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Gay rights, same-sex marriage gain ground in election 2012

There are 40 comments on the The Oregonian story from Oct 30, 2012, titled Gay rights, same-sex marriage gain ground in election 2012. In it, The Oregonian reports that:

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3OHY

San Jose, CA

#31 Oct 31, 2012
Quest wrote:
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You are making things up again, Dear. stop pretending to know more than you do. It makes you look silly.
How many gay couples do YOU know?
I bet I know a lot more.
Yes, some straight couples and gay couples have open marriages, but, it has never prevented a single straight couples from obtaining a license. And they are not the rule. A HUGE number of straight marriages don't include lifelong monogamy, and a large percentage of straight marriages end because someone cheats.
And yet, NO straight couple is ever denied a marriage license because of their own ruined marriages, and the ruined marriages and sex partners other straight people might have.
Why is that?
Could it be because you know you don't have any logical or rational reason to deny marriage to same sex couples, and this is the best you can do?
Of course it is.
You avoid the real issue... cultural norms in EVERY culture established for many thousands of years. Gays haven't fit into those cultural norms because their BEHAVIOR is aberrant, assaultive, their attitudes invasive and insistent to changing cultural norms, which 99% of the people on Earth cannot accept. Current confusions have nothing to do with overall perceptions of society toward gays, but weakness, tiredness and temporarily false perceptions (generated by the temporarily false behaviors) toward the assaults by sexual perverts. People don't fundamentally want to fight. When assaults go too far, people are willing to fight.

Marriage should be denied to homosexuals because they do not represent health, nor continuity. They represent degradation... an utter and radical core change in humanity's perception of itself and the benefits nuclear families have achieved for civilization. Corrections of other destructions in societal breakdowns are separate issues. It is not a matter of expanding the homosexual advance of human behavior contrary to health and stability, but is a matter of recriminalizing homosexual behavior to halt their assault.

You and I both know each other's positions. Apparently, you know nothing about the ferocity of humankind's dominant cultural structures, when threatening assaults become definable as anathema to their existences.
3OHY

San Jose, CA

#32 Oct 31, 2012
Quest wrote:
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Yes, denying people the same protections for themselves and their families that you demand for yours, out of simple hatred, should be criminal.
Sadly, it isn't.
Yet.
And gay people forming families are "invading" your emotional space?
LOL.
When such a small, deviant subculture becomes so assaultive as to openly and insistently push their deviance on inherently vulnerable children in primary schools, libraries, government outreach, etc., you can bet it's invading emotional space.

There is no hatred involved... anymore than one might hate any virulent disease, or mental disorder. We seek cures, not extermination.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#33 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
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I don't know why you lie about it... the vast majority of gays want nothing to do with marriage and the few who do have "open" relationships, in which no value, nor importance whatsoever is placed on monogamous sexual relationships. Any exception to that rule is very rare. Everything about gay relationships is a lie, even their attempts at trying to appear acceptable and conform for some short time to traditional perceptions of what actually goes on in their domiciles. Marriage to homosexuals is an exhibitionist charade, having only to do with their distorted, maladjusted and unhealthy exhibitionist inclination... as is their destructive invasions of child rearing. Invasions of other's emotional space has to do with THAT, not any behavior pattern moderated through long term history, nor involvement in cultural norms, but only opposition to cultural norms. The same is true for any criminal mind.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-gay bias.

Every gay & lesbian I know must be one of your rare "exceptions", since they are all in longterm monogamous relationships, most of them raising children as well.

Your hatred comes through loud & clear. Luckily most of your fellow anti-gays are dying off and are being replaced by pro-equality supporters.

How sad you spend so much of what little life you have left hating others.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#34 Oct 31, 2012
Trolls aside, this article points out the way forward. The GOPasaurs will just quietly drop their opposition to equality for gays & lesbians. Oh there will always be a few nutjob anti-gays in the party, but those who speak out will be treated like the current anti-abortion wackos such as Akin.

The GOPasuars may still promise to "support traditional marriage" but once elected they will basically do nothing to prevent same-sex couples from marrying.

