Military upholds sexual contact charge against former Air Force officer

Dec 13, 2012 Full story: Stars and Stripes 25

A military appeals court has rejected claims of anti-gay bias in upholding the 2009 conviction of a lieutenant colonel court-martialed at the former McChord Air Force Base in Washington state.

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AzAdam

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#1 Dec 13, 2012
I've got no sympathy for this guy. His actions would have been grounds for court marshal regardless of the gender of his victim.

Uve

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#2 Dec 13, 2012
AzAdam wrote:
I've got no sympathy for this guy. His actions would have been grounds for court marshal regardless of the gender of his victim.
Right...You don't invite somebody to your house late at night, after letting them buy you 8 to 9 drinks. Sounds like somebody got cold feet and then panicked..typical

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#3 Dec 13, 2012
This guy violated a number of regulatins.

First of all, officers are not permitted to fraternize with enlisted.

Secondly, NO officer or enlisted personnel is permitted to have sex with ANYONE at ANYTIME for ANY REASON, with the SOLE EXCEPTION being if that person is your spouse.

And in the military, adultery is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

I have so sympathy at all for this guy. When he volunteered for the militray and became an officer he took an OATH to abide by ALL military regulations. He violated that oath.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#4 Dec 13, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
And in the military, adultery is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
Does that mean that they are court-martialling Petraeus and his cronies who were caught cheating on their wives?

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#5 Dec 13, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Secondly, NO officer or enlisted personnel is permitted to have sex with ANYONE at ANYTIME for ANY REASON, with the SOLE EXCEPTION being if that person is your spouse.
So every single/unmarried person who is in the US military is celibate? How do they ensure that? Do they court-martial every unmarried person who isn't celibate?

Isn't this policing of consenting sexual activity between adults a big waste of time?

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#6 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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Does that mean that they are court-martialling Petraeus and his cronies who were caught cheating on their wives?
IMHO, they should. Ask The Obamaniac why he hasn't ordered that .

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#7 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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So every single/unmarried person who is in the US military is celibate? How do they ensure that? Do they court-martial every unmarried person who isn't celibate?
Isn't this policing of consenting sexual activity between adults a big waste of time?
I didn't write the UCMJ. Congress did. Ask them.

And I HAVE READ from time to time, of officers, and enlisted personnel being court martialed for violating those regulations.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#8 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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Does that mean that they are court-martialling Petraeus and his cronies who were caught cheating on their wives?
Suddenly FaFooey has gone tomb silent. Odd how he claims to be a big ol' homo like the rest of us, but constantly goes against his own people. I'm surprised he didn't blame Obama for this terrible story somehow.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#9 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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So every single/unmarried person who is in the US military is celibate? How do they ensure that? Do they court-martial every unmarried person who isn't celibate?
Isn't this policing of consenting sexual activity between adults a big waste of time?
This kills me to admit it, but officers ARE not allowed to bed down enlisted troops. Sad, but true.

It is odd that the guy got all struggly, but still conveniently passed out! How much did he drink? And whose fault is THAT?
AzAdam

United States

#11 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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So every single/unmarried person who is in the US military is celibate? How do they ensure that? Do they court-martial every unmarried person who isn't celibate?
Isn't this policing of consenting sexual activity between adults a big waste of time?
Officers don't invite enlisted back to their apartments. To do show shows poor judgement not befitting an officer. The rest is just fuel for the fire.

And yes, adultery is a court marshalable offense. They stil enforce it.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#12 Dec 13, 2012
Soldiers and officers have often been charged with adultery after their wives turned them in. The military take it very seriously.

Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>This kills me to admit it, but officers ARE not allowed to bed down enlisted troops. Sad, but true.
It is odd that the guy got all struggly, but still conveniently passed out! How much did he drink? And whose fault is THAT?
AzAdam

United States

#13 Dec 13, 2012
TomInElPaso wrote:
Soldiers and officers have often been charged with adultery after their wives turned them in. The military take it very seriously.
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Iv seen active duty women court marshaled when their active duty husbands were deployed more than 9 months and they turned up pregnant.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#14 Dec 13, 2012
If sexual activity is forbidden except between married spouses, does the US military go after every unmarried military person to ensure they are celibate?

Isn't it a huge waste of time to be attempting to police sexual activity between consenting adults?

Since: Mar 09

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#15 Dec 13, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
This guy violated a number of regulatins.
First of all, officers are not permitted to fraternize with enlisted.
Secondly, NO officer or enlisted personnel is permitted to have sex with ANYONE at ANYTIME for ANY REASON, with the SOLE EXCEPTION being if that person is your spouse.
And in the military, adultery is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
I have so sympathy at all for this guy. When he volunteered for the militray and became an officer he took an OATH to abide by ALL military regulations. He violated that oath.
Correct in fact, if not usually in practice.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#16 Dec 13, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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IMHO, they should. Ask The Obamaniac why he hasn't ordered that .
Simple. Patraeus was a civilian, not a member of the armed forces. He is subject to civilian law, not military law. Duh.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#17 Dec 13, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
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So every single/unmarried person who is in the US military is celibate? How do they ensure that? Do they court-martial every unmarried person who isn't celibate?
Isn't this policing of consenting sexual activity between adults a big waste of time?
The military is well-aware that unmarried troops enjoy the company of the opposite sex while off-duty. Adultery is involves MARRIED people being unfaithful. And that has occasionally been prosecuted.

Since: Mar 09

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#20 Dec 13, 2012
Smoky Bones Jackson wrote:
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Adultery and homosexuality are a vice. The govt chooses for special treatment and preference of one over the other.
Not legally.

Legally, Adultery is a violation of contract (which is supported in the main body of the Constitution) and, additionally, the military honor code for officers.

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#21 Dec 13, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Simple. Patraeus was a civilian, not a member of the armed forces. He is subject to civilian law, not military law. Duh.
UNTRUE ! As a retired officer he is STILL subject to militray law as well as civilian law, i.e he could still be court martialed for his admiited violation of military law. Look it up if you disbelieve me.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#22 Dec 13, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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The military is well-aware that unmarried troops enjoy the company of the opposite sex while off-duty. Adultery is involves MARRIED people being unfaithful. And that has occasionally been prosecuted.
Foxy stated very plainly in post #3 that the military forbids all sexual contact except when the parties involved are legal spouses. That's why I asked the questions I did.

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Since: Nov 12

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#23 Dec 13, 2012
And IMHO, Patreus SHOULD be caourt martialed to set an example. If one of the highest generals in our militray, who has SWORN AN OATH to obeay all military rules and regulations, and publicly flout the regulations, WHY should any other lower-ranking person also follow teh regulations ?!

Do the regulations mean something or not ?!

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