Same-sex suburban couples are changin...

Same-sex suburban couples are changing the equality fight

There are 22 comments on the Salon story from Sunday Sep 23, titled Same-sex suburban couples are changing the equality fight. In it, Salon reports that:

This summer, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a ruling in the most important case involving same-sex marriage since it became legal in all 50 states. On its surface, the Masterpiece Cakeshop case looked like it was a contest about discrimination and the meaning of religious liberty.

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“Equality First”

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#1 Monday Sep 24
Where has this writer been for the last 50 years. Gays and lesbians in the St. Louis metro area began moving to the suburbs beginning at least by the early 1960's. My spouse and I moved into a village in the suburbs in the middle 70's, and there had already been other couples there for over ten years at that time. Not all of us were into the "gentrifying" of city neighborhoods, though many were. Of course, gays and lesbians often had to try to live under the radar at that time, but I'm sure some of their neighbors were well aware. I can't speak to other area of the country, but I cannot remember any hate fueled attacks on gay homes in this area until much, much later.
Antoine

Rockford, MI

#3 Monday Sep 24
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Queens sending gays into family neighborhoods was the same as queens sending gays into Catholic seminaries to then send gays to molest young men across the nation.

These type of invasions result in the same depravity and false claims we saw in Texas... sexually depraved deviants intentionally making unrivaled degrees of noise in the middle of the night and waking little children with their screams... all for the duality of wanting attention and imposing their sickness on the whole community, their children and nation. Like the sodomites of Sodom, they have snaked their disgusting ways into your children's mentality. They increased their assaults from high schools, to middle schools to primary schools. Now, they want to indoctrinate day care children with ridiculous confusions about their genders. America will eventually identify and house these perverts in camps.
Well said and 100% spot on!.
Antoine

Rockford, MI

#6 Monday Sep 24
Junos Rising Star wrote:
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First off, you are lying
If you moved there in the 70s, it was with no spouse. Also, a few aberrations don't make a trend. Much much later, you mean, like after gays started hate fueled attacks churches, blacks and anyone who was normal. YOU ARE THE NAMBLA crowd, and your deology has always been to get around children in suburban neighborhood. Gosh, your gay rights leaders were all gay pedophiles.
Again, spot on! Their hero Harvey Milk was a child molester.

“Equality First”

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#7 Monday Sep 24
I should have known my post would bring out the wackos. You'd think I'd know better by now.
Antoine

Rockford, MI

#8 Monday Sep 24
RalphB likes to pretend homosexuality is normal and that somehow his "marriage" farce proves that.
Antoine

Rockford, MI

#9 Monday Sep 24
No normal person in their right mind would have accepted two gay men living together back in the 70s. If two queers moved into a suburban neighborhood they must have kept their homosexuality a secret. Which is really the way it should still be today.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#10 Monday Sep 24
RalphB wrote:
I should have known my post would bring out the wackos. You'd think I'd know better by now.
Yes, that it did! Makes me laugh at them though!

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#11 Monday Sep 24
Antoine wrote:
No normal person in their right mind would have accepted two gay men living together back in the 70s. If two queers moved into a suburban neighborhood they must have kept their homosexuality a secret. Which is really the way it should still be today.
You might trying to grow up and get over yourself!

“Equality First”

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#12 Monday Sep 24
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that it did! Makes me laugh at them though!
It would help tremendously if they ever were to put two intelligent words together, and maybe express at least a rational thought. But no........ ever the irrational meanderings with no forethought or coherence.
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Monday Sep 24
Junos Rising Star wrote:
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Well, this is true, so the gays will hate it. You are not supposed to know. You are supppsed to be aftaid that they might attack your business.
Oh, MESSENGER OF LOVE, here's a tissue for your reparative therapay issues.
Randomutation

Austin, TX

#14 Monday Sep 24
It's not against the law to deny service to a gay person unless you deny them service because they are gay. Jack Phillips did not deny service because the customers were gay. He denied service only because the requested service would entail creating a cake that would celebrate a sentiment he disagrees with. That's not a violation of the law. He should never have been charged.

