Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rho...

Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island

There are 525 comments on the New York Daily News story from Jan 15, 2013, titled Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

Supporters of same-sex marriage rights plan to assemble at the Rhode Island Statehouse to urge lawmakers to make the smallest state the 10th to allow gay and lesbian couples to wed - and the last to do so in New England.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#452 Jan 23, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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I didn't see this post, before I responded to another post regarding a similar issue. Anyway, does your cousin ever wonder who is his bio parents are? Whether or not he has bio siblings? His bio parents background, ethnicity, etc.
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Neither one of us, nor society at large know what the long term consequences are in legalizing SSM. It may take a generation plus, and nationwide legal SSM to fully understand the ramifications of it. We've seen the long term negative effects of "no-fault" divorce, and it ain't good. Some states have rethought this and have taken step to lower the divorce rate. NY was the last state I think to adopt no fault divorce, which is rather ironic considering adultery is still on the books as a criminal offense. So a wife no fault divorces her husband, who committed adultery but, technically can have him prosecuted for adultery. Strange. Anyway, before we redefine the fundamental understanding of marriage and codify that in law, we ought to think long and hard.
Somewhere in a previous post I think you had originally stated you would have accepted a "civil union" type legal structure, but due to opposition on that you changed your mind. Perhaps that's the solution.....but I'm sure there's enough opposition on both sides to see that won't happen.
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Hellooooo Sheepie...marriage is an opposite sex union, at the very least, historically, all the laws, including case law, prior to 2004 mass, reflect that....so that statement doesn't really make alot of sense. Remember SSMers want to graft same sex marriage onto the existing legal marriage framework of the relationship of husband and wife, not the otherway around. Not everything will apply equally, nor is the foundation the same.
As I noted elsewhere, it's not like we went from homosexuality being illegal to gays marrying in one day.

Not being able to predict the future is no reason to continue discriminating against same-sex families.

Yes, it's to late now for a civil unions compromise; about 20 years too late.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#453 Jan 23, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, if polygamy is accepted by society it will be because society has decided to return to what marriage was for millenia.
Sigh....Sheepie....you know SSM has given polygamists hope. The Brown Family thanks you, and extends their support for gay marriage.

Sister Wives Stars Reveal Their Stance On Gay Marriage
Access Hollywood - Thursday, May 10, 2012

The stars of TLC's "Sister Wives" have an unconventional marriage, so how do they feel about the issue of gay marriage?

Kody Brown, and his four wives - Meri, Janelle, Robyn and Christine - stopped by Access Hollywood Live on Thursday, where they shared with Billy Bush and guest co-host Lisa Rinna their thoughts on the hot button topic.

"I have been able to choose and define my marriage and I think everybody should be able to do that," Kody explained. "Choose and define who you marry, choose and define who you love."

So when it comes to loving, how do the five reality stars navigate the pitfalls of having multiple partners?

"We don't discuss it, but I do what I can to spend time with all my wives," Kody told Billy when asked how he divides his intimate time with his four wives.

"[I] respect and nurture every relationship and just make sure everybody is good," he continued. "Respecting everybody's space and each relationship."

Does jealousy ever rear its ugly head in the Brown households?

"We deal with jealousy, but that's kind of what the point is, to kind of get over yourself and realize there are other people beside you," Robyn, who welcomed new son Solomon in October, explained.

Wife Janelle explained that their children - 17 of them!- aren't ridiculed at school for their unconventional family.

"The friends at school don't seem to have as much of an issue, they have usual families too," she explained. "It's very different now, the definition of relationship."
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#454 Jan 24, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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nice work here and I mean it. While admitting we both have nothing to rely on, you still kept going until you came out on top...
ever consider a career in politics?
I would suggest that we have too little understanding to make the call right now. things like early puberty and other biochemical factors have yet to be explored...
and right now, gays use the animus out there as a cover..."they are depressed due to hostility..." soon that will be gone...and we will see if any of those factors continue...
In the grand scheme of things we always jump full into everything and then find we are flat wrong...
as we reject traditional families we are finding our kids are having all kinds of issues we never saw...
I do expect that we will discover that a gender less society is a danger...and that we need to accept who were are and not who we want to be...
I do not think the science will support that a genderless society is a positive thing...it will turn out that it is negative in that we are negating who were are, not realizing it...
the one thing you need us all to "believe" is that gender roles are bad, and that aint so solid yet...
A genderless society? WTF? Who is advocating for a genderless society? Talk about hyperbole.....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#455 Jan 24, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Sigh....Sheepie....you know SSM has given polygamists hope. The Brown Family thanks you, and extends their support for gay marriage.
No reason they can't have hope just like anyone else in America.

