Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs. Full Story

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#94 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
Your thinking is backward yes?
Not at all. The photographer can still choose not to enter into a same sex relationship or marry someone of the same sex. Photographing a same sex couples does not infringe upon where they may worship, or what religious moral views they may hold. Conversely, denying the same sex couple service amounts to projecting one's religious moral views onto the couple, which does deprive them of free exercise.

In states with anti-discrimination laws that include sexual orientation, these suits will continue to arise. The rhetoric on the part of those claiming infringement of their free exercise of religion are lacking in rational foundation. Providing a service to someone who holds alternate views on religion or morality does not violate the proprietor's free exercise. Such an argument is laughable.

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Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#95 Aug 28, 2013
your wrote:
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sentence structure is backwards, Joseph, yes?
Huszar. Not this Joseph.

If you want talk then talk.

“Matthew 16:13 - 17”

Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#96 Aug 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Not at all. The photographer can still choose not to enter into a same sex relationship or marry someone of the same sex. Photographing a same sex couples does not infringe upon where they may worship, or what religious moral views they may hold. Conversely, denying the same sex couple service amounts to projecting one's religious moral views onto the couple, which does deprive them of free exercise.
In states with anti-discrimination laws that include sexual orientation, these suits will continue to arise. The rhetoric on the part of those claiming infringement of their free exercise of religion are lacking in rational foundation. Providing a service to someone who holds alternate views on religion or morality does not violate the proprietor's free exercise. Such an argument is laughable.
Freedom of conscience.

Unless service specific to christians. Example christian book store.

Business is private not public.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#97 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
Freedom of conscience.
Sorry Charlie, there is no such legal freedom. Providing a service to someone one disagrees with does not violate their free exercise of religion, or your imagined "freedom of conscience."
Huszar wrote:
Unless service specific to christians. Example christian book store.
So, in your alternate reality, a Christian bookstore could deny service to an atheist?
Huszar wrote:
Business is private not public.
A business that is a place of public accommodation may not discriminate based upon the owner's religious beliefs.

Try again.

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Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#98 Aug 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Sorry Charlie, there is no such legal freedom. Providing a service to someone one disagrees with does not violate their free exercise of religion, or your imagined "freedom of conscience."
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So, in your alternate reality, a Christian bookstore could deny service to an atheist?
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A business that is a place of public accommodation may not discriminate based upon the owner's religious beliefs.
Try again.
America is funny country. Not obey their own Constitution and God. No wonder they falling apart.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#99 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
America is funny country. Not obey their own Constitution and God. No wonder they falling apart.
Our Constitution requires states to provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws, and prevents government from passing laws respecting an establishment of religion.

“Matthew 16:13 - 17”

Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#100 Aug 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Our Constitution requires states to provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws, and prevents government from passing laws respecting an establishment of religion.
Prevents government establishing anti religion. Prevents government controlling religion.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#101 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
Prevents government establishing anti religion. Prevents government controlling religion.
Wow, those are perhaps the two dumbest things ever said. The government is not trying to control religion, nor is it establishing "anti-religion," which adults call atheism.

Grow up.

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Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#102 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
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Prevents government establishing anti religion. Prevents government controlling religion.
Actually correct. Nothing in the Constitution about establishment. The old Jefferson letter to the Baptists in Connecticut spoke about the separation issue as many countries and colonies had an established official religion. The First Amendment was a protection against that. Many cases about it. You could not ban a religion or establish an official state religion. History. It has become the "separation" doctrine, but not found in the Constitution. The wall was put there so the state could not meddle. Not the other way around. Unless you want people to leave their beliefs behind at the voting booth and in congress and the other two branches of government. Remember the fear tactic with JFK and how the pope was going to tell him what to do?

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#103 Aug 28, 2013
Sorry, the second sentence should have been: Nothing in the Constitution about citizens establishing a religion. It was the state(s) establishing a religion. It was to protect religion from the government that had a long history of persecution and banning religious groups that they did not like.