Once the SCOTUS overturns DOMA next year this issue will just quietly fade into the background noise. More states will approve marriage equality- i.e. IL, DE, HI, RI, OR, NV, etc- until the SCOTUS once again steps in at overturns the remaining bans around the end of the decade.

The final chapter on anti-gay bigotry has been written. It's only a matter of time.......

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#35 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
The 32 out of 32 States supporting traditional values is about to become 36 out of 36 States supporting traditional values established for thousands and years in ALL cultures. Leftists continually get confronted with humans rejecting their concepts of being able to change human nature, just as Leftists continually disregard the constant march of Marxist economic failures on Earth. Repeatedly doing the same thing with the same disastrous results is a symptom of insanity.
Actually, you've got that backward. Up until Maine, the anti-gay have been bringing the subject to voters. It was just another way of them beating us up. But now that society is learning to understand us, we're bringing the issue back. It's just proof that you homophobes can't count on society supporting you anymore.

It must hurt like hell.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#36 Oct 31, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Trolls aside, this article points out the way forward. The GOPasaurs will just quietly drop their opposition to equality for gays & lesbians. Oh there will always be a few nutjob anti-gays in the party, but those who speak out will be treated like the current anti-abortion wackos such as Akin.
The GOPasuars may still promise to "support traditional marriage" but once elected they will basically do nothing to prevent same-sex couples from marrying.
Once the SCOTUS overturns DOMA next year this issue will just quietly fade into the background noise. More states will approve marriage equality- i.e. IL, DE, HI, RI, OR, NV, etc- until the SCOTUS once again steps in at overturns the remaining bans around the end of the decade.
The final chapter on anti-gay bigotry has been written. It's only a matter of time.......
You have, of course, seen the recent study that the aging of the population accounts for only 1/4 of the movement of public opinion in support of gays and lesbians. In fact, 3/4 of our increased support comes from people in all age groups overcoming their preconceived notions as they become more familiar with the issues.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#37 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
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When such a small, deviant subculture becomes so assaultive as to openly and insistently push their deviance on inherently vulnerable children in primary schools, libraries, government outreach, etc., you can bet it's invading emotional space.
There is no hatred involved... anymore than one might hate any virulent disease, or mental disorder. We seek cures, not extermination.
Rose's Law--"Whenever they run out of arguments, they just scream 'WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?? THE CHILDREN????'"

LOL!!! Be gone silly little troll! You have no power here!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Oct 31, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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You have, of course, seen the recent study that the aging of the population accounts for only 1/4 of the movement of public opinion in support of gays and lesbians. In fact, 3/4 of our increased support comes from people in all age groups overcoming their preconceived notions as they become more familiar with the issues.
I saw that, but it's really not "new" news. Pew Research has been tracking marriage equality support by generation for 2 decades, and all their polls have shown a steady increase in support among ALL generations; even the oldest.

That's why I think we're finally at the tipping point on these marriage votes. The combined generational replacement along with the steady increase in people changing their views will eventually result in these bans being overturned by popular vote. It may not happen in this election, but it WILL happen eventually.

Polling in Ohio & Florida show marriage equality at over 50% support. That probably explains why the anti-gays went to court (the irony doesn't escape me) to PREVENT a vote by the people.
JrEsq

United States

#39 Oct 31, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I saw that, but it's really not "new" news. Pew Research has been tracking marriage equality support by generation for 2 decades, and all their polls have shown a steady increase in support among ALL generations; even the oldest.
That's why I think we're finally at the tipping point on these marriage votes. The combined generational replacement along with the steady increase in people changing their views will eventually result in these bans being overturned by popular vote. It may not happen in this election, but it WILL happen eventually.
Polling in Ohio & Florida show marriage equality at over 50% support. That probably explains why the anti-gays went to court (the irony doesn't escape me) to PREVENT a vote by the people.
"Polling in Ohio & Florida show marriage equality at over 50% support."
You gays have a distorted interpretation of the word "majority". It's a hollow victory if almost half of the country still thinks you are perverted.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#40 Oct 31, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
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"Polling in Ohio & Florida show marriage equality at over 50% support."
You gays have a distorted interpretation of the word "majority". It's a hollow victory if almost half of the country still thinks you are perverted.
Didn't they run the same lies in CA and in ME when they were ssm were up for votes there??? Nobody is buying the hype....

