Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rho...

Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island

There are 525 comments on the New York Daily News story from Jan 15, 2013, titled Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

Supporters of same-sex marriage rights plan to assemble at the Rhode Island Statehouse to urge lawmakers to make the smallest state the 10th to allow gay and lesbian couples to wed - and the last to do so in New England.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#327 Jan 19, 2013
ToManyLaws wrote:
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Yes all couples no matter who they are should eb able to get a LEGAL CIVIL MARRIAGE....Partners with civil rights for all couples....YOU SEE FREEDOM AND EQUALITY IS ABOUT ALL PEOPLE BEING EQUAL AND SAME. When will you racist and bigots get that through your thick caveman heads......
Including opposite sex couples where the man/husband is also coupled with another woman/wife? Fair is fair....you did say ALL couples.
Imagine if you couldnt marry who you did because of some law.....BET YOU WOULD BE MAD ALSO.....You dontc are now because it doesnt affect you...YOU GOT YOURS WHO CARES ABOUT OTHERS RIGHT..
I would still be married, it just wouldn't be legally recognized.

All couples? Even if one member of the couple

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#328 Jan 19, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Including opposite sex couples where the man/husband is also coupled with another woman/wife? Fair is fair....you did say ALL couples.
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I would still be married, it just wouldn't be legally recognized.
All couples? Even if one member of the couple
Twist twist twist turn turn turn...change change change.....Your kind is twisting and turning things just like your kidn did back in teh 1960,s on civil rights...YOUR A BIGOTED RACIST PIG..........GO AWAY IF YOU HATE FREEDOM AND EQUALITY..........Why do you like the USA if you hate freedom and justice and equality for all??????????

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#329 Jan 19, 2013
ToManyLaws wrote:
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Twist twist twist turn turn turn...change change change.....Your kind is twisting and turning things just like your kidn did back in teh 1960,s on civil rights...YOUR A BIGOTED RACIST PIG..........GO AWAY IF YOU HATE FREEDOM AND EQUALITY..........Why do you like the USA if you hate freedom and justice and equality for all??????????
Waitaminit here! Is this sick-who-throws-a-hissy-fit? Perhaps a cousin.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#330 Jan 19, 2013
“We All Are Born From A Man And A Woman!”: 1.3 Million Demonstrate Against Same-Sex “Marriage” And Adoption In Paris
January 16, 2013

Jan 17, 2013
French Homosexuals Join Demonstration Against Gay Marriage
By Wendy Wright
NEW YORK, January 18 (C-FAM) Perhaps as many as a million people marched in Paris last Sunday and at French embassies around the world against proposed legislation that would legalize same-sex marriage in France.  One of the surprises in the French campaign for traditional marriage is that homosexuals have joined pro-family leaders and activists in the effort.
“The rights of children trump the right to children,” was the catchphrase of protesters like Jean Marc, a French mayor who is also homosexual.

Even though France is known for its laissez faire attitude toward sex, pro-family leaders were quick to organize huge numbers. When President Hollande announced his intentions to legalize homosexual marriage last November, a demonstration against the proposal gathered 100,000 protesters. And then what started as a debate about homosexual rights changed to one about a child’s right to a mother and a father, and the numbers in opposition exploded and has come to include unlikely allies. 

Xavier Bongibault, an atheist homosexual, is a prominent spokesman against the bill.“In France, marriage is not designed to protect the love between two people. French marriage is specifically designed to provide children with families,” he said in an interview.“[T]he most serious study done so far ... demonstrates quite clearly that a child has trouble being raised by gay parents.”

Jean Marc, who has lived with a man for 20 years, insists,“The LGBT movement that speaks out in the media ... They don’t speak for me. As a society we should not be encouraging this. It’s not biologically natural.”

Outraged by the bill, 66-year old Jean-Dominique Bunel, a specialist in humanitarian law who has done relief work in war-torn areas, told Le Figaro he “was raised by two women” and that he “suffered from the lack of a father, a daily presence, a character and a properly masculine example, some counterweight to the relationship of my mother to her lover. I was aware of it at a very early age. I lived that absence of a father, experienced it, as an amputation."

