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White House Won't Classify Westboro Baptist Church as a Hate Group

There are 60 comments on the WTMA-AM North Charleston story from Jul 6, 2013, titled White House Won't Classify Westboro Baptist Church as a Hate Group. In it, WTMA-AM North Charleston reports that:

The White House says it won't classify the Westboro Baptist Church as a "hate group" in response to petitions filed at WhiteHouse.gov.

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1 Jul 6, 2013
Why anyone thought the government could do something like that says a lot about the intelligence of the writers of the petitions and the signatories.

Westboro would make any right thinking citizen vomit but we can't shut them down for their speck.

Far better to just ignore them at this point. They'll die off soon. Enough

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Since: May 13

Europa

#2 Jul 6, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
Why anyone thought the government could do something like that says a lot about the intelligence of the writers of the petitions and the signatories.
Westboro would make any right thinking citizen vomit but we can't shut them down for their speck.
Far better to just ignore them at this point. They'll die off soon. Enough
I agree. My chief complaint about the WBC wackos is that people actually pay attention to them. Better to ignore them completely and pretend that they don't exist.

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#3 Jul 6, 2013
But ...
If the WBC was targeting ANY OTHER group (blacks, latinos, Jews, etc), action would be taken.
Just goes to show - we are still 2nd class citizens - in this case when it comes to "free speech."
I've always said that the USA has priority problems. What applies to one, doesn't necessarily apply to the other. It depend on who either has the most power or the most money.
Sad.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#4 Jul 6, 2013
Yea, big can of worms. Good move.
David Martin

Sacramento, CA

#5 Jul 6, 2013
As a gay man I can certainly "wish" that the government would do so, but they don't as policy. If a group is anti-black, latino, or any other anti, but not violent, they don't act. It's called freedom of speech. If Westboro became violent, then they could act.

Since: Mar 09

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#7 Jul 7, 2013
Good. They shouldn't.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#8 Jul 7, 2013
No, Mark in Toronto. You are wrong. The government here in the states does NOT name groups as hate groups. And that is as it should be; that is not their role. They also haven't named the KKK or the Neo-Nazis as hate groups. That nomenclature is for others to use. Learn your American history before you start attacking our government. Especially since you all will be additional states in the near future, even as much as that will clutter our flag with way too many stars.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Jul 7, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
No, Mark in Toronto. You are wrong. The government here in the states does NOT name groups as hate groups. And that is as it should be; that is not their role. They also haven't named the KKK or the Neo-Nazis as hate groups. That nomenclature is for others to use. Learn your American history before you start attacking our government. Especially since you all will be additional states in the near future, even as much as that will clutter our flag with way too many stars.
Technically, "hate group" is an internal DoJ classification.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#11 Jul 7, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
Especially since you all will be additional states in the near future, even as much as that will clutter our flag with way too many stars.
I think that is highly unlikely. What is much more likely in the somewhat distant future is a reconfiguration of North America along cultural, economic and linguistic lines. If this were to happen, the populous part of Quebec would be one country, the northern and midwestern States and Ontario would be another, the rest of inland US and Canada a third, and the West Coast of both countries a fourth, probably with the latter having the Arctic and subarctic Canada as some sort of autonomous region.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#12 Jul 7, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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As a Fagg@t, I guess you would.
But as an idiot, what do you guess?

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#13 Jul 7, 2013
Sir Andrew wrote:
No, Mark in Toronto. You are wrong. The government here in the states does NOT name groups as hate groups. And that is as it should be; that is not their role. They also haven't named the KKK or the Neo-Nazis as hate groups. That nomenclature is for others to use. Learn your American history before you start attacking our government. Especially since you all will be additional states in the near future, even as much as that will clutter our flag with way too many stars.
Point taken.

Then one has to ask ... how can the government determine and label a hate crime as such but not a hate group? If a group commits a hate crime (like the WBC), then are they not a hate group?

As an ex-pat, that was always a problem for me when certain rules only applied to certain people. You see it in government, on Wall Street and in the legal system every day.

And the fact that the WBC can legally call itself a "church" and NOT pay taxes shows something is wrong somewhere.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#14 Jul 7, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
Why anyone thought the government could do something like that says a lot about the intelligence of the writers of the petitions and the signatories.
Westboro would make any right thinking citizen vomit but we can't shut them down for their speck.
Far better to just ignore them at this point. They'll die off soon. Enough
I agree, it is pretty simple minded. Today people go to the Government for everything. And if we give the Government the power to shut down the Westboro Baptist Church it will have the power to shut down something we may not want shut down. It is not a good idea to give the government more power over our lives. It always backfires.

I do not agree that it is best to just ignore them. They bring a great deal of pain and harm to young people, especially gay young people. Some have heard their message and killed themselves.

I do not want to wait for them to die, they just won't die soon enough. There is something we can do to fight back their message and it is called fighting fire with fire.

First off the Westboro Baptist Church is violating biblical teachings. Hundreds if not thousands of them. Their only authority is the Bible. With out it they have nothing but their own opinion which comes out of their mouth and it is no different than what it is that comes out of their other end.

ROM. 16:17-18 RSV ("I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who created dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering words they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded"),

By demanding that gay rights be recognized and protected it causes dissension and difficulties for the church, gay rights are in opposition to the doctrine they have all been brainwashed into believing comes from a God but in reality comes from a book.

The Bible is clear that the members of the Westboro Baptist church are to avoid gay people because gay people do not serve the Lard but gay sex and that deceives the simple minded [Christians].

Do the members of the Westboro Baptist Church avoid gay people? No, they do not and they are violating what the Bible tells them to do.