Poll: Opposition to Same-Sex Marriage Grows in Wash. State

A recently released poll has found that opposition to Washington State's referendum to legalize same-sex marriage was grown considerably while support has slightly declined.

Released by Elway Research Inc., the poll found that opposition to Referendum 74 this month is at 45 percent, up from 37 percent in September. Also, support for R-74 declined slightly to 49 percent in October.

Given that the poll comes with a 4.5 percent margin of error, the 49 percent to 45 percent difference is a statistical dead heat.

Preserve Marriage Washington, who was able to get the issue of same-sex marriage legalization on the ballot, hailed the results as an indicator of their side "closing the gap" on the referendum.

"This survey is bad news for supporters of Referendum 74 which would redefine marriage in Washington state," said Frank Schubert, campaign manager for PMW, in a statement.

"Our opponents have had the airwaves to themselves for months before our TV ads started only recently, and they're outspending us by a margin of seven-to-one. Despite this, support for the referendum is dropping and opposition is rising rapidly."

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#41 Oct 31, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
Poll: Opposition to Same-Sex Marriage Grows in Wash.
The Elway poll is well-known for its conservative bias. It also showed similar results in Prop 71. I'm hoping Elway's poll is just as indicative how Prop 74 will turn out.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#42 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
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I don't know why you lie about it... the vast majority of gays want nothing to do with marriage and the few who do have "open" relationships, in which no value, nor importance whatsoever is placed on monogamous sexual relationships. Any exception to that rule is very rare. Everything about gay relationships is a lie, even their attempts at trying to appear acceptable and conform for some short time to traditional perceptions of what actually goes on in their domiciles. Marriage to homosexuals is an exhibitionist charade, having only to do with their distorted, maladjusted and unhealthy exhibitionist inclination... as is their destructive invasions of child rearing. Invasions of other's emotional space has to do with THAT, not any behavior pattern moderated through long term history, nor involvement in cultural norms, but only opposition to cultural norms. The same is true for any criminal mind.
The fact that YOU cannot maintain a monogamous same-sex relationship does not mean that there aren't others who can. I've been with ONE MAN for the past 8 years in a mutually monogamous relationship.

Next time, don't speak for others - you aren't qualified.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#43 Oct 31, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
<quoted text>
"Polling in Ohio & Florida show marriage equality at over 50% support."
You gays have a distorted interpretation of the word "majority". It's a hollow victory if almost half of the country still thinks you are perverted.
Majority is 50%+1 vote. If that's good enough to ban gays from marrying, then it's good enough to remove those same bans.

It's very telling your fellow anti-gays are so scared of just that happening in Ohio that they went to court to PREVENT the people from voting. Luckily they lost, and a vote will be held probably next year once the petitions are completed.

One way or another every state ban will be overturned, whether by the courts, the legislatures, or the people themselves.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#44 Oct 31, 2012
IrishmanLA wrote:
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The fact that YOU cannot maintain a monogamous same-sex relationship does not mean that there aren't others who can. I've been with ONE MAN for the past 8 years in a mutually monogamous relationship.
Next time, don't speak for others - you aren't qualified.
Yep! My husband I will be celebrating 19 years together in February. Only married a month now, but together nearly 19 years.

I actually think that this is one of the things the hate-mongers fear about marriage equality--that we'll start counting our years together better and make a bigger deal out of our lengthy marriages. They hate it when we keep our relationships together longer than they do!