If society decides to allow polygamist marriage, then I have no problem with it.
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#456 Jan 24, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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A genderless society? WTF? Who is advocating for a genderless society? Talk about hyperbole.....
when you claim two men can substitute for a mother that's exactly what you need us to believe...

what job did you do for GE fraud boy?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#458 Jan 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No reason they can't have hope just like anyone else in America.
If society decides to allow polygamist marriage, then I have no problem with it.
Mark your calendar now...August 19. Could you bring the rainbow sherbert?:)

http://www.polygamyday.com/

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#459 Jan 24, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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when you claim two men can substitute for a mother that's exactly what you need us to believe...
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Who is trying to substitute two men for ANY specific mother?

Which mother out there in the world is being replaced? Can you name her? Where does she live? Are the two men going to court to steal her children? Are the two men physically removing her from her family? Evicting her form her own house?

You are going to need to explain how this "substitution" works.
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#460 Jan 25, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Who is trying to substitute two men for ANY specific mother?
Which mother out there in the world is being replaced? Can you name her? Where does she live? Are the two men going to court to steal her children? Are the two men physically removing her from her family? Evicting her form her own house?
You are going to need to explain how this "substitution" works.
you guys are just in love with your own stupid word games aren't you?

is there any difference between two men, and a man and woman, in raising a child?

so, your post was just nonsense words, right?

DeDominicis

“John Averitt is a molester.”

Since: Nov 08

Cookeville

#461 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Just two? Any two? That begs the question, "What is marriage"? We keep brother and sister from marriage, they're "two adult humans". We keep, for example, Mrs. Brown, Kody Brown's second wife from marriage...legal marriage that is....what fear of their bedroom antics is there?
Incest brings about birth defects and a non human animal cant choose to make a promise, it communicated differently, even if an animal could fall in love, it would just be a case of the partner giving the animal no other choice as to where to stay and or arrested development. I dont believe that homosexuality does anything bad save for the fact ythat it angers sheltered religionists who shoul dbe learning about their God figure anyway.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#462 Jan 25, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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you guys are just in love with your own stupid word games aren't you?
is there any difference between two men, and a man and woman, in raising a child?
so, your post was just nonsense words, right?
Nothing which prevents them from being just as effective & loving parents; just like opposite-sex couples.

Some are great, some are bad, most are somewhere in the middle.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#463 Jan 25, 2013
DeDominicis wrote:
<quoted text>Incest brings about birth defects and a non human animal cant choose to make a promise, it communicated differently, even if an animal could fall in love, it would just be a case of the partner giving the animal no other choice as to where to stay and or arrested development. I dont believe that homosexuality does anything bad save for the fact ythat it angers sheltered religionists who shoul dbe learning about their God figure anyway.
"Non human animal".....don't think I mentioned that.

Here's what I write:
Just two? Any two? That begs the question, "What is marriage"? We keep brother and sister from marriage, they're "two adult humans". We keep, for example, Mrs. Brown, Kody Brown's second wife from marriage...legal marriage that is....what fear of their bedroom antics is there?
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#464 Jan 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nothing which prevents them from being just as effective & loving parents; just like opposite-sex couples.
Some are great, some are bad, most are somewhere in the middle.
okay, do me a favor, is this poster being dumb or playing games:
"Who is trying to substitute two men for ANY specific mother?

Which mother out there in the world is being replaced? Can you name her? Where does she live? Are the two men going to court to steal her children? Are the two men physically removing her from her family? Evicting her form her own house?

You are going to need to explain how this "substitution" works."

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#465 Jan 25, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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okay, do me a favor, is this poster being dumb or playing games:
"Who is trying to substitute two men for ANY specific mother?
Which mother out there in the world is being replaced? Can you name her? Where does she live? Are the two men going to court to steal her children? Are the two men physically removing her from her family? Evicting her form her own house?
You are going to need to explain how this "substitution" works."
She/he is being as intentionally obtuse as you are.

You want to substitute what YOU feel is apparently the most important aspect of parenting- i.e. gender roles, for what WE feel is the most important aspect- i.e. loving capable parents regardless of gender.

You've made it clear YOU think gender is extremely important in parenting; obviously a lot of us disagree.

