Christie's Future Clouded by Gay Marriage

Oct 23, 2013 Full story: EDGE 64

WASHINGTON Gov. Chris Christie, the popular, outspoken Republican governor of a heavily Democratic state, is making a delicate bid to cast himself as a leader of a more inclusive Republican Party as he seeks re-election and ponders a White House run.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#42 Oct 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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"UNTRUE" would describe everything that followed in your post.
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Cheney never said that until his political career was over. He has never lifted a finger to help the community when it counted.
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He also repeatedly promised a constitutional amendment banning such marriages nationwide. Enough said.
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Reagan peppered his speeches with dog whistles for the homophobic evangelical community. He ignored the AIDS epidemic completely. I have no doubt that, if marriage had been in play during his Presidency, Reagan would have sided with the evangelical coalition.
Why do you make up nice things about Republicans when everyone knows it's a lie?
You and your cohorts, minions, and fellow travelers apparently choose to live in an alternate [UN]-reality.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#43 Oct 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>....Why do you make up nice things about Republicans when everyone knows it's a lie?
Because he's a troll and that's what trolls do. They post anything and everything that they think will get everyone all stirred up and screaming, no matter how ridiculous or baseless.

Frankly, I just skip over and ignore pretty much any post that has his name anywhere on it. There's never anything worthwhile in discussions he's involved in anyway.

The only reason I read the one I'm responding to now is because I usually DO read your posts, Jeff.

;)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#44 Oct 26, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Because he's a troll and that's what trolls do. They post anything and everything that they think will get everyone all stirred up and screaming, no matter how ridiculous or baseless.
Frankly, I just skip over and ignore pretty much any post that has his name anywhere on it. There's never anything worthwhile in discussions he's involved in anyway.
The only reason I read the one I'm responding to now is because I usually DO read your posts, Jeff.
;)
Well, thanks eJohn.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#45 Oct 26, 2013
Well, despite all our differences at least the one ting we can all agree on is that The Obamaniac is Evil. PURE EVIL.

At LEAST we can all agree on that !:)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#46 Oct 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Well, despite all our differences at least the one ting we can all agree on is that The Obamaniac is Evil. PURE EVIL.
At LEAST we can all agree on that !:)
At LEAST we can all agree you're a moron!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#47 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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At LEAST we can all agree you're a moron!
Nope. I disagree.! And so do millions of others.

:)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#48 Oct 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Nope. I disagree.! And so do millions of others.
:)
Those must be the same millions who have turned from homosexuality through prayer.

“=”

Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#49 Oct 28, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Thanks!!(about the insightful part)
I probably didn't express myself as clearly as I should have. I *get* that he's a politician and all politicians lie and play games to get what they want. BUT....
You *KNOW* the Elizabeth Warren is all about. You *KNOW* what John McCain is all about. There's really no question about what Obama wants. Sure, they play the game, in the way that Obama supported marriage equality right up until he started running for President, and then suddenly he became "conflicted" about it and started using code phrases like "deserve equal treatment under the law" while also saying "one man and one woman". We ALL knew what he was doing and where he really stood all along. We also knew that he couldn't help the gay community if he came out for gay rights and lost the election.
But with people like Christie, I don't really think anyone knows what he's about or whether or not to trust what he says. The people in his state seem to love him, but the Republican Party and social conservatives hate him with a passion. He's definitely not a RINO because he's got extremely conservative social views. He stands up for his constituents, unless they GLBT. He's apparently been spending money in New Jersey like a drunken sailor, while claiming to be a fiscal conservative. I just don't think he's trustworthy to ANYONE.
I think he's so busy changing his positions and riding both sides of the fence that there's no way to really know what the hell he's all about.
That's pretty much what I meant. I've been trying to shorten up my posts here because I know the don't get read when they're too long. I guess I shortened that last one up too much, huh?
I agree with pretty much everything you said. You're right. It's hard to tell where Christie REALLY stands on certain issues. There are probably lots of republicans who are just fine with same sex marriage and things like ENDA, but are deathly afraid of losing their seats or not getting elected, so they feel pressured to pretend to be as bigoted as some big shot campaign contributors and lobbying groups are.

