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American Sociological Association calls out, obliterates anti-gay parenting study

There are 26 comments on the pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com story from Mar 1, 2013, titled American Sociological Association calls out, obliterates anti-gay parenting study. In it, pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com reports that:

Obscured by the fact that the Obama Administration submitted a brief against Prop 8 is the brief the American Sociological Association submitted. This is a shame because I think in many ways, ASA’s brief can be seen as just as, if not, more significant.

ASA’s brief destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8. The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse efffects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited.

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Speedieg

Atlanta, GA

#1 Mar 1, 2013
Sadly this is irrelevant, the enemies of the GLBT community will continue the use of the false Regnerus study as absolute fact. The truth has never been important to them only bashing the GLBT community.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#2 Mar 1, 2013
APA's Position: "APA’s brief, in support of the plaintiffs/appellees, was joined by the Massachusetts Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Social Workers and its Massachusetts Chapter, the American Medical Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The brief applies social science research to rebut some of the justifications offered for the prohibition in section 3 of DOMA of any federal recognition of the marriages of same-sex couples. Those justifications, involving procreation, the welfare of children and the like, are closely similar to those offered in cases defending states’ refusal to allow same-sex couples to marry. The amicus brief provides extensive psychological research on key points, including how homosexuality is a normal expression of human sexuality, is generally not chosen, and is highly resistant to change. Also provided is current scientific research on the nature of same-sex relationships, the role of child-rearing, and the stigma resulting from denying the label “marriage” to same-sex unions. For example, the brief cited psychological research showing that gay and lesbian parents are not any less fit or capable than heterosexual parents, and that their children are not less adjusted. The brief also addresses how denying federal recognition to legally married same-sex couples stigmatizes them." http://www.apa.org/about/offices/ogc/amicus/g...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#3 Mar 1, 2013
This needs to be tweeted, blogged, spammed, flooded and repeated until it goes VIRAL.

Get to work, boys and girls !

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#4 Mar 1, 2013
Speedieg wrote:
Sadly this is irrelevant, the enemies of the GLBT community will continue the use of the false Regnerus study as absolute fact. The truth has never been important to them only bashing the GLBT community.
I disagree. This is very relevant. Being silent when faced with lies may be noble sometimes but in this case it simply perpetuates the harm.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#5 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
This needs to be tweeted, blogged, spammed, flooded and repeated until it goes VIRAL.
Get to work, boys and girls !
FTA and worth re-posting:

" First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.”. As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents.

Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.

Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex” and that same-sex partner. Instead, Regnerus categorized children as raised by a parent in a same-sex romantic relationship regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent and the parent’s same-sex romantic partner and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care. As a result, so long as an adult child believed that he or she had had a parent who had a relationship with someone of the same sex, then he or she was counted by Regnerus as having been “raised by” a parent in a same-sex relationship.

Fourth, in contrast to every other study on same-sex parenting, Regnerus identified parents who had purportedly engaged in a same-sex romantic relationship based solely on the child’s own retrospective report of the parent’s romantic relationships, made once the child was an adult. This unusual measurement strategy ignored the fact that the child may have limited and inaccurate recollections of the parents’ distant romantic past.

Finally, the study fails to account for the fact that the negative outcomes may have been caused by other childhood events or events later in the individual’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”

In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."

Since: Mar 09

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#6 Mar 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>FTA and worth re-posting:
" First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.”. As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents.
Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.
Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex” and that same-sex partner. Instead, Regnerus categorized children as raised by a parent in a same-sex romantic relationship regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent and the parent’s same-sex romantic partner and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care. As a result, so long as an adult child believed that he or she had had a parent who had a relationship with someone of the same sex, then he or she was counted by Regnerus as having been “raised by” a parent in a same-sex relationship.
Fourth, in contrast to every other study on same-sex parenting, Regnerus identified parents who had purportedly engaged in a same-sex romantic relationship based solely on the child’s own retrospective report of the parent’s romantic relationships, made once the child was an adult. This unusual measurement strategy ignored the fact that the child may have limited and inaccurate recollections of the parents’ distant romantic past.
Finally, the study fails to account for the fact that the negative outcomes may have been caused by other childhood events or events later in the individual’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”
In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."
Now get out there and SPAM that to EVERY news media outlet you can reach, people!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#8 Mar 1, 2013
Here are links to the brief which includes the statement (Pdf) and to an article which rebutts, refutes and discredits Regnerus:

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-1...

