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'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals' - Stewart

There are 491 comments on the The Gleaner story from Aug 25, 2013, titled 'Somebody must stand up to homosexuals' - Stewart. In it, The Gleaner reports that:

A member of the local clergy is charging that Jamaican churches are in religious and spiritual turmoil on the issue of homosexuality.

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Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#306 Sep 21, 2013
Let's continue on this path of dissecting and responding to EACH one of your lame one liners, Rose_NoHo...
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I don't. Some do. We can't both be right. Simple logic.
The next time somebody says to you that God has set out rules for humankind to follow, ask them when God conveyed this wish to ALL humankind in the last decade. If God hasn't said anything to YOU, then God didn't communicate to YOU a set of rules that He wants YOU to follow, Rose_NoHo. What the F do you think MISSIONARIES are for, Rose_NoHo? And at that point in time, all missionaries can do is try to get you to hear what they are saying, and 'seek' God and His 'word'...if you don't believe, then that doesn't make you wrong, THOUGH it doesn't mean that those that believe aren't right either! Remember, you are talking to someone that does not believe that he will be parlaying beyond the pearly gates of heaven at the roulette table, and that's fine with me, though what it SIMPLY comes down to belief. What you believe and what somebody else believes can BOTH be right...this is something you have to learn as a gay rights activist that wants homophobes to tolerate LGBT people and respect their rights. It's full time you start respecting the same people you demand respect from!
Rose_NoHo wrote:
So, some people believe god wrote the laws on those tables, some don't. Again, both sets of people can't be right.
READ the Bible (AGAIN), Rose_NoHo. God did not write the Commandments on the TABLETS, Rose_NoHo...Moses did. It was Moses's claim that God spoke to him, and instructed Moses to grab these tablets and carve His Commandments into stone. Whether you can believe the word of MOSES (not God), is the issue...the next time somebody says that GOD wrote the Commandments on a tablet, grab a Bible and read back the part where MOSES actually wrote down the Commandments.

P.S. You also recognize the DIFFERENCE between the words laws and commandments, right Rose_NoHo? Laws are mandatory to comply with in society; commandments are commands, that people can either obey or disobey. Speaking about disobeying any of the 10 Commandments, Rose_NoHo, have you found that disobeying ALL of the Commandments (that have nothing to do with worshipping God and going to church on the seventh day) have led you down a prosperous road, where you have not wound up in any sort of trouble with anybody, kid? A non-response would be appropriate here, because it would go to prove that you have not disobeyed those Commandments that I have told you about, and that your life was better off because you chose to disobey one of these Commandments!
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I never made that claim, I'm an Atheist.
Then as I said before, THIS portion of your argument is moot, because I never made the claim that God wrote any laws anywhere either, and in responding to your last one-liner, I have shown you where you can find your answer, and recount your answer to those that say that God actually did write any sort of laws down for humankind to follow!

In addressing the fact that you have taken up an atheistic stance in the existence of God, that is your BELIEF, and you are entitled to your BELIEF...the minute you start talking about how your BELIEF is MORE than a BELIEF (which it is not), THAT is where the issue comes in. Again, I will parallel your BELIEF with the BELIEF some bigoted homophobes have in relation to marriage, which serves to deny same-sex couples the same rights and protections that heterosexual couples receive from marriage!
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I have.
Have what? So far, you haven't said, done or proven anything, and that is a FACT!
Rose_NoHo wrote:
What is your definition of god?
Non-relevant question, Rose_NoHo, and more so because you're an atheist, I'm agnostic, and just like yourself, that cannot explain certain phenomena, I cannot explain God. Either you believe or you don't. SIMPLE!
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#307 Sep 21, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I never said that inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and contradictions in the bible prove there isn't a god. I'm just saying that the inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and contradictions in the bible prove it's not the inerrant word of god.
So, how does stating that the Bible, that was not written by God (many know this as a fact already, so you are already regurgitating another moot point), proves that there is NOT a God, Rose_NoHo? You ARE an atheist, right Rose_NoHo? Prove that God DOESN'T exist, as you have CLAIMED to have done many times before (already a few times that I have seen myself just on THIS thread!)!!!