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Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#50 Oct 28, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
"UNTRUE" would describe everything that followed in your post.
<quoted text>
Cheney never said that until his political career was over. He has never lifted a finger to help the community when it counted.
<quoted text>
He also repeatedly promised a constitutional amendment banning such marriages nationwide. Enough said.
<quoted text>
Reagan peppered his speeches with dog whistles for the homophobic evangelical community. He ignored the AIDS epidemic completely. I have no doubt that, if marriage had been in play during his Presidency, Reagan would have sided with the evangelical coalition.
Why do you make up nice things about Republicans when everyone knows it's a lie?
"Why do you make up nice things about Republicans when everyone knows it's a lie?"

It's the only thing he does well.
poeticjustice

Corinth, MS

#51 Oct 28, 2013
CHRISTIE jus added another nail 2 his 2016 run for president. Any sign that shows that your NOT willing 2 fight2 the bitter end on social issues,like gay maggiage & abortion will come bac 2 bite u on the butt. Cruz & Rand are licking their lips 2 crush Christie. He is the only hope 4 the gop 2 win,but the TEA PARTY WILL NVR ACCEPT HIM.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#52 Oct 28, 2013
poeticjustice wrote:
CHRISTIE jus added another nail 2 his 2016 run for president. Any sign that shows that your NOT willing 2 fight2 the bitter end on social issues,like gay maggiage & abortion will come bac 2 bite u on the butt. Cruz & Rand are licking their lips 2 crush Christie. He is the only hope 4 the gop 2 win,but the TEA PARTY WILL NVR ACCEPT HIM.
yikes!! education in MS is even worse than the stats show it to be!

how can people as stupid as you actually govern themselves? oh yeah, you don't, the rest of the states have to support you...

so sad...
poeticjustice

Corinth, MS

#53 Oct 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yikes!! education in MS is even worse than the stats show it to be!
how can people as stupid as you actually govern themselves? oh yeah, you don't, the rest of the states have to support you...
so sad...
Nice detour off topic! Guess the old saying is true. when someone can't prove your wrong they will always change the subject. Your mad cause the gop has no choice, but 2 fight the tea party or be destroyed.lol FACTS & studying human behavior have nothing2 do w/education. AM sure More ppl listen2 me then you anyway.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#54 Oct 28, 2013
poeticjustice wrote:
<quoted text>Nice detour off topic! Guess the old saying is true. when someone can't prove your wrong they will always change the subject. Your mad cause the gop has no choice, but 2 fight the tea party or be destroyed.lol FACTS & studying human behavior have nothing2 do w/education. AM sure More ppl listen2 me then you anyway.
hard to prove a pointless post wrong...yes, the if the GOP is to survive they must seperate all the far radical right elements and the crazy evangelicals.

the last election cycle proved that beyond doubt. sadly, their own "autopsy" after that cycle shows they did not learn from it...
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Warrington, PA

#55 Oct 28, 2013
poeticjustice wrote:
CHRISTIE jus added another nail 2 his 2016 run for president. Any sign that shows that your NOT willing 2 fight2 the bitter end on social issues,like gay maggiage & abortion will come bac 2 bite u on the butt. Cruz & Rand are licking their lips 2 crush Christie. He is the only hope 4 the gop 2 win,but the TEA PARTY WILL NVR ACCEPT HIM.
NORMAL Americans do not want government in their bedrooms or personal lives. Go crawl back underneath the rock you slither out from under! The teabaggers are a bunch of uneducated whackaloons! By the way, you need some serious spelling and grammar lessons moron! teabaggers are treasonous scum that should be removed from civilized society!! They are worse than communists!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#56 Oct 28, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
<quoted text>
NORMAL Americans do not want government in their bedrooms or personal lives. Go crawl back underneath the rock you slither out from under! The teabaggers are a bunch of uneducated whackaloons! By the way, you need some serious spelling and grammar lessons moron! teabaggers are treasonous scum that should be removed from civilized society!! They are worse than communists!
what? you could actually tell if she is for or against either chrisie or SSM from her idiotic tweenage post?

