Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg

Oct 24, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Hampshire Chronicle

Gay marriage already feels normal and matter of fact, Nick Clegg said tonight as he was presented with an award for helping to push through the controversial reforms.

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Why? The AMA defers to the APA in psychiatric matters. That's what the P stands for, see? Again I ask, are you hoping for the ADA or AAA to chime in? Maybe the KKK? I'm sure they all have "official statements" on one subject or another. But if you want an opinion about mental illness then you go the people who STUDY mental illness.
And yet, YOU DID NOT cite an organization which asserts that homosexuality IS a mental illness. You found an organization that does not directly deal with mental illness, who has a statement about neutrality and respect. Do not claim that "you did" what I asked when you made no such effort. The statement from the AMA which you referenced DOES NOT claim that homosexuality is a mental illness. Keep looking.
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Gee, maybe that could be because the APA are the experts on the subject?
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Except where I showed you that the leading body which handles mental illness says that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness. I don't know where else you need to hear it. Maybe there's a bubble gum manufacturer somewhere who has released a statement on an issue that they've done no research on.
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Sounds reasonable to me. The previous basis for the attitudes toward homosexuality came from a book with a talking donkey and a pregnant virgin. It was about time for an update.
A mental illness manifests a serious detriment to someone's life, and imparts great impediment on their daily living. Homosexuality does nothing of the sort. There is no BASIS for calling it a mental illness, other than plain old bigotry. Someone likes something you don't. Big deal. The proper response is NOT to just call them "crazy". Go find a site which unequivocally says that this IS a mental illness, and which shows their research which led them to that conclusion.
It worked. Get a bunch of gay psychiatrists and ask them if homosexuality is normal. You know the answer.

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It worked. Get a bunch of gay psychiatrists and ask them if homosexuality is normal. You know the answer.
A bunch of gay psychiatrists. Ha! Is that really the BEST you've got?

I ask you for a medical or scientific organization which has asserted that homosexuality IS a mental illness, and your BEST REPLY is to call them all gay?

Oh my, thanks for the laugh. Back the truck up, your credibility is in the mud about a mile back.

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The CDC can educate you. Many easy to understand (important for you) fact sheets.
I've read the CDC ESTIMATES......you failed to read it for what it's worth.......the fact that it AFFECTS people who DON'T practice SAFE SEX.......damn, stupid people CAN'T be fixed and you prove it with EVERY post!!!

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Which professional organizations do make the affirmative claim that homosexuality is not a disorder? Only the APA.
YOU are making a claim that homosexuality is not a medical or psychiatric disorder or abnormality. If YOUR claim is true, it should have support in the relevant professional fields and specialties. What credible scientific or medical evidence can you offer to support your claim?
So far, YOU'VE provided nothing
You expect me to prove that a non-existent disorder is not a disorder? You're an idiot.

There's no evidence that having red hair or green eyes is NOT a disorder either. Do you therefore assume that they are?

Homosexuality is NOT a disorder. If you want to prove it is, YOU need to provide the affirmative evidence.

I don't need to prove the negative.

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It doesn't say that it isn't.
It doesn't say that being left-handed isn't a disorder. By your logic, therefore being left-handed is a disorder since it hasn't been ruled out as one.

You're just being obtuse, willfully ignorance, or an ass.

I suspect it's all three.

The burden of proof is on those making the AFFIRMATIVE claim. You claimed that homosexuality is a disorder.

Prove it.

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I did, I posted the official statement of the AMA.
To sum it up, they said to be nonjudgmental. They don't recommend corrective therapy because they were asked not to by the APA.
They oppose corrective therapy because there is nothing to correct. If you have evidence that they "were asked not to by the APA", then provide that evidence.

You won't because you can't.

Which APA? Both the Psychological AND Psychiatric associations affirm that homosexuality is NOT a disorder.

You simply refuse to accept both mental health professional organizations because they flatly contradict your false claim.
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It really doesn't matter what any of these organizations say, you'll still be gay. No problem. Some of those on your side like to make unfounded claims and they always fail to back them up with supporting statements from the organizations they claim made them. Always.
Feel free to show an "unfounded claim" that I've made.
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"The young turks were all psychiatrists, all members of the APA and all liberal-minded easterners who had decided...
They decided to insist that the organization use science and evidence rather than superstition and irrational belief to arrive at a medical conclusion.

That really bothers the old-line conservatives. As well it should.

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Which professional organizations do make the affirmative claim that homosexuality is not a disorder? Only the APA.
YOU are making a claim that homosexuality is not a medical or psychiatric disorder or abnormality. If YOUR claim is true, it should have support in the relevant professional fields and specialties. What credible scientific or medical evidence can you offer to support your claim?
So far, YOU'VE provided nothing
Of course, you're simply lying.

You've been provided quotes from and links to specific statements from the two leading mental heath professional organizations in the United States -- the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association -- that specifically state that homosexuality is NOT a disorder.

Additionally, you have been provided quotes from and links to the American Medical Association statement that homosexuality should not be treated as a disorder.