You have mentioned before that philosophers and scientists and 'wise men' have made mistakes about the Sun orbiting the Earth, and other theories that have been later proven to be false, Rose_NoHo...in focussing on the Sun orbiting the Earth fallacy, does that mean that the Sun doesn't exist, Rose_NoHo? Does it mean that Earth doesn't exist?

Remember I asked you where all on Earth you have physically been to, Rose_NoHo? Now...just because you haven't PHYSICALLY stood on every inch of the planet, and swam through every inch of water on this planet, does that mean that what you haven't seen DOESN'T exist, Rose_NoHo?

What was your 'argument' again, kid?

:D

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#308 Sep 21, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
Let's continue on this path of dissecting and responding to EACH one of your lame one liners, Rose_NoHo...
<quoted text>
The next time somebody says to you that God has set out rules for humankind to follow, ask them when God conveyed this wish to ALL humankind in the last decade. If God hasn't said anything to YOU, then God didn't communicate to YOU a set of rules that He wants YOU to follow, Rose_NoHo. What the F do you think MISSIONARIES are for, Rose_NoHo?
Which MISSIONARY position? Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormons? Baptists? Nation of Islam?
These groups have conflicting teachings, so they can't all be right. Why would god wait until it's too late to let me, and billions of others, know the truth? Free clue: he doesn't exist.
Blacktigershark wrote:
And at that point in time, all missionaries can do is try to get you to hear what they are saying, and 'seek' God and His 'word'...if you don't believe, then that doesn't make you wrong, THOUGH it doesn't mean that those that believe aren't right either! Remember, you are talking to someone that does not believe that he will be parlaying beyond the pearly gates of heaven at the roulette table, and that's fine with me, though what it SIMPLY comes down to belief. What you believe and what somebody else believes can BOTH be right...this is something you have to learn as a gay rights activist that wants homophobes to tolerate LGBT people and respect their rights. It's full time you start respecting the same people you demand respect from!
<quoted text>
JWs don't believe in hell.
Baptists do.
They can't both be right.
Blacktigershark wrote:

Have what? So far, you haven't said, done or proven anything, and that is a FACT!
Yes, I have. We don't all know god's rules. That's a fact.
So, either god doesn't have the ability to tell us all the rules.(So he's not all knowing or not all powerful, and thus not god) Or he doesn't have rules for us, and thus isn't god.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Non-relevant question, Rose_NoHo, and more so because you're an atheist, I'm agnostic, and just like yourself, that cannot explain certain phenomena, I cannot explain God. Either you believe or you don't. SIMPLE!
Or you can logically look at the evidence, and see god doesn't exist.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#310 Sep 21, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
So, how does stating that the Bible, that was not written by God (many know this as a fact already, so you are already regurgitating another moot point), proves that there is NOT a God, Rose_NoHo? You ARE an atheist, right Rose_NoHo?
Let me try again, a different way. I never said problems with the bible proved there is no god. Never. Get that? OK, cool.
BUT I'm saying that the problems with the bible show that if there is a god, the bible isn't his inerrant word.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Prove that God DOESN'T exist, as you have CLAIMED to have done many times before (already a few times that I have seen myself just on THIS thread!)!!!
I have proven god doesn't exist. Please read my proof again.
Blacktigershark wrote:
You have mentioned before that philosophers and scientists and 'wise men' have made mistakes about the Sun orbiting the Earth, and other theories that have been later proven to be false, Rose_NoHo...in focussing on the Sun orbiting the Earth fallacy, does that mean that the Sun doesn't exist, Rose_NoHo? Does it mean that Earth doesn't exist?
No, stupid, it doesn't. Do you think the earth doesn't exist?
(Free clue: scientists aren't all knowing. God is supposed to be all knowing.)
Blacktigershark wrote:
Remember I asked you where all on Earth you have physically been to, Rose_NoHo? Now...just because you haven't PHYSICALLY stood on every inch of the planet, and swam through every inch of water on this planet, does that mean that what you haven't seen DOESN'T exist, Rose_NoHo?
What was your 'argument' again, kid?
:D
Sigh...
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#311 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Which MISSIONARY position? Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormons? Baptists? Nation of Islam?
These groups have conflicting teachings, so they can't all be right. Why would god wait until it's too late to let me, and billions of others, know the truth? Free clue: he doesn't exist.
Again...just because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting events that occurred in the past, it doesn't mean that the past didn't exist. Same thing where groups of people have conflicting views of God. Just because some groups of people have different views of God, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist! Now come up with a VALID point that upholds your opinion, Rose_NoHo, because your blathering is played out!

