The school had no trouble with her performance, until it came to light, in an obituary, that she had a same sex partner.
She is right to drive this issue, her same sex partner has no bearing upon her ability to be an effective teacher, who can even adhere to values she may privately disagree with in the workplace, which by all reports she did.
<quoted text>
Of course it is in question. Whether the morals clause was in fact legal is the entire crux of the issue.
Personally, I think the school has made a mountain of a mole hill. I also think they will not legally prevail, and even if they do not have to take her back as a teacher, they will not be better off for it due to the damages she is likely to collect.
No, the validity of the contract (i.e. the clauses) wasn't in question.

As you seem uninformed, the suit was tried by jury and the Archdiocese lost. If they appeal, I believe they'll win.

Her defense was ignorance of the teachings and that she was canned for being pregnant and unmarried. The jury bought it.

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