They want gay people to obey the Bible and stop having gay sex yet they refuse to obey the Bible and shut mind their own business.

1 Peter 4:15 KJV, "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters."

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Since: May 13

Europa

#15 Jul 7, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
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I think that is highly unlikely. What is much more likely in the somewhat distant future is a reconfiguration of North America along cultural, economic and linguistic lines. If this were to happen, the populous part of Quebec would be one country, the northern and midwestern States and Ontario would be another, the rest of inland US and Canada a third, and the West Coast of both countries a fourth, probably with the latter having the Arctic and subarctic Canada as some sort of autonomous region.
Not unless there is a violent overthrow of the legal government here (which is highly doubtful but has happened before.

The U.S. has the oldest continuous constitutional government in the world, and the reason for that IS the strength, malleability, and durability of the U.S. Constitution. What you are suggesting would require doing away with that venerable document that has served us so well these past 223+ years, or at least heavily amending it, and that just ain't gonna happen.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#16 Jul 7, 2013
mark in Toronto wrote:
But ...
If the WBC was targeting ANY OTHER group (blacks, latinos, Jews, etc), action would be taken.
Just goes to show - we are still 2nd class citizens - in this case when it comes to "free speech."
I've always said that the USA has priority problems. What applies to one, doesn't necessarily apply to the other. It depend on who either has the most power or the most money.
Sad.
It has always been this way in our American Republic. Everyone has a different idea about what is the best way to proceed. Unfortunately both sides often want to make the Government stronger to force their views onto everyone. But this more powerful government then has a nasty habit of turning around and biting the very people who made it stronger in the butt.

I want to make the Government smaller and to have it allow each of us the freedom AND THE RESPONSIBILITY to manage our own lives. This was not a popular idea 200 years ago as it is not popular today. Our Founding Fathers were often at odds with one another.

Today our government has evolved into a fascist state which is to say that Big Business pays elected officials to hop in bed with them. Our Government no longer serves the needs of the individual but the wants and desires of their bed partners, giant corporations. Sometimes that works out well when board members and executive officers are gay and take up the cause of equality for gay people. Sometimes the giant corps want to do the right thing, but that just means that the individuals suffers at the whim of the powerful companies.

This is why voting is pretty much a waste of time, all you are doing is sending a new whore to Congress.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#17 Jul 7, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
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Not unless there is a violent overthrow of the legal government here (which is highly doubtful but has happened before.
The U.S. has the oldest continuous constitutional government in the world, and the reason for that IS the strength, malleability, and durability of the U.S. Constitution. What you are suggesting would require doing away with that venerable document that has served us so well these past 223+ years, or at least heavily amending it, and that just ain't gonna happen.
If the Constitution were to be amended Christians would demand a say in how it would be changed and we can not trust Christians with a democratic republic. Because of Christianity slavery existed in this land of the free. Women were not allowed to vote because of Christian teachings. Christians continued their war on Freedom by making it illegal for non-Christians to have a glass of wine with Sunday dinner. Christians demand special tax breaks that the whole of America then has to pay more. And behind the opposition to gay rights it has always been the Christian church.

Because the church was separated from running the state, Christians have been very clever and successful at getting Christian laws on our law books for the purpose of forcing all of us to obey Christian values. These laws put many peaceful consenting adults in prison each year. Most of us do not even know that all of this has happened and continues to happen.

Read what the Con-artists preached to the pew warmers 100 years ago about the end of slavery, it is exactly what they are saying today about gay people. Christians can not be trusted.

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Since: May 13

Europa

#18 Jul 7, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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If the Constitution were to be amended Christians would demand a say in how it would be changed and we can not trust Christians with a democratic republic. Because of Christianity slavery existed in this land of the free. Women were not allowed to vote because of Christian teachings. Christians continued their war on Freedom by making it illegal for non-Christians to have a glass of wine with Sunday dinner. Christians demand special tax breaks that the whole of America then has to pay more. And behind the opposition to gay rights it has always been the Christian church.
Because the church was separated from running the state, Christians have been very clever and successful at getting Christian laws on our law books for the purpose of forcing all of us to obey Christian values. These laws put many peaceful consenting adults in prison each year. Most of us do not even know that all of this has happened and continues to happen.
Read what the Con-artists preached to the pew warmers 100 years ago about the end of slavery, it is exactly what they are saying today about gay people. Christians can not be trusted.
I'm a church-going Christian, and ya can trust me !

:)
SirAndrew

Honolulu, HI

#19 Jul 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Technically, "hate group" is an internal DoJ classification.
I don't think so. DOJ identifies certain crimes as "hate" crimes based on the identity of the victim and the motive of the perpetrator, but it does not classify groups that preach or practice hate as "hate groups." Independent non-profits, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, have made the identification and tracking of hate groups part of heir mission. While DOJ may use these classifications as tools in its work, it relies on others for making those determinations.

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Since: May 13

Europa

#20 Jul 7, 2013
That's because The White House is a "hate group" and they don't want to be in the same boat.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#21 Jul 7, 2013
Shut up Fa-foxy/Europa. You have no idea, as usual, of that which you speak.
El ameen

Europe

#22 Jul 7, 2013
America and all europe countries are in the verge of collapes becouse of there evil work. christ is present on earth and he will judge people according to there did,so the whole world should prepare for more calamities the world has come to and end that is why the whole world is expereince various changes christ has appear in the physical body here in nigeria a country in west africa he is black in complesure and the bible said he will come like a theif in the night of darkness those he theif are the one to recognize him before he manifest him self to the globe please look for him and be save abdullahi bin abdullah isah zahiran.

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