There also is the possibility that EVERYBODY is right, if you look at things from their perspective, as some issues have to be looked upon that way, Rose_NoHo. For example, you would say to get to the American/Canadian border, you would have to travel North, and if the same person asked me, I would say that you would have to go South. Just because you and I both have different answers where it comes to reaching the border, it doesn't mean that the border doesn't exist. Oh...and for the most part, isn't the Canadian/American border invisible? Good thing that Canadians successfully fended off Americans...but that is another debate altogether!

Now, people can have conflicting aspects that they are teaching, and still all be right, while being distanced on certain particulars, based on how they see and interpret things, and from where they see it. I say that it was 12:30 when I logged onto this site, however, somebody in London, England, will likely say that I logged on at 7:30! Despite all of this, Rose_NoHo, nobody is able to tell you anything, and you are not convinced about anything, because you already have your beliefs and opinions, so God could have taken human form and debated God's "word" with you, and you would not have believed God, because you are an atheist, so it would not matter IF you have heard God's "word" or not...you would still not believe it, and because you are an atheist, you have no objectivity on this subject, so naturally, the sound of your own voice is what you believe trumps all other noise! Everybody else that thinks just like you has taken up the same beliefs and opinions, and are not open to any other rational points on the topic. Unfortunately for you, just because YOU say something, it doesn't make it true. Just like when some homophobes say that gays are going to burn in hell, and that God "intended" marriage to be between a man and a woman!

I don't need clues from somebody that cannot even provide ONE concrete point to maintain their opinion as one that I should consider as a valid statement, much less somebody that has no objectivity, and cannot explain quantum physics, much less other phenomena. UNTIL you are able to provide me ONE CONCRETE POINT that I should consider where it comes to hearing your opinion, I'm going to continue to say that your opinion is just that, and nothing more, Rose_NoHo.

Come up with a CREDIBLE statement to back up your belief, or simply give up, Rose_NoHo, because, just like homosexuality, everybody is entitled to their beliefs, and somebody's opinion doesn't trump other people's opinions, no matter what it is...whether it is believing in the existence of God, or believing that homosexuals have the right to marriage, or even if homosexuals have the right to life for that matter!

Go ahead and take the time to rate THIS comment of mine, Rose_NoHo, as I know you disagree with me, but you really have no argument, and that is all that I have to prove, which I successfully have!

:)
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#312 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
JWs don't believe in hell.
Baptists do.
They can't both be right.
Why can't both of them be right, Rose_NoHo...because YOU said so? Do you know the future? Do you know whether God said something that one group of people interpreted one way, and that another group interpreted another way???

One person's sanctuary can be another person's hell. Pretty sure that a Baptist would consider it an eternal hell IF they had to sit in a Kingdom Hall and listen to a Jehovah Witness sermon...go ahead, ask a Baptist!

On the other hand, Jehovah Witnesses have been known to attend other churches, to find out what the message of other churches are. Most of these Jehovah Witnesses don't see this to be 'hellish', for lack of better words.

