Church, state collide at gay-marriage...

Church, state collide at gay-marriage corner

There are 360 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Nov 16, 2008, titled Church, state collide at gay-marriage corner. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

The people a ' of some states, anyway a ' have spoken: What they had to say was pretty ugly and un-Christian, considering that a couple of influential churches threw their weight around.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Santa Fe New Mexican.

David Parker

AOL

#248 Nov 21, 2008

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#249 Nov 21, 2008
dan H wrote:
The argument for same-sex-marriage goes beyond religion, tradition and civil rights. It is my argument, that love and intimacy an intrinsic right of all people. It is a natural part of human development and no government or institution has the authority to deny a free man friendship, family and sexual intimacy.
Homosexuality is not illegal in the United State of America; therefore comparisons to polygamy, incest, and bestiality are moot. The United States of America guarantees freedom of religion; therefore arguments that homosexuality is an abomination, and a sin are moot. I agree that these issues shape public opinion and are often the foundation of religious beliefs, however they must be left at the doors of justice to ensure equality under the law for all people.
I think you will find it would have been better to live with the same sex unions and have foregone the demands for "marriage".

Since: Oct 08

Questa, NM

#250 Nov 21, 2008
flyboy wrote:
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Potential harm? More like obession and fear. Change has happened in societies forever. Change is happening now. You either get on the train or get run over.
P.S. It dosent matter if the gay population is small or less than heterosexuals. They are still first class citizens and still REQUIRE EQUAL RIGHTS.
That is the problem, they don't want equal rights, they want special treatment......

Since: Sep 08

Miyazaki

#251 Nov 21, 2008
Nick Tremble wrote:
"But the limits on freedom are based on the potential harm which might done to others."
Bingo. And it's precisely because of that potential harm that the electorate is not prepared to re-define marriage to suit the whims of a small faction in this particular generation.
Well, we can finally agree on the criteria on which gay marriage should be prevented. That's a good first step. So, again, for the umpteenth time, what is the "potential harm" to you, me, or anyone else, of allowing a gay couple to marry? So far, the only harm I have seen you posit, is that it offends your sensitivities, for whatever perverse reasons.

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#252 Nov 21, 2008
David Parker wrote:
Thank you for posting that, David.

Since: Sep 08

Miyazaki

#253 Nov 21, 2008
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is your personal opinion, Steve. Far from an absolute.
Simple fact is gay marriage makes a mockery of marriage.
Gay marriage doesn't make a mockery of my marriage, Dave. Does it make a mockery of yours?

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#254 Nov 21, 2008
It mocks the institution of marriage, Steve.
David Parker

AOL

#255 Nov 21, 2008
Did you even bother to view the links that I sent you? Try to take some time and have an open mind--then we'll talk further
David Parker

AOL

#257 Nov 21, 2008
Nick---- great--- you are seeking the truth--or understand it already--Thanks
flyboy

Richmond, VA

#258 Nov 21, 2008
Nick Tremble wrote:
Those links from Parker are very troubling. This demomstrates the insidious way in which our children are being not-so-subtly indoctrinated with this poison, and how those that resist are persecuted and villified.
The only poison is the hate. And more hate. And more hate. From idiots who cant back up their positions with any knowledgeable facts excpt a 2000-3000 year old book.
David Parker

AOL

#259 Nov 21, 2008
Flyboy- when it come to the consummation of "gay marriage"---well, you can't repeal the laws of nature.

And To compare traditional heterosexual marriage, a unity and celebration of gender diversity in a child's upbringing, with a marriage construct that PURPOSEFULLY denies a mother or father from a young child's life----is like comparing apples with moon rocks. When you attempt to exactly equate constructs that are fundamentally and qualitatively different-- you will inevitably arrive at false conclusions.

(There you go-- I didn't even mention the bible)

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#262 Nov 21, 2008
flyboy wrote:
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The only poison is the hate. And more hate. And more hate. From idiots who cant back up their positions with any knowledgeable facts excpt a 2000-3000 year old book.
I am not constrained or influenced by that old book. Humanity has a long experience with homosexuality and why it should not be allowed to come out of the closet. These prohibitions come from that long experience encompassing a variety of religious and secular societies.

Birds of a feather flock together. As exemplified by the proponents of gay marriages on this forum and around the country, gays have a problem with self control and being impartial or rational. They will protect each other, and they can be quite vicious and uncaring about human rights or "doing the right thing" in pursuit of advancing one of their own or going after a perceived enemy.
Zorkon756

Honolulu, HI

#264 Nov 21, 2008
That is the problem, they don't want equal rights, they want special treatment......

I agree Truitt. Heterosexuals have had special treatment for years, tax advantages to boot. Time to end the special treatments.
duststorm

Houston, TX

#265 Nov 21, 2008
Nick Tremble wrote:
It should outrage parents everywhere that not only are schools participating in the premature sexualization of children, but are offering unhealthy and abnormal relationships as a cultural norm. This is one of the "potential harms" that the gay activists refuse to acknowledge. Most people are unwilling to risk the health of future generations to pander to the pushy and militant tactics of a small dysfunctional faction in this particular generation.
They are bringing forth convoluted arguments to legitimize a sad lifestyle.

Since: Oct 08

Portland, OR

#266 Nov 21, 2008
Some ignorant Str8 men are terrified of same sex marriage because they are afraid that gays and lesbians will be proved to be better and more faithful marriage partners, and better and more dependable parents than they are.

Once that is established, they have no one to blame but themselves for the sad state of heterosexual marriage.

They also know that once same sex coulping loses it's strigma, that many more men and women that now live a lie, or get it on the down low, will be free to come out and live as a gay man or lesbian.

That will reduce the women partners possibly available to them. Some of those guys might end up partnerless, or forced to consider indulging their own homoerotic urges to get a sex partner.

They are attempting to control people for their own benefit. They want to maintain the status quo, because in a world where people get to actually choose a partner, and are not steered or frightened into a heterosexual mariiage some of them might not get chosen at all.

And based on the hate I've seen expressed toward us, I've no doubt some of those guys deserve to be left behind. The rest of us are evolving.

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#267 Nov 21, 2008
Nick Tremble wrote:
"Live and let live" is not sufficient for gay activists. They'll be satisfied with nothing less than full recognition and approval of their deviant urges. And, when the population demonstrates tolerance for aberrant behavior, this is used to force even more social re-engineering using any means necessary.
Do not be surprised if these gay activists are encouraged or funded in some part by foreign interests.
David Parker

AOL

#268 Nov 21, 2008
The civil partnerships give all the legal rights as marriage. They want AFFIRMATION--even if it is forced on society, even if they have to subvert democracy...and even indoctrinating it's youngest members. Young children must AFFIRM , embrace, and celebrate homosexuality and gay marriage..as just another form of diversity...Diversity-the trojan hourse of this agenda.
duststorm

Houston, TX

#269 Nov 21, 2008
flyboy wrote:
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The only poison is the hate. And more hate. And more hate. From idiots who cant back up their positions with any knowledgeable facts excpt a 2000-3000 year old book.
I love to tell the story; For those who know it best Seem hungering and thisting to hear it, like the rest: And when, in scenes of glory, I sing the new, new song,'Twill be the old, old story That I have loved so long. I love to tell the story,'Twill be my theme in glory To tell the old, old story of Jesus and his love.
Zorkon756

Honolulu, HI

#270 Nov 21, 2008
Homophobia is indeed a sad lifestyle. Those