"As soon as I learned that the government was going to officialize marriage between two people of the same sex, I was thrown into disarray,” he explained. It would be “institutionalizing a situation that had scarred me considerably. In that there is an injustice that I can in no way allow." If the women who raised him had been married,“I would have jumped into the fray and would have brought a complaint before the French state and before the European Court of Human Rights, for the violation of my right to a mom and a dad."

A pro-family coalition that includes homosexuals is certainly different than in the United States and likely most places around the world. It is unclear why at least some French homosexuals would not only favor man-woman marriage only, but would campaign against homosexual marriage. It could be that France has allowed for civil unions, for all couples, for more than a decade. Whatever the reason, this potent coalition may stop homosexual marriage in France.

France’s National Assembly will take up the bill on January 29.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#331 Jan 19, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Its been said that marriage developed as a means of dealing with the products, children, of the male female sexual union. If you eliminate the opposite sex requirement of marriage, you are essentially eliminating the laws that are based on that union. Marriage laws are based in, and on the relationship of husband and wife in general, and their sexual union in particular. If it wasn't for that, would it matter, who marries who?. If those laws don't matter, there's no real need for recognition in the first place.No need to ban siblings from marrying. No need to limit the number of wives, or husbands,......not much need for limits at all.
Why does it matter if two men/women marry? What will happen if they don't?
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Hmmmmm.....until or unless the USSC rules otherwise those "more and more states", is capped at 19 or less. Keep up the good fight, the Brown family is rooting for ya.
Ciao
Ummmm, you DO realize we can overturn the state bans the same way they were enacted? In fact Oregon will likely be the first one to go in 2014 or 2016. Or are you going to stick to the same old line that everytime it goes to a vote....... oh that's right, you anti-gays LOST the last 4 votes!

With over 70% support of those under age 35 and 60% support of those under age 50, it's only a matter of time. I'd say by the end of the decade most bans will be gone.

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#332 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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French Homosexuals Join Demonstration Against Gay Marriage
By Wendy Wright
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Are you trying to make a case that if some gay people don't believe that other gay folks should be able to legally marry, that NO gay person should be able to?

REALLY?

Explain the logic in that stance.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#333 Jan 20, 2013
Jean Marc, who has lived with a man for 20 years, insists,“The LGBT movement that speaks out in the media ... They don’t speak for me. As a society we should not be encouraging this. It’s not biologically natural.”

Outraged by the bill, 66-year old Jean-Dominique Bunel, a specialist in humanitarian law who has done relief work in war-torn areas, told Le Figaro he “was raised by two women” and that he “suffered from the lack of a father, a daily presence, a character and a properly masculine example, some counterweight to the relationship of my mother to her lover. I was aware of it at a very early age. I lived that absence of a father, experienced it, as an amputation."

"As soon as I learned that the government was going to officialize marriage between two people of the same sex, I was thrown into disarray,” he explained. It would be “institutionalizing a situation that had scarred me considerably. In that there is an injustice that I can in no way allow." If the women who raised him had been married,“I would have jumped into the fray and would have brought a complaint before the French state and before the European Court of Human Rights, for the violation of my right to a mom and a dad."

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#334 Jan 20, 2013
All this from the French of all people....even gay folks in France protesting, objecting to the proposed change. If gay people oppose redefining marriage for the same reason that straight folks do, does that make them bigots?

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#335 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
All this from the French of all people....even gay folks in France protesting, objecting to the proposed change. If gay people oppose redefining marriage for the same reason that straight folks do, does that make them bigots?
Again, is it your argument that if ANY gay people oppose other gay people marrying, then NO gay person should every be allowed to legally marry?

Explain the logic in that argument.

And then, tell us if it applies to interracial marriages. If some black and white people opposed (or still oppose) interracial marriage, should every interracial couples have been (or be) banned form marrying?

How about heterosexuals marrying? If a few straight people believe that no one should marry, does that mean that no one should marry?

You see? Your argument is absurd. The nice thing is is that NO ONE is forced to marry, and even those who swear that they will never do it should have the opportunity, should life, experiences, and time change their minds.