Now...how does that make either one of these groups wrong? You right...it doesn't! They have their beliefs...can't argue with their beliefs, and they are both right. Doesn't America protect people's religious beliefs, AND religious differences? So yeah...America basically is saying that it is right to entitle other people to their religious beliefs, including your atheistic beliefs.

Thank America, after thanking me, of course!

;)

Glad that I can open your eyes to the laws and freedoms of your land, Rose!
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#313 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Yes, I have. We don't all know god's rules. That's a fact.
So, either god doesn't have the ability to tell us all the rules.(So he's not all knowing or not all powerful, and thus not god) Or he doesn't have rules for us, and thus isn't god.
YOU are an atheist, so no matter if you were told God's rules or not, you would not believe them, and thus, you would not acknowledge them. Another moot statement from you!

This doesn't mean that God has or hasn't said anything to mankind. Just like when the nuclear bomb was created by man, man did not have any rules in relation to the nuclear bomb. To imply that the only way that some phenomena or someone exists is through how this phenomena or someone administers 'rules' to humans is rather infantile and shortsighted. Consider my nuclear bomb explanation in regards to your rationalization that God doesn't exist, because God did not etch out rules for us from His own hand!

So maybe God did not script out any rules for mankind. Maybe God wanted to see if man was smart enough to make their own rules, where every man and woman could co-exist on this planet. Doesn't seem to be working with the likes of you though...sure this interests God, though God doesn't take an invasive approach to solving man's issues...God probably is hoping that man will figure out how to get beyond their issues themselves.

Now, if THAT is the case (which it very well could be), how does that prove that God isn't an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent phenomena, that you cannot explain? It DOESN'T...that's what I thought you would say, and I thank you now for agreeing with me that you really have no foot to stand on in relation to your belief!

Care to get back on topic now, or would you like me to soundly trounce you again in relation to your opinion about God?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#314 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Or you can logically look at the evidence, and see god doesn't exist.
Show the evidence FIRST, then maybe there will be something that can be logically looked upon, before we automatically jump to YOUR belief that God doesn't exist, Rose_NoHo...

Are you going to come up with PROOF or not?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#315 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Let me try again, a different way. I never said problems with the bible proved there is no god. Never. Get that? OK, cool.
BUT I'm saying that the problems with the bible show that if there is a god, the bible isn't his inerrant word.
Did I say that God wrote the Commandments or the Bible? I didn't? Glad you caught that. You may now see that there is actually ONE thing we AGREE on! Still doesn't prove your belief, Rose_NoHo! Got that? COOL!

Oh...by the way...didn't you say something about people that cap some of the words in their comments? Care to re-read your past comment where you mentioned something about caps, because it finally seems as if you are getting frustrated with the lack of arguing points your belief has, bucko!

;)
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#316 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
I have proven god doesn't exist. Please read my proof again.
Let's do this in a simpler way, since I have not seen any proof from you that validates your claim that you have proven that God doesn't exist.

Take the time to number your reasons why God doesn't exist, okay bud?

I'll help you get started of on your alleged 'proof'...you start out your reply in point form, starting with reason #1 like this...

1 - God does not exist because I say...
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#317 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
No, stupid, it doesn't. Do you think the earth doesn't exist?
(Free clue: scientists aren't all knowing. God is supposed to be all knowing.)
You are stating that God doesn't exist, and one reason you likely have that belief is because you haven't SEEN God, right Rose_NoHo?

You can either make yourself look like an idiot and say that that isn't one of the reasons that you don't believe that God doesn't exist, or you can simply admit it, and we can move on to rubbishing other beliefs of yours that you believe are fact. So what is it, Rose?

P.S. Do yourself a favour and buy some clues, because the ones you are giving out aren't worth shit!

