'Somebody must stand up to homosexual...

'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals' - Stewart

There are 491 comments on the The Gleaner story from Aug 25, 2013, titled 'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals' - Stewart. In it, The Gleaner reports that:

A member of the local clergy is charging that Jamaican churches are in religious and spiritual turmoil on the issue of homosexuality.

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Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#29 Aug 28, 2013
One would be trying to adopt children WITHOUT resorting to the conventional way of conceiving children, while LEAPFROGING heterosexual couples that HAVE tried all sorts of ways of having children, INCLUDING trying to create life the conventional way, without being able to succeed in that manner.

That's the only "extra" right that I can think of, Rose...this should be something that is rectified by adoption agencies and the government. Any argument there, NoHo???...
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Name one extra right gay people are asking for.
Poor thing, you can't.
You don't understand what hate crime laws are.
Must suck to be as stupid as you are.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#30 Aug 28, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
One would be trying to adopt children WITHOUT resorting to the conventional way of conceiving children, while LEAPFROGING heterosexual couples that HAVE tried all sorts of ways of having children, INCLUDING trying to create life the conventional way, without being able to succeed in that manner.
That's the only "extra" right that I can think of, Rose...this should be something that is rectified by adoption agencies and the government. Any argument there, NoHo???...
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Straight people can only adopt children if they have tried to have children other ways? News to me.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#31 Aug 28, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Straight people can only adopt children if they have tried to have children other ways? News to me.
Missing the point, Rose...

I should have stated that there are LGBT couples that leapfrog SOME heterosexual couples, that have tried to have children the conventional way, when it comes to adopting children, because there ARE some heterosexual couples that don't attempt to create children the conventional way. In this sense, I believe that ANY person/group, that tries to adopt children, WITHOUT attempting to create children through conventional means, are entitling themselves to an "extra" right that they are not worthy of (and remember, of course, there are SOME exceptions to every rule...I hope you understand this, so that I don't have to explain it to you...).

As I said before, this is an issue that needs to be rectified by the government and adoption agencies!

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#32 Aug 28, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
.......... There ARE other groups of people in your very own neighbourhood that are also fighting for some of the same things that YOU are fighting for right now, snyper! DON'T FORGET THAT!
<quoted text>
And yet it often seems that many of those folks are fighting against our civil rights, while demanding their own.

We don't seem to learn much from history.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#33 Aug 28, 2013
snyper wrote:
The only turmoil is once again religion barging into the CIVIL sphere, trying to force it's views on people who are not members of his sectarian religion, and trying to compel them to abide by his club's bylaws.
FAUGH !
Sounds an awful lot like what gays are trying to do. Pot/kettle.
Religious or not, people are entitled to their opinions.
dazzlevaz

West Mifflin, PA

#34 Aug 28, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ………Imagination is real
The Shadow

United States

#35 Aug 28, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>Straight people can only adopt children if they have tried to have children other ways? News to me.
Heard you just got back from AIDS treatment. How'd it go?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36 Aug 28, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
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Missing the point, Rose...
I should have stated that there are LGBT couples that leapfrog SOME heterosexual couples, that have tried to have children the conventional way, when it comes to adopting children, because there ARE some heterosexual couples that don't attempt to create children the conventional way. In this sense, I believe that ANY person/group, that tries to adopt children, WITHOUT attempting to create children through conventional means, are entitling themselves to an "extra" right that they are not worthy of (and remember, of course, there are SOME exceptions to every rule...I hope you understand this, so that I don't have to explain it to you...).
As I said before, this is an issue that needs to be rectified by the government and adoption agencies!
That's just a bunch of over-thought nonsense.

It's just a medical procedure.

There's nothing about "rights" in it, except the Freedom to have whatever medical procedures an individual and their physician deem appropriate.

Not every Freedom needs to codified as a "Right" to have intrinsic validity.

Consult Amendment. IX. of the U.S. Constitution.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#37 Aug 28, 2013
Is that going to be your position when certain people in the group of people that you stand to defend to the death get preferential treatment over other people in the other group that you claim are usually denying your group their basic rights and freedoms, snyper? Well, tell you what, snyper...the same stance you are taking in your response to my post is the same stance many of the people you claim are restricting the rights and freedoms of the group of people you seek to have upheld make when you bring up your argument for the establishment of rights and freedoms for the group you are trying to protect.

You are also missing the point, snyper...besides, there are SOME LGBT people that REFUSE to go through the 'medical procedure' you casually refer to. So, I suppose you are of the position that these LGBT people SHOULD leapfrog those that have chosen to undergo this 'medical procedure' and other procedures that would net them a child, without success? It figures if you say yes!