Like a good anti-gay bigot, you simply refuse to accept the evidence presented to you, and deny it as evidence.

If we are wrong, then support your affirmative claim that homosexuality is a disorder. Where is YOUR evidence?

Probably the same place your head is... up your ass.
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<quoted text>We don't hate heterosexuals. Jeez... almost all of our friends and family are straight.

We hate ignorance. And morons like you.

I have absolutely no problem being called a hater when the object deserves it. You deserve it.

You're welcome.
That's a lot of hate words. Moron like me, object deserves it? Hmmm someone's a hater.

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That's a lot of hate words. Moron like me, object deserves it? Hmmm someone's a hater.
That's right! I hate morons like you.

Are you trying to use "hater" as a pejorative? As if I care? I don't. I gladly accept the moniker. There are plenty of things that are very deserving of a rational person's hatred. Willful ignorance is one.

Here's another word I'm not cowed by: "tolerance". I am quite happy to be described as intolerant. I am intolerant of stupidity. I'm intolerant of irrational discrimination. I'm intolerant of morons being in charge of or having a substantial say in the law that governs me.

So there. Regarding some things, like you and your ilk, I'm an intolerant hater.

You're welcome.
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<quoted text>That's right! I hate morons like you.

Are you trying to use "hater" as a pejorative? As if I care? I don't. I gladly accept the moniker. There are plenty of things that are very deserving of a rational person's hatred. Willful ignorance is one.

Here's another word I'm not cowed by: "tolerance". I am quite happy to be described as intolerant. I am intolerant of stupidity. I'm intolerant of irrational discrimination. I'm intolerant of morons being in charge of or having a substantial say in the law that governs me.

So there. Regarding some things, like you and your ilk, I'm an intolerant hater.

You're welcome.
Well how's it feel? You and your ilk have been treating us this way for years. See how quickly the tables turn HATER? You've been dumb enough to even type it out. You HATE and anything you do or say from now on is only babble. Congrats you hateful, bigoted, dumbass.

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Well how's it feel? You and your ilk have been treating us this way for years.


"Us"? Are you speaking for all morons and idiots like you?

Feels great.
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See how quickly the tables turn HATER? You've been dumb enough to even type it out. You HATE and anything you do or say from now on is only babble. Congrats you hateful, bigoted, dumbass.
I love it when the anti-gay cry foul for being picked on by the mean gay bullies. You poor slob. Come back when you grow a pair.
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<quoted text>"Us"? Are you speaking for all morons and idiots like you?

Feels great.

beers wrote, "See how quickly the tables turn HATER? You've been dumb enough to even type it out. You HATE and anything you do or say from now on is only babble. Congrats you hateful, bigoted, dumbass. "

I love it when the anti-gay cry foul for being picked on by the mean gay bullies. You poor slob. Come back when you grow a pair.
Hey sh!teater, your mental illness is showing!!

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Hey Brainless Twit.......why don't you go flush yourself down the drain along with your nasty attitude......thanks and by the way.....the grown-ups are having a discussion!!!
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Hey Brainless Twit.......why don't you go flush yourself down the drain along with your nasty attitude......thanks and by the way.....the grown-ups are having a discussion!!!
Just another sigh of your mental illness, talking to yourself. Strange creatures.

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Hey sh!teater, your mental illness is showing!!
Aww. Another poor slob.

You and your anti-gay buddies can't provide evidence from generally accepted medical or scientific peer-reviewed publications or professionals that homosexuality is a disorder, so all you're left with is ad hominem attacks.

That's why you guys are losing.

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Just another sigh of your mental illness, talking to yourself. Strange creatures.
No, unless you are me and you AREN'T......then I'm posting to an idiot who is clueless about Gays and Lesbians........by the way, I'm far from having mental issues or illness and I find folks like you who think people have something that they don't as just projecting!!!!

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Does the need for a rubber sheet at your age cause this anger we see in you?
Sorry, but again, your childish fantasies need to really stop......I have NO need for such things, and if you do.....I'm sorry for your issues!!!

Oh and what age do you think I happen to be at?
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Hey Brainless Twit.......why don't you go flush yourself down the drain along with your nasty attitude......thanks and by the way.....the grown-ups are having a discussion!!!
No you're not nasty and mean, only straight people are nasty and mean.

See what I'm saying? Of course you don't.
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You expect me to prove that a non-existent disorder is not a disorder? You're an idiot.
Amazing isn't it. A vote by a small minority of APA members did away with a disorder. Wouldn't it be great if they could vote away cancer, heart disease, HIV, etc.

No major medical organization has said, in an official statement, that homosexuality isn't a disorder. They all have released official statements on homosexuality.

It is your right to believe that you don't have a disorder and my right to believe you do. It is your right to support gay marriage and my right not to.
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Additionally, you have been provided quotes from and links to the American Medical Association statement that homosexuality should not be treated as a disorder.
I know. The AMA says your disorder shouldn't be treated as one. The also say that doctors shouldn't be judgmental. They do not say that homosexuality is not a disorder even though many gays like to claim they do. Is that ignorance or just lies? A little of both
I think.

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