:D

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#318 Sep 22, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
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Again...just because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting events that occurred in the past, it doesn't mean that the past didn't exist.
Wow, you are dumb. That analogy doesn't hold. This would be the correct analogy: Since because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting events that occurred in the past, it means the views can't all be correct.
Get it now?
Now here is a fact, because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting views of what god wants us to do, it means those views can't all be correct.
Blacktigershark wrote:
There also is the possibility that EVERYBODY is right,
That's not a possibility. Either god is rewarding the pilots who flew the planes into the WTC, or he isn't.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Despite all of this, Rose_NoHo, nobody is able to tell you anything, and you are not convinced about anything, because you already have your beliefs and opinions, so God could have taken human form and debated God's "word" with you, and you would not have believed God,
Maybe, but an all knowing god would be able to figure out what to do to get me to believe. And and all powerful god would be able to do it.
Blacktigershark wrote:
because you are an atheist, so it would not matter IF you have heard God's "word" or not...you would still not believe it, and because you are an atheist, you have no objectivity on this subject, so naturally, the sound of your own voice is what you believe trumps all other noise! Everybody else that thinks just like you has taken up the same beliefs and opinions, and are not open to any other rational points on the topic.
I'm waiting for a rational point...

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#319 Sep 22, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's do this in a simpler way, since I have not seen any proof from you that validates your claim that you have proven that God doesn't exist.
Take the time to number your reasons why God doesn't exist, okay bud?
I'll help you get started of on your alleged 'proof'...you start out your reply in point form, starting with reason #1 like this...
1 - God does not exist because I say...
1. Let's define/describe god. If we don't, if we just say something like "God is love", "god is all there is", or "god can't be defined", there is nothing to debate.(FACT)

2. God is defined as an all powerful, all knowing being who has rules he wants us to follow.(That will be the definition used for this debate, do you have a differnt one?)

3. We don't all know god's rules.(FACT, as people believe conflicting sets of rules are "god's", they can't all be right.)

4. Since we don't all know the rules, god either can't figure out how to tell us (not all knowing, and thus not god), is unable to tell us (not all powerful, and thus not god), or god doesn't care if we obey the rules or not (and thus isn't god.) QED

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#320 Sep 22, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't both of them be right, Rose_NoHo...because YOU said so? Do you know the future? Do you know whether God said something that one group of people interpreted one way, and that another group interpreted another way???
Wow...
They can't both be right because they are conflicting views. Either souls are being tormented for all time or they aren't.
Blacktigershark wrote:
One person's sanctuary can be another person's hell. Pretty sure that a Baptist would consider it an eternal hell IF they had to sit in a Kingdom Hall and listen to a Jehovah Witness sermon...go ahead, ask a Baptist!
On the other hand, Jehovah Witnesses have been known to attend other churches, to find out what the message of other churches are. Most of these Jehovah Witnesses don't see this to be 'hellish', for lack of better words.
Now...how does that make either one of these groups wrong?
LOL. Again, we have to set up a definition, or there is nothing to debate. if "Hell" can mean "an unpleasant situation", there is nothing to debate. Hell is defined as a place where souls are tormented for eternity because they didn't follow God's rules. The JW's don't believe in such a place, they don't believe in consciousness at all after death. The Baptists do believe in such a place. They can't both be right.
Blacktigershark wrote:
You right...it doesn't! They have their beliefs...can't argue with their beliefs, and they are both right. Doesn't America protect people's religious beliefs, AND religious differences? So yeah...America basically is saying that it is right to entitle other people to their religious beliefs, including your atheistic beliefs.
Thank America, after thanking me, of course!
;)
Glad that I can open your eyes to the laws and freedoms of your land, Rose!
? I'm not talking about denying people the right to be religious.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#321 Sep 22, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are an atheist, so no matter if you were told God's rules or not, you would not believe them, and thus, you would not acknowledge them. Another moot statement from you!
This doesn't mean that God has or hasn't said anything to mankind. Just like when the nuclear bomb was created by man, man did not have any rules in relation to the nuclear bomb. To imply that the only way that some phenomena or someone exists is through how this phenomena or someone administers 'rules' to humans is rather infantile and shortsighted. Consider my nuclear bomb explanation in regards to your rationalization that God doesn't exist, because God did not etch out rules for us from His own hand!
Guess my argument is a bit too complex for you. Let me try a short version. Since I (and billions of others) don't know what god's rules are, either god can't tell us, or doesn't care. So, which is it?
Blacktigershark wrote:
So maybe God did not script out any rules for mankind.
Then he wouldn't match the description of god I gave. What's your definition/description of god?
Blacktigershark wrote:
Maybe God wanted to see if man was smart enough to make their own rules, where every man and woman could co-exist on this planet. Doesn't seem to be working with the likes of you though...sure this interests God, though God doesn't take an invasive approach to solving man's issues...God probably is hoping that man will figure out how to get beyond their issues themselves.
Now, if THAT is the case (which it very well could be), how does that prove that God isn't an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent phenomena, that you cannot explain?
An all knowing being would know what's going to happen, and wouldn't "hope".
Blacktigershark wrote:
It DOESN'T...that's what I thought you would say, and I thank you now for agreeing with me that you really have no foot to stand on in relation to your belief!
Care to get back on topic now, or would you like me to soundly trounce you again in relation to your opinion about God?
I'm waiting...
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#322 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Wow, you are dumb. That analogy doesn't hold. This would be the correct analogy: Since because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting events that occurred in the past, it means the views can't all be correct.
Get it now?
Now here is a fact, because certain groups of HUMANS have different and conflicting views of what god wants us to do, it means those views can't all be correct.
Of course the analogy holds, retard! You don't want to acknowledge this truth, because you would then have to admit that ONE of your points are insignificant!