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/plank/104001/... #

I'm sorry, but Regnerus is as professionally incompetent as he looks.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#9 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
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Do you mean like the same Massachusetts where a school will allow students to come to school and change clothes into the opposite sex to suggest transgenderism? The same scool that would allow said students to also enter the bathroom of the opposite sex? The same school that WILL NOT notify the parents of such student engaging in such deviant behavior? The same school that by not informing any parent are indeed and in fact engaging in misleading and deviant behavior? The same state of Massachusetts that has had not only a pedophilia problem but also an incest problem for many decades? Scapegoat the church to rationalize your perversions even further. Can you imagine if the church actually dressed up children as the opposite sex? They would be hauled off to jail, and rightfully so!
There will come a day
I'm not scapegoating any church. And I have been in churches where children dressed up in "drag" to play parts in the Nativity Story. Some where Baptist some were Catholic.

Time for your meds.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#10 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Now get out there and SPAM that to EVERY news media outlet you can reach, people!
Already doing that. Thanks.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
Can you imagine if the church actually dressed up children as the opposite sex?
They'd call it "Cardinals and Bishops."
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#16 Mar 1, 2013
[QUOTE who="Obama The Drama Queen]
There will come a day[/QUOTE]

Yes, there will come a day when your head explodes. May it be soon.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#18 Mar 1, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
<quoted text>
"Savior" Breath Mona, you are the work of the dark forces and death. You represent death. Don't you freakin get it? Of course not, you're evil!
...yawn... and you're batshit crazy.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#30 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you mean like the same Massachusetts where a school will allow students to come to school and change clothes into the opposite sex to suggest transgenderism? The same scool that would allow said students to also enter the bathroom of the opposite sex? The same school that WILL NOT notify the parents of such student engaging in such deviant behavior? The same school that by not informing any parent are indeed and in fact engaging in misleading and deviant behavior? The same state of Massachusetts that has had not only a pedophilia problem but also an incest problem for many decades? Scapegoat the church to rationalize your perversions even further. Can you imagine if the church actually dressed up children as the opposite sex? They would be hauled off to jail, and rightfully so!
There will come a day
Quite a. Rant there honey.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#34 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
<quoted text>
Hard to believe ya can't refute it either, narcissist.
I try. Not to bother debating with slimy trolls such as yourself. Don't want to be around you when the earth opens up and swallows you on your way to hell.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#37 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
<quoted text>
Even on the internet your breath smells like shit.
"annnd....here's your sign."

http://www.bing.com/videos/search...

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#40 Mar 1, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
That's because you can't refute it tommy, so stfu will ya. You're wasting my time.
There wasn't anything to refute. We don't even have to bother reading what you post, it's either ignorant right wing rantings or foul mouth trailer trash vulgarity it embarrasses Marines. Any common pig is more worthy than you.
AzAdam

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Mar 2, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
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There will come a day
Honey, today is that day. It's the day that gay people and transgendered people get equal treatment under the law. Welcome to today.

The day you're talking about was yesterday. Sorry you missed it.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#43 Mar 2, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
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....... The same scool that would allow said students to also enter the bathroom of the opposite sex?......
Are you afraid that the little girl will crawl under the walls and into the stall with someone else?

Is she known to walk around naked in the girl's rest room?

How would anyone even know what genitalia are attached to whom in the first place?

At least use a little common sense.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#45 Mar 2, 2013
Obama The Drama Queen wrote:
That's because you can't refute it tommy, so stfu will ya. You're wasting my time.
Refute it? Um.... when did you prove it?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#47 Mar 2, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Ever the homosexual to pretend to be someone else through mockery for that is what you stand for, honey.
You sure do care about us and what we say and do, a lot. Has anyone ever mentioned to you that you may just have a major mental health issue? Your spending so much time and misguided energy towards gays has to be quite a strain to your immune system. You're aware of course, that may lead to your early death. Which may or may not be a good thing depending on how much self hatred you have bottled up in your head.

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