“Matthew 16:13 - 17”

Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#104 Aug 28, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
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Actually correct. Nothing in the Constitution about establishment. The old Jefferson letter to the Baptists in Connecticut spoke about the separation issue as many countries and colonies had an established official religion. The First Amendment was a protection against that. Many cases about it. You could not ban a religion or establish an official state religion. History. It has become the "separation" doctrine, but not found in the Constitution. The wall was put there so the state could not meddle. Not the other way around. Unless you want people to leave their beliefs behind at the voting booth and in congress and the other two branches of government. Remember the fear tactic with JFK and how the pope was going to tell him what to do?
Yes. Interesting. History facts though to some seem subject to revision. Nice America has documents monuments to remind. Need to refer to these again yes?

“Matthew 16:13 - 17”

Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#105 Aug 28, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Sorry, the second sentence should have been: Nothing in the Constitution about citizens establishing a religion. It was the state(s) establishing a religion. It was to protect religion from the government that had a long history of persecution and banning religious groups that they did not like.
Forefathers and founders fled government not themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Monumen...

The National Monument to the Forefathers, formerly known as the Pilgrim Monument,[1] commemorates the Mayflower Pilgrims. Dedicated on August 1, 1889, it honors their ideals as later generally embraced by the United States. It is thought to be the world's largest solid granite monument,[2] and is the third-tallest statue in the United States.
Baby puncher

United States

#106 Aug 28, 2013
Huszar wrote:
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4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love is also a mean bastard if threatened.

-Baby puncher, verse 10.
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Albuquerque, NM

#107 Aug 28, 2013
Baby puncher wrote:
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Love is also a mean bastard if threatened.
-Baby puncher, verse 10.
trash talking again are ya, sissy boy?

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#108 Aug 29, 2013
Huszar wrote:
Yes. Interesting. History facts though to some seem subject to revision. Nice America has documents monuments to remind. Need to refer to these again yes?
Do you mean to refer to the one that states that all men are created equal, or the one that requires states to provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the laws?

You aren't portraying yourself as particularly bright.

“I ain't afraid of no ghosts.”

Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#109 Aug 29, 2013
Huszar wrote:
Freedom of conscience.
JosephOne, you just outed yourself (I love the irony of that). You are the only one here who spoke of that supposed freedom. We already knew that you were doing it, but thanks for the confirmation anyway.

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Since: Mar 13

Vladville

#110 Aug 29, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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JosephOne, you just outed yourself (I love the irony of that). You are the only one here who spoke of that supposed freedom. We already knew that you were doing it, but thanks for the confirmation anyway.
Not JosephOne.

Silk? You are you? I am Huszar. You not know much. Not know what you think.

Huszar tell secret if you behave. If not Huszar ignore not intelligent people. You intelligent?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#111 Aug 29, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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JosephOne, you just outed yourself (I love the irony of that). You are the only one here who spoke of that supposed freedom. We already knew that you were doing it, but thanks for the confirmation anyway.
Hussar hasn't outed no one Silk.....but if you don't watch it I'll pray for you right here on this thread and bless the heck out of you.....

Seriously.....have you and the missus tied the knot already.....

Has she made you respectable yet.....tall order I know but any good life partner should be able to help with that.....

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#112 Aug 29, 2013
Huszar wrote:
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Not JosephOne.
Silk? You are you? I am Huszar. You not know much. Not know what you think.
Huszar tell secret if you behave. If not Huszar ignore not intelligent people. You intelligent?
Don't worry your pretty little head Huzar.....

Silk thinks he knows a lot of things.....

The real JosephOne/Knightkore has got yer back.....

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#113 Aug 29, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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JosephOne, you just outed yourself (I love the irony of that). You are the only one here who spoke of that supposed freedom. We already knew that you were doing it, but thanks for the confirmation anyway.
Hey.....you hear about that snake breeder on the news.....

Didn't realize that they had reptile rescues.....

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