As I said, different groups of humans can have a different recollection of a past event, and interpret it differently, and when these interpretations are put beside each other years down the road, they can come across as conflicting! Also, with the fact that there are many people, from different places on this planet, that speak different languages, and have never congregated with each other to discuss with each other what each one has seen and heard, from different places on this planet, that does not mean that any one of these people are wrong, Rose_NoHo! Got THAT point that I have put to you now? I hope so, because even though I believe you are a flipping degenerate, I don't think you are THAT stupid, wherein it comes to my explanation on how two or more groups of people can have different, conflicting accounts of a certain event, yet can all be right!

Let me AGAIN to break it down for you in terms that you should understand, Rose...Today, you can write in your diary that you saw a meteorite that travelled north and crashed in the northeast. I could say that that SAME meteorite travelled north, but crashed in the southeast. Centuries down the road, someone can read your accounts and my accounts of the same meteorite, and say that we have conflicting accounts of this meteorite. These people that are looking at our conflicting accounts of this meteorite never saw the meteorite, and because of our conflicting accounts of this same meteorite, they are unable to find this meteorite. Now, since you want to come across to everybody as a person with intelligence, and in this situation, where the meteorite fragments cannot be found, because you and I have conflicting accounts of this meteorite's crash location, does that mean that any of us is lying, and if so, who is lying, Rose?

Like to hear your answer on that one!

P.S. Just remember, neither you nor I have given our physical locations in our accounts of this meteorite, yet we both maintain that this meteorite streaked through the sky on the same day...does that mean that because people centuries from now cannot find the meteorite crash site, and see that our recollections of the meteorite are conflicting, that the meteorite never existed?

You can answer that question also, smartypants...can't wait for your "educated" answer, Rose_NoHo...that is IF you are capable of ever providing us with any sort of an intelligent response, Rose!