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#45 Oct 31, 2012
Typesetting Division wrote:
<quoted text>Queers couldn't give 2 shits about this country, they just want welfare for deciding to become queers.
It's really not any more complicated than that.
All queers want is more special rights and more government welfare money because of how they say they like to have sex.
Just vote against everything a queer/Homocrat/Democrat/other welfare recipient would vote for and you're a solid American.
See ya @ the polls to fire Obummer in 6 days.
Name one special right gay people want.
Oh, looks like you are going to have to STFU, b!tch!

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#46 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
<quoted text>
You avoid the real issue... cultural norms in EVERY culture established for many thousands of years. Gays haven't fit into those cultural norms because their BEHAVIOR is aberrant, assaultive, their attitudes invasive and insistent to changing cultural norms, which 99% of the people on Earth cannot accept. Current confusions have nothing to do with overall perceptions of society toward gays, but weakness, tiredness and temporarily false perceptions (generated by the temporarily false behaviors) toward the assaults by sexual perverts. People don't fundamentally want to fight. When assaults go too far, people are willing to fight.
Marriage should be denied to homosexuals because they do not represent health, nor continuity. They represent degradation... an utter and radical core change in humanity's perception of itself and the benefits nuclear families have achieved for civilization. Corrections of other destructions in societal breakdowns are separate issues. It is not a matter of expanding the homosexual advance of human behavior contrary to health and stability, but is a matter of recriminalizing homosexual behavior to halt their assault.
You and I both know each other's positions. Apparently, you know nothing about the ferocity of humankind's dominant cultural structures, when threatening assaults become definable as anathema to their existences.
Zzzz...
Oh, um..
Oh, yeah, couldn't say awake through all that crap.
Your homophobia is caused by your inability to deal with your own same sex attractions.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#47 Oct 31, 2012
3OHY wrote:
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When such a small, deviant subculture becomes so assaultive as to openly and insistently push their deviance on inherently vulnerable children
Rose's Law...
Morons with no real argument scream, "But what about the children!?"

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#48 Oct 31, 2012
It's a win-win stituation no matter how the votes next week turn out.

If we win any of the states, we get marriage equality in that state and negate the anti-gay argument that "every time it comes up for a vote it loses".

If we lose any of the states, it reinforces the fact that we are a politically powerless minority which will affect the SCOTUS decision on whether we are classified as a quasi-suspect class and entitled to heightened scrutiny in the pending DOMA cases.

Obviously I'd prefer a win in all four states, but even a loss will help. The anti-gays constantly harping on the 0-32 record may actually HELP us in the long run. Gotta appreciate the irony of that.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#49 Oct 31, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
It's a win-win stituation no matter how the votes next week turn out.
If we win any of the states, we get marriage equality in that state and negate the anti-gay argument that "every time it comes up for a vote it loses".
If we lose any of the states, it reinforces the fact that we are a politically powerless minority which will affect the SCOTUS decision on whether we are classified as a quasi-suspect class and entitled to heightened scrutiny in the pending DOMA cases.
Obviously I'd prefer a win in all four states, but even a loss will help. The anti-gays constantly harping on the 0-32 record may actually HELP us in the long run. Gotta appreciate the irony of that.
Irony is a beautiful and wondrous thing. I can't wait to see the anti-equality side's faces when, whether tomorrow or a decade from now, marriage equality is voted in favour of all across the US.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#71 Nov 1, 2012
3OHY wrote:
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When such a small, deviant subculture becomes so assaultive as to openly and insistently push their deviance on inherently vulnerable children in primary schools, libraries, government outreach, etc., you can bet it's invading emotional space.
There is no hatred involved... anymore than one might hate any virulent disease, or mental disorder. We seek cures, not extermination.
Being gay isn't a culture, Dear, it's a natural trait. Gay folks are part of EVERY culture, from those racially based, to those religiously based, to every other culture that exists.

And you can't "push" a child to become gay. They either are, or they are not.

You can teach them bigotry, though. And gay folks are fighting that. NO child should be taught such a deviant and irrational thought process.

I mean, look at what it does to you.

You can't seem to form a single coherent thought, and logic completely escapes you. Hatred has damaged you in so many ways. The best thing we can do for our kids is to prevent that from happening to others in the future.

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