What was that about consulting the amendment of the U.S. Constitution, snyper? Has that, so far, helped to establish equal rights and freedoms for ALL people and groups in America, snyper? If not, how long should one wait to have those rights established, snyper? It's been quite a while since the first argument to have equal rights established for LGBT citizens, right snyper? So...how much longer, snyper? How many more Harvey Milk's have to die before fairness is uniformly spread across the world for EVERY person?

P.S. Just remember, not EVERYBODY abides by U.S. rules, and since I don't like America, and don't live there (by choice), I could care less what the American Constitution states on equal rights. I will say that it should be as simple as this...if the American Constitution states that equal rights are a given for ALL people (which it should), then that's the way it SHOULD be...if it doesn't, then the American Constitution should be AMENDED...SIMPLE AS THAT! snyper...I am not the enemy to your cause...I actually hope that equal rights for ALL are established someday...shame that Martin Luther King Jr.'s 'dream' never became a reality...

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snyper wrote:
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That's just a bunch of over-thought nonsense.
It's just a medical procedure.
There's nothing about "rights" in it, except the Freedom to have whatever medical procedures an individual and their physician deem appropriate.
Not every Freedom needs to codified as a "Right" to have intrinsic validity.
Consult Amendment. IX. of the U.S. Constitution.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#38 Aug 28, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just a bunch of over-thought nonsense.
It's just a medical procedure.
There's nothing about "rights" in it, except the Freedom to have whatever medical procedures an individual and their physician deem appropriate.
Not every Freedom needs to codified as a "Right" to have intrinsic validity.
Consult Amendment. IX. of the U.S. Constitution.
But...that's just 'over-thought' nonsense that I posted in my response to your 'under-thought' post, right snyper? SMDH

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#39 Aug 28, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop wearing your sexuality on your sleeve. Be judged by your character and achievements NOT who you share your bed with!
You people need to quit worrying about who we share a bed with. That is a HETERO issue!

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#40 Aug 28, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>You people need to quit worrying about who we share a bed with. That is a HETERO issue!
Stop shoving it in every bodies face! Be judged by your character and achievements!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41 Aug 28, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
Is that going to be your position when certain people in the group of people that you stand to defend to the death get preferential treatment over other people in the other group that you claim are usually denying your group their basic rights and freedoms, snyper? Well, tell you what, snyper...the same stance you are taking in your response to my post is the same stance many of the people you claim are restricting the rights and freedoms of the group of people you seek to have upheld make when you bring up your argument for the establishment of rights and freedoms for the group you are trying to protect.
You are also missing the point, snyper...besides, there are SOME LGBT people that REFUSE to go through the 'medical procedure' you casually refer to. So, I suppose you are of the position that these LGBT people SHOULD leapfrog those that have chosen to undergo this 'medical procedure' and other procedures that would net them a child, without success? It figures if you say yes!
What was that about consulting the amendment of the U.S. Constitution, snyper? Has that, so far, helped to establish equal rights and freedoms for ALL people and groups in America, snyper? If not, how long should one wait to have those rights established, snyper? It's been quite a while since the first argument to have equal rights established for LGBT citizens, right snyper? So...how much longer, snyper? How many more Harvey Milk's have to die before fairness is uniformly spread across the world for EVERY person?
P.S. Just remember, not EVERYBODY abides by U.S. rules, and since I don't like America, and don't live there (by choice), I could care less what the American Constitution states on equal rights. I will say that it should be as simple as this...if the American Constitution states that equal rights are a given for ALL people (which it should), then that's the way it SHOULD be...if it doesn't, then the American Constitution should be AMENDED...SIMPLE AS THAT! snyper...I am not the enemy to your cause...I actually hope that equal rights for ALL are established someday...shame that Martin Luther King Jr.'s 'dream' never became a reality...
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Again, over-thought nonsense. You are caught up in your ideology, and ideology by the way that doesn't reflect the principle that the US is based upon, that you wander off into vague impossibilities. It's like you're wrenching-atround facts to fit your desire to be opposed.

