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Phelps tested free speech with anti-gay protests

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Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Mar 20, 2014
No, no bikers, no lawyers, no TV anchor-poodles paid any attention when the Phelps kk lan was picketing the funerals of gay people.

When they didn't get the notice the Phelps kk lan then switched to picketing the funerals of service members.

That is when, all of a sudden, "free speech" was tested. Not before.

This shows the nonsense of most "free speech" advocates who cannot conceive of taking into consideration the political, legal, societal power of the various parties involved when some First Amendment issue crops up.

They're all so abstracted from political power because the "experts" disproportionately benefit from their political power.
Qwerty

Chicago, IL

#2 Mar 21, 2014
I honestly see no difference between the Phelps clan and every other fundamentalist christian group out there. I guess I shouldn't say "no difference," but it's only a matter of degree. The underlying message is the same.

How is Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, and all those other pundits any different? Phelps should be lauded by these types of people - and probably is - in private. Phelps' message does not sit well with normal people, so the more hypocritical christianists have distanced themselves from him. But their underlying beliefs are identical.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#3 Mar 21, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
No, no bikers, no lawyers, no TV anchor-poodles paid any attention when the Phelps kk lan was picketing the funerals of gay people.
When they didn't get the notice the Phelps kk lan then switched to picketing the funerals of service members.
That is when, all of a sudden, "free speech" was tested. Not before.
This shows the nonsense of most "free speech" advocates who cannot conceive of taking into consideration the political, legal, societal power of the various parties involved when some First Amendment issue crops up.
They're all so abstracted from political power because the "experts" disproportionately benefit from their political power.
You have claimed that gay people have overwhelming support from the majority of Americans these days. If that was true then why was the Phelps clan ignored until they started attacking people other than gays?

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#4 Mar 21, 2014
Qwerty wrote:
I honestly see no difference between the Phelps clan and every other fundamentalist christian group out there. I guess I shouldn't say "no difference," but it's only a matter of degree. The underlying message is the same.
How is Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, and all those other pundits any different? Phelps should be lauded by these types of people - and probably is - in private. Phelps' message does not sit well with normal people, so the more hypocritical christianists have distanced themselves from him. But their underlying beliefs are identical.
You are exactly right. Good post. And it isn't so much that the KKKristians are anti-gay as it is they are pro-Bible. There are 6 verses in the Bible that are the anti-gay verses, one of them says gays shall be put to death. Who the hell do we think are supposed to be doing that "putting to death"? Why those who are filled with the love of God of course.

If biblicists are going to quote Old Law with respect to executing homosexuals, then why don't they quote verses which prescribe the death penalty for a wide variety of acts other than homosexuality?

All of the following warrant execution:

striking your father or mother Ex.21:15
kidnapping Ex. 21:6 RSV
cursing your father or mother Ex. 21:17 RSV, Lev. 20:9
touching a mountain Ex. 19:12 RSV
allowing your ox to gore someone Ex. 21:29
lying with a beast Ex. 22:19 RSV, Lev. 20:15-16
sacrificing to other gods Ex. 22:20 RSV
failing to observe the Sabbath Ex. 31:14-15
drinking strong drinks while in the tabernacle Lev. 10:9
committing adultery Lev. 20:10 RSV, Deut. 22:22
lying with your father's wife Lev. 20:11 RSV
lying with your daughter-in-law Lev. 20:12 RSV
being a medium or a wizard Lev. 20:27 RSV
being a witch Ex. 22:18
being a priest's daughter and becoming a whore Lev. 21:9 RSV
Blaspheming the name of the Lord Lev. 24:16
cursing Lev. 24:14 RSV
coming near the priesthood Num. 3:10
being a stranger who comes near the congregation's tabernacle Num. 3:38
gathering sticks on the Sabbath Num. 15:32-35
serving or worshipping other gods Deut. 17:2-5 RSV
showing contempt for the Lord's priest or judge Deut. 17:12 NIV
failing to obey one's parents Deut. 21:18-21
not being a virgin on your wedding day Deut. 22:20-21 NIV
being a betrothed virgin who did not cry out when seduced Deut. 22:23-24
having relations with your wife and her mother Lev. 20:14
telling people to seek other gods Deut. 13:2,5
being a false prophet Deut. 18:20

Biblicists teach, preach, and attempt to reach others with many OT moralisms, but are not adverse to selectivety using that which suits their interests. If they like an OT verse, they expound it; if they don't, they say that's from the Old Law and we aren't under the Old Law anymore. But aren't the Ten Commandments part of the Old Law? Yes, they say, but we are obligated to follow them because they are reported in the NT (Matt. 19:16-18, Mark 10:17-19, and Luke 18:18-22). People who assert as much should note that Jesus omitted half of the Ten Commanments. But even if they had been present, we would still be under all the Old Law, including the Decalogue, according to Christ ("And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of law to fail"--Luke 16:17, see also Matt. 5:18-19). If "sin is transgression of the law", as 1 John 3:4 says, then Christians should be following all of the Old Law.
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Mar 21, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You have claimed that gay people have overwhelming support from the majority of Americans these days. If that was true then why was the Phelps clan ignored until they started attacking people other than gays?
Oh you stupid, crazy waste of space, because the Phelps clan started picketing years ago, before lgbt rights and particularly marriage equality had not reached the tipping point.

As I said, the Phelps kkklan's antics played a large part in that progress.
Helen

United States

#6 Mar 22, 2014
Off with Shirley's head

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