9i doubt she even knows what the hell she is for or against...

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#57 Oct 29, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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You must be living off of your savings. Ours is up over 200%. Obama is almost as terrible at being a socialist as Bush was at being a capitalist.
What's amazing, though, is that those financial geniuses on Wall Street haven't learned to read a chart, yet. If they had, they would realize that the performance under Obama vs Bush, while extreme, is part of a well-established pattern: the economy and the stock market do better under Democrats than Republicans. It seems like the only requirement to being Republican is being stupid enough to vote against both your own interests and those of the country while waving your flag and proclaiming something about American Exceptionalism.
I've been wanting to get back to you for a few days, but kept getting side-tracked. Anyway, I think 200% sounds a bit much. I suspect you have been adding to your portfolio over the past five years, which is the period I was talking about. I was figuring from 1/16/09 which was Obama's date of taking office. The Dow has risen 80% and the S&P has risen 107%. Since I have a very conservative portfolio, reflecting my desire to maintain principle, I only dropped 18% when most investors lost 20 or more percentage points prior to that date. I have added no capital to my position. I sense you have, which would account for the wide disparity. If you have added no capital, 200% appears to be overly optimistic.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#58 Oct 29, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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You must be living off of your savings. Ours is up over 200%. Obama is almost as terrible at being a socialist as Bush was at being a capitalist.
What's amazing, though, is that those financial geniuses on Wall Street haven't learned to read a chart, yet. If they had, they would realize that the performance under Obama vs Bush, while extreme, is part of a well-established pattern: the economy and the stock market do better under Democrats than Republicans. It seems like the only requirement to being Republican is being stupid enough to vote against both your own interests and those of the country while waving your flag and proclaiming something about American Exceptionalism.
By the way, no, I am not living off my investments. I live off Soc. Sec. and a very nice pension, which is almost double my Soc. Sec. I'm only 69. I'm saving my portfolio for my old age :)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#59 Oct 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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I've been wanting to get back to you for a few days, but kept getting side-tracked. Anyway, I think 200% sounds a bit much. I suspect you have been adding to your portfolio over the past five years, which is the period I was talking about. I was figuring from 1/16/09 which was Obama's date of taking office. The Dow has risen 80% and the S&P has risen 107%. Since I have a very conservative portfolio, reflecting my desire to maintain principle, I only dropped 18% when most investors lost 20 or more percentage points prior to that date. I have added no capital to my position. I sense you have, which would account for the wide disparity. If you have added no capital, 200% appears to be overly optimistic.
We are way off topic here, but I'm not quite sure where your numbers come from. They are in the ball park, but the returns I see are 119% for S&P500, 96% for Dow, and 173% for NASDAQ. BTW: Obama was inaugurated on Jan 20, 2009. Perhaps a few days on either end explain the difference in the calculation.

Those returns are before dividends, which add another 10%. We're pretty heavy in techs and financials, so we really got clobbered during the downturn. But we've had a nice bounce back.

So, no, 200% is not terribly remarkable.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#60 Oct 29, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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By the way, no, I am not living off my investments. I live off Soc. Sec. and a very nice pension, which is almost double my Soc. Sec. I'm only 69. I'm saving my portfolio for my old age :)
Don't save it for your old age. Enjoy now. If you wait too long, the only thing you'll have to spend your money on is doctors and nurses--and perhaps the occasional luggage carrier.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#61 Oct 29, 2013
poeticjustice wrote:
<quoted text>Nice detour off topic! Guess the old saying is true. when someone can't prove your wrong they will always change the subject. Your mad cause the gop has no choice, but 2 fight the tea party or be destroyed.lol FACTS & studying human behavior have nothing2 do w/education. AM sure More ppl listen2 me then you anyway.
These people who listen to you, do they ever appear outside your head?

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