:)

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#323 Sep 22, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
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Of course the analogy holds, retard! You don't want to acknowledge this truth, because you would then have to admit that ONE of your points are insignificant!
No, stupid, the analogy does not hold, because I'm not claiming god doesn't exist just because people differ on their claims about his laws.
Blacktigershark wrote:
As I said, different groups of humans can have a different recollection of a past event, and interpret it differently, and when these interpretations are put beside each other years down the road, they can come across as conflicting! Also, with the fact that there are many people, from different places on this planet, that speak different languages, and have never congregated with each other to discuss with each other what each one has seen and heard, from different places on this planet, that does not mean that any one of these people are wrong, Rose_NoHo!
Um, Einstein, if the recollections conflict, they can't all be right.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Got THAT point that I have put to you now? I hope so, because even though I believe you are a flipping degenerate, I don't think you are THAT stupid, wherein it comes to my explanation on how two or more groups of people can have different, conflicting accounts of a certain event, yet can all be right!
But dummy, they can't all be right. They might be giving their honest recollection about that happened, but if the recollections conflict, they can't all be right.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Let me AGAIN to break it down for you in terms that you should understand, Rose...Today, you can write in your diary that you saw a meteorite that travelled north and crashed in the northeast. I could say that that SAME meteorite travelled north, but crashed in the southeast. Centuries down the road, someone can read your accounts and my accounts of the same meteorite, and say that we have conflicting accounts of this meteorite.

These people that are looking at our conflicting accounts of this meteorite never saw the meteorite, and because of our conflicting accounts of this same meteorite, they are unable to find this meteorite. Now, since you want to come across to everybody as a person with intelligence, and in this situation, where the meteorite fragments cannot be found, because you and I have conflicting accounts of this meteorite's crash location, does that mean that any of us is lying, and if so, who is lying, Rose?
Like to hear your answer on that one!
LOL! Are you joking?
Blacktigershark wrote:
P.S. Just remember, neither you nor I have given our physical locations in our accounts of this meteorite, yet we both maintain that this meteorite streaked through the sky on the same day...does that mean that because people centuries from now cannot find the meteorite crash site, and see that our recollections of the meteorite are conflicting, that the meteorite never existed?
LOL! That has nothing to do with my argument. I'm not claiming meteorites are all knowing, all powerful, and want us to describe their travels in a certain way.
Blacktigershark wrote:
You can answer that question also, smartypants...can't wait for your "educated" answer, Rose_NoHo...that is IF you are capable of ever providing us with any sort of an intelligent response, Rose!
:)
Again, back to the actual argument. Not every religion can be right, as there are conflicting teachings. So, either god doesn't have the ability to let us know his rules, or he doesn't care if we follow them. Which do you think is the case?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#325 Sep 23, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
That's not a possibility. Either god is rewarding the pilots who flew the planes into the WTC, or he isn't.
Two answers to the same question IS possible, and can BOTH be right! Have you never taken high school math, kid? It would be your irrational thought process that would have you thinking that there can only be ONE answer to EVERY question. This has nothing to do with God "rewarding" American military terrorists that are hellbent on killing Americans and terrorizing the world with the same backwards rhetoric that you are trying to utter in relation to this issue of God's existence!

The existence of God doesn't rest on whether God is "rewarding" American traitors and extremists, or whether God has set out rules for humankind or not. God can still exist, and have said nothing to humankind, and have not "rewarded" anybody...you have not PROVEN that this cannot be the case, so if you are able to comprehend a valid counterargument to your beliefs, then you would see that you cannot bust my counterargument.

Mount a SOLID, BELIEVABLE argument that would support YOUR opinion, that God doesn't exist, and I will credit you with having achieved so! Until then, you still are uttering your beliefs, which, to be honest, mean shit to me and many other people out there, because you have NO PROOF! To say that you have proof, ONLY based on YOUR opinion, would almost be tantamount to saying that you are god, because you know something that you cannot prove, yet you expect everybody else to believe what you are saying! Sheesh!

Anybody else believe in Rose_NoHo's points that he's using to prop up his weak belief? Based on your ratings, Rose_NoHo, I tend to believe that that would be a "NO"!