He/she is intentionally being a dick to get that point across in a way you might understand.
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#466 Jan 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You want to substitute what YOU feel is apparently the most important aspect of parenting- i.e. gender roles, for what WE feel is the most important aspect- i.e. loving capable parents regardless of gender.
You've made it clear YOU think gender is extremely important in parenting; obviously a lot of us disagree.
I am not the one who thinks the "we" opinion should NEVER be established by the vote...
this is so you can insist your view is in the majority...

if we agree that society does get to determine what is important to us, WHY WONT YOU AGREE TO LET THEM?

So you want to substitute your minority opinion for that of society at large...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#467 Jan 25, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I am not the one who thinks the "we" opinion should NEVER be established by the vote...
this is so you can insist your view is in the majority...
if we agree that society does get to determine what is important to us, WHY WONT YOU AGREE TO LET THEM?
So you want to substitute your minority opinion for that of society at large...
Apparently you slept through the most recent election.

We DID put it up for a vote in Maine; WE initiated the state wide ballot initiative there. We will also be putting up for a vote in other states in order to overturn the existing marriage amendment bans- i.e. Oregon, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, and possibly even California.

Many oppose putting up what they view as a right of a minority to a vote by the majority. While I agree with that sentiment in principle, I also understand reality. If we want marriage equality without waiting the years or decades for the SCOTUS to eventually rule in our favor we're going to have to put it up for a vote in many more states.

A final point- society DOES get to decide, but that doesn't always come by direct popular vote; legislatures & courts are also a reflection of society.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#468 Jan 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yes, it means they support discriminatory laws. If you prefer, I can use the term anti-marriage equality.
or anti conjugal marriage
or legalized gender segregated marriage
or redefined marriage
There is no logical reason to believe married same-sex couples wouldn't show the same benefits which married opposite-sex couples do.
There may be some benefits that can apply to SSCs as well, that doesn't mean they all will. Again, as an example, a study that shows a married man lives longer because of his wife, how would that be applicable to a lesbian couple?
Again, it's about having a loving spouse, not necessarily the gender of their spouse.
That is dependent on whether one wants an innie, or an outie.:)

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#469 Jan 25, 2013
DeDominicis wrote:
<quoted text>Incest brings about birth defects
That wouldn't be an issue in a same sex sibling marriage if those were allowed.
and a non human animal cant choose to make a promise,
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There might be a few hillbillies out there that were hoping to marry their sheep.

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I dont believe that homosexuality does anything bad save
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It is what it is.

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for the fact ythat it angers sheltered religionists who shoul dbe learning about their God figure anyway.
Not quite sure where you were going with that one, some clarity perhaps.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#470 Jan 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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She/he is being as intentionally obtuse as you are.
You want to substitute what YOU feel is apparently the most important aspect of parenting- i.e. gender roles, for what WE feel is the most important aspect- i.e. loving capable parents regardless of gender.
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This is a common theme of some of your posts. What exactly is a "gender role"? Is a mother a gender role? A father? Are there not difference in parenting between a mother and a father?

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You've made it clear YOU think gender is extremely important in parenting; obviously a lot of us disagree.
Of the "lot of us" who disagree, are the predominately gay? Or is there a common sentiment among heterosexuals, particularly those who are married with children, in your opinion?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#471 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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or anti conjugal marriage
or legalized gender segregated marriage
or redefined marriage
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There may be some benefits that can apply to SSCs as well, that doesn't mean they all will. Again, as an example, a study that shows a married man lives longer because of his wife, how would that be applicable to a lesbian couple?
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That is dependent on whether one wants an innie, or an outie.:)
You're assuming the reason he lives longer is because his spouse is a woman. There no evidence her gender is any more important than simply having a spouse regardless of their gender.

There many logical reasons why having a loving (or even a nagging) spouse could extend a man's life- i.e. changing risky behaviors, being happier which lowers stress which lowers disease risk, etc. None of which rely on gender.

I can't think of anything a woman's gender would specifically contribute to their spouse which a man's gender couldn't.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#472 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Of the "lot of us" who disagree, are the predominately gay? Or is there a common sentiment among heterosexuals, particularly those who are married with children, in your opinion?
Judging from the most recent elections in Maine, Maryland, & Washington where voters approved same-sex couples marrying, I'd say "a lot of us" includes a significant number of heterosexuals who don't think same-sex couples should be denied the right to marry just because they don't provide both genders in that marriage.

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