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#336 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Jean Marc, who has lived with a man for 20 years, insists,“The LGBT movement that speaks out in the media ... They don’t speak for me. As a society we should not be encouraging this. It’s not biologically natural.”
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And no will will EVER force the man to marry.

But HE does not speak for the millions of gay people who believe differently, who value marriage and DO marry, and the millions of gay people who are not even born yet, and have not yet had the chance to make up their own minds.

So, I suppose you are dropping the polygamy bit for a while, and now you are pushing this new direction.

But, really, the ONLY questions are about whether or not legal marriage is good for gay people who choose it, good for their families, and their kids, and whether what's good for them will actually harm anyone else.

You tend to leave those questions alone. Is it because you know you have nothing that supports your beliefs in that regard?

You certainly aren't unintelligent, but you keep choosing arguments that have no real bearing on the issue at hand. You must be intelligent enough to understand that you aren't furthering your stance with them, so why do it?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#337 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
All this from the French of all people....even gay folks in France protesting, objecting to the proposed change. If gay people oppose redefining marriage for the same reason that straight folks do, does that make them bigots?
Some of them are indeed bigots, yes.

Most are just ignorant.

Either way France will pass marriage equality this year and join the rest of the civilized world in the 21 century.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#338 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Some of them are indeed bigots, yes.
Most are just ignorant.
Either way France will pass marriage equality this year and join the rest of the civilized world in the 21 century.
If gay people oppose redefining marriage for the same reason that straight folks do, does that make them bigots?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

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#339 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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If gay people oppose redefining marriage for the same reason that straight folks do, does that make them bigots?
Yes.

Bigotry isn't limited to any particular sexual orientation, just as it's not limited to any particular race or gender or ethnicity or religion etc, etc, etc.

If you oppose equal rights, that makes you a bigot.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#340 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yes.
Bigotry isn't limited to any particular sexual orientation, just as it's not limited to any particular race or gender or ethnicity or religion etc, etc, etc.
If you oppose equal rights, that makes you a
bigot.
Interesting......gay folks who oppose redefining marriage are bigots......is that your contention? The inmates have taken over the asylum.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#341 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yes.
Bigotry isn't limited to any particular sexual orientation, just as it's not limited to any particular race or gender or ethnicity or religion etc, etc, etc.
If you oppose equal rights, that makes you a
bigot.
What is the "equal" right to marry based on? Gender? Sexual orientation?

Who, or what determines what constitutes bigotry?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#342 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Interesting......gay folks who oppose redefining marriage are bigots......is that your contention? The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Yes.

Just as blacks who supported segregation were bigots as much as the whites who supported it.

Again, if you oppose equal rights for same-sex couples, you're a bigot regardless of your sexual orientation.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#343 Jan 20, 2013
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eeple"]<quoted text>
Some of them are indeed bigots, yes.
Most are just ignorant.
Either way France will pass marriage equality this year and join the rest of the civilized world in the
21 century.[/QUOTE]

I thought that they were already civilized? CIVIL unions......CIVILization...... see

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#344 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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What is the "equal" right to marry based on? Gender? Sexual orientation?
Who, or what determines what constitutes bigotry?
The equal right to marry is based on the constitutional principle of equal protection of the law.

It is not limited by gender nor sexual orientation nor race nor religion nor ethnicity nor height nor weight nor shoe size nor handedness, etc, etc, etc.

And no, equally discriminating is not equal protection.

Bigotry is rather subjective I imagine.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#345 Jan 20, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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I thought that they were already civilized? CIVIL unions......CIVILization...... see
Nope, I don't see it.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#346 Jan 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
The equal right to marry is based on the constitutional principle of equal protection of the law.
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The state defines marriage, and maintains the authority to regulate it.

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It is not limited by gender nor sexual orientation nor race nor religion nor ethnicity nor height nor weight nor shoe size nor handedness, etc, etc, etc
.....nor number of participants, pre existing relationship, etc. At what point is there no point and thus no need for state recognition and/or regulation.
And no, equally discriminating is not equal protection.
The mere recognition of marriage is discriminatory......certainly against single people.

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Bigotry is rather subjective I imagine
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Exactly

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