P.S. Trying to rate your posts won't work for you, Rose_NoHo...nobody believes your arguments, and they don't give them any strength, not even the hardline atheists...that should tell you something, Rose!

;D
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#326 Sep 23, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Maybe, but an all knowing god would be able to figure out what to do to get me to believe. And and all powerful god would be able to do it.
It has been said that God gave man free will and choice. The possibility that God could meld your mind, and compel you to believe in Him is not beyond his powers (supposedly, from what is written in the Bible), but if God is trying to be fair, then why would He control your thoughts?

In trying to debate this issue of God's existence, Rose_NoHo, you HAVE read the Bible, right?

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
I'm waiting for a rational point...
Well, then present a rational point, Rose_NoHo, because so far, your beliefs are nothing more than just hot air from down there, and nobody likes being around a foul belief that reeks of BS!
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#327 Sep 23, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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1. Let's define/describe god. If we don't, if we just say something like "God is love", "god is all there is", or "god can't be defined", there is nothing to debate.(FACT)
2. God is defined as an all powerful, all knowing being who has rules he wants us to follow.(That will be the definition used for this debate, do you have a differnt one?)
3. We don't all know god's rules.(FACT, as people believe conflicting sets of rules are "god's", they can't all be right.)
4. Since we don't all know the rules, god either can't figure out how to tell us (not all knowing, and thus not god), is unable to tell us (not all powerful, and thus not god), or god doesn't care if we obey the rules or not (and thus isn't god.) QED
I'm going to go through your 'points' and show you why your 'points' are not valid arguments to hold up your belief, and why you are failing in convincing an agnostic like myself to believe that there is no God...

1. If you are able to define other phenomena that you have previously said you could not define, then maybe this reason of yours would hold water. Since you cannot explain other phenomena, then this argument about God not existing falls flat also. Either you know it all, and can define ALL phenomena, which means that you can also explain why God doesn't exist, or you can't explain all phenomena, which means you also cannot explain the phenomena that is God, as you would not know it all, and thus cannot say WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that God does or does not exist. FACT!

2. The definition of God that you are trying to run with is one that has been taken from INCOMPLETE scriptures, that were written by MAN, not by God, so taking that definition to heart in relation to the definition of God would be an irresponsible and dangerous one to believe. This is probably your core problem...just like the formation and existence of the universe (or is it a duoverse...WHO KNOWS???), God is a supposed phenomena that people LIKE YOU strive to define, but cannot. That is the point you are failing to grasp! Second point crushed!

3. You continue on with these 'rules' that you say that others say that God bestowed down to mankind, and that their interpretations of these 'rules' are conflicting, and that people like yourself don't know ALL of God's rules. I have said this once, and I will say it again...MAN wrote the scriptures, the words on the tablets, etc. God didn't write anything! You are caught up on what people are saying...you are looking for contrasting points. You have pointed out contrasting points, yet what you don't acknowledge is that people lie, and some people lie for personal gain, such as lying about God telling them in a vision that homosexuals are an abomination, that should be given no rights, and that need to be eradicated from this planet. I can see you not believing God saying something like what I had just pointed out to you in the last sentence, and demanding to see God face to face IF God were to have said such a thing (which I doubt that He did), HOWEVER, because these people may have written lies in their historical accounts of God, and lied about what He said, this, by no means, DISPROVES that God exists, Rose_NoHo! NOBODY, not even God, is compelled to give mankind any sort of rules, in order to be classified as an existing presence. I just find it funny how many atheists are quick to say that God doesn't exist, yet they are more susceptible to believing in aliens and U.F.O.'s from other planets and galaxies that they have never seen for themselves! LOL!

4. Just because 'we' humans don't know God's 'rules'(if God has HONESTLY bestowed any rules for mankind to follow or not), does not mean that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent God does not exist! As far as I recall, there is nothing that was written about God that says that He's omni-amorous! God could be a sadistic voyeur, for all we know, waiting for us to kill each other! ZING!

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