In simple terms ... I don't believe you.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#42 Aug 28, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, over-thought nonsense. You are caught up in your ideology, and ideology by the way that doesn't reflect the principle that the US is based upon, that you wander off into vague impossibilities. It's like you're wrenching-atround facts to fit your desire to be opposed.
In simple terms ... I don't believe you.
Doesn't matter if you don't believe me...this isn't MY issue, nor is it my ideology...I'm stating facts to you, and they don't necessarily apply to ONLY America, as the world is bigger than poor ol' U S of A, snyper! What YOU deem to be 'vague impossibilities' is a REALITY for many people that have been left with the feeling that they have been cheated, because another group of people have been given a certain entitlement. I could present an example to you that I don't find fair and that you wouldn't argue with, that would further your own argument, which is one of same-sex couples not being afforded the same right to marriage and the entitlements to marriage, and I wouldn't hear nothing but praise from you.

It happens to be though that when I answer a question in which LGBT people, that CHOOSE not to go through with trying to conceive children the conventional way, that I suddenly get an argument from you, and start hearing things from you that the facts that I'm placing on this forum is nothing but my attempt to configure facts to suit my passion for combatting any statement placed out there, isn't that what YOU believe, snyper???

So...let me get this straight, as this is the impression that I'm getting from you, snyper...what you are trying to say, snyper, is that the LGBT community not only has been denied equal rights and freedoms, but on top of that, NO PERSON from the LGBT community has been given preferential treatment or entitlement in the history of humankind, because that is what YOU believe? So, to sum it up in a nice little bundle, because your under-thought rants and your inability to be open-minded, balanced and impartial limit you in being able to understand the topic being discussed at present moment, much less at any other given time, is that you are either a LIAR (this I most definitely believe in), a sheltered case (could be), an ignorant LGBT bigot (strong possibility of that), or a flippant hypocrite (DING DING DING!!! Hit the nail on the head there...)!

Do me a favour, snyper...when you are capable of responding to one of my posts with an ounce of intelligence and credibility, please do so...I wouldn't mind getting into an INTELLECTUAL discussion with you sometime (believe we had previous conversations of such nature...just from what I'm trying to recall...). Until then, CHECK THE FACTS!

PEACE!
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#43 Aug 28, 2013
Well...as long as it is always 'those folks' fighting against 'you' folks, and vice-versa, then NONE of you guys will get the equal rights you seek to obtain, while crying out at the top of your lungs why you all are not recognized as the 'others' that have the rights you feel you all are entitled to.

It is about time you all 'folks' put this argument that you have with 'those folks' behind you, come together, and demand the government to establish the rights and freedoms you all want, and to make 'other' people recognize these established rights and freedoms...am I wrong there, snyper? Quest???

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Quest wrote:
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And yet it often seems that many of those folks are fighting against our civil rights, while demanding their own.
We don't seem to learn much from history.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#44 Aug 28, 2013
Forgot to thank you for taking the time to rate my comments, snyper...does it bring you any type of happiness doing so?

:D
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, over-thought nonsense. You are caught up in your ideology, and ideology by the way that doesn't reflect the principle that the US is based upon, that you wander off into vague impossibilities. It's like you're wrenching-atround facts to fit your desire to be opposed.
In simple terms ... I don't believe you.
Blacktigershark

Kingston, Jamaica

#45 Aug 28, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>You people need to quit worrying about who we share a bed with. That is a HETERO issue!
What you MEANT to say is that it "...is an issue for SOME heterosexual people", didn't you Imprtnrd...you wouldn't want to come off as being somebody that discriminates against ALL heterosexual people, do you Imprtnrd? I have NO PROBLEM with what adult LGBT person wants to share their bed with when it comes to another CONSENTING adult LGBT person, Imprtnrd, and I'm heterosexual myself.

Please, Imprtnrd, in the future, don't categorize heterosexual people like myself with other ignorant heterosexual people that are opposed to what consenting adult LGBT people share a bed with, alright kid? THANKS!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#46 Aug 28, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Stop shoving it in every bodies face! Be judged by your character and achievements!
Fine. Grant us our Equal Rights, in ALL respects, as GUARANTEED us by the U.S. constitution, and then we will "Stop shoving it in every bodies face!"

OK ?:)

(btw, in return I expect you to reciprocate by stopping your shoving of ROMAN CATHOLICISM DOWN THE THROATS of God-fearing American protestants by CEASING your parades all over the country every March 17th. Those shameful Roman Catholic parades are DISGUSTING and an affront to every God-fearing American Protestant. Agreed ?:))
Brit Expat

Nîmes, France

#47 Aug 28, 2013
'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals'?

Excuse me for asking! Am I naive?

But don't they usually bend over? LOL

Cyril aged 83.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#49 Aug 28, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals'?
Excuse me for asking! Am I naive?
But don't they usually bend over? LOL
Cyril aged 83.
No. Only the Arabs.

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