“Equality First”

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#15 Monday Sep 24
Randomutation wrote:
It's not against the law to deny service to a gay person unless you deny them service because they are gay. Jack Phillips did not deny service because the customers were gay. He denied service only because the requested service would entail creating a cake that would celebrate a sentiment he disagrees with. That's not a violation of the law. He should never have been charged.
I may be incorrect, because I haven't been following the cases having to do with cakes all that closely. That said, I believe in this case the court did not rule on the issue itself, but rather said there were irregularities in how it was handled in the lower court. So, I suppose we will have to wait to see if the lower court does anything else with it.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#17 Monday Sep 24
Randomutation wrote:
It's not against the law to deny service to a gay person unless you deny them service because they are gay. Jack Phillips did not deny service because the customers were gay. He denied service only because the requested service would entail creating a cake that would celebrate a sentiment he disagrees with. That's not a violation of the law. He should never have been charged.
BS! He discriminated against them. No one told him he couldn't believe what he does. He DOES have to follow the law. If your in business to the public you serve ALL the public or make your business private!
Frankie Rizzo

Piscataway, NJ

#18 Monday Sep 24
RalphB wrote:
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It would help tremendously if they ever were to put two intelligent words together, and maybe express at least a rational thought. But no........ ever the irrational meanderings with no forethought or coherence.
Yes. Straight posters can't put two words together! Only gay posters can.
Impeach the Creep

Madison, WI

#19 Monday Sep 24
Junos Rising Star wrote:
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Well, this is true, so the gays will hate it. You are not supposed to know. You are supppsed to be aftaid that they might attack your business.
Cordweiner is our resident pedo, and will happily expound, at great length, upon any interest you happen to have in the perversion.

You might not want to jump on board his train so quickly.
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Monday Sep 24
Randomutation wrote:
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It's not against the law to deny service to a gay person unless you deny them service because they are gay. Jack Phillips did not deny service because the customers were gay.
You're so pleased with your derangement.

The bigot businesses offer unequal service based solely on the sexes of the couples seeking wedding services. That impinges on both sex discrimination and on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Carter

Ann Arbor, MI

#24 Monday Sep 24
Junos Rising Star wrote:
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Harry Hay, the architect of the gay movement, and go under if the Nsttachune Society, that provided all 30 subjects, epitomizes all gays. At 14 he was raped by a 24 year old gay adult. He called tgat his great love and sexual liberation. He went on to marry a woman for 30 years. Became gay, syaryed wearing dresses, as a gay, not transgender, was an honorary communist, started the Radical Faeries and Mattachine Society, supported NAMBLA, and believed that boy love was necessary sexual mentoring for children to be comfortable as gay adults.
Great info. Thanks for sharing!

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Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub

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#27 Monday Sep 24
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Actually, maybe now, but then gay marriages were illegal in Colorado.
When and where marriage equality became law has nothing to do with the issue involved...which you stupidly tried to deflect the discussion from. The law in CO protects on the basis of sexual orientation.

Another bigot tried to argue that denying equal service to same sex couples is not discrimination based on sexual orientation. It is, obviously. That was the point, much to your psychosexual illness displeasure.

BTW, it's worth noting that not even the most feral, right wing lawyer involved tried to make your bizarre argument about whether marriage equality was in effect or not. A normal person - you are far from it - might have taken a fundie clue from that fact. But you know bigots - dumb, dumb, sick, sexually disordered, lying, confused.
Randomutation

Austin, TX

#28 Tuesday Sep 25
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>BS! He discriminated against them. No one told him he couldn't believe what he does. He DOES have to follow the law. If your in business to the public you serve ALL the public or make your business private!
Here’s what the Colorado law says:“It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group, because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation ...“
The key term there is “because of”. You cannot deny service BECAUSE OF the sexual orientation. You can deny service to anyone as long as the denial is not BECAUSE OF their race, sexual orientation, sex, creed, etc. In particular, you can deny service because the requested service entails creating a cake that celebrates a message you disagree with.

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#29 Tuesday Sep 25
Ted Haggard s Gospel Rub wrote:
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You're so pleased with your derangement.

The bigot businesses offer unequal service based solely on the sexes of the couples seeking wedding services. That impinges on both sex discrimination and on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Wrong. The very same couple could obtain a customized cake from the very same baker as long as the cake does not celebrate a message the baker objects to. It’s all about the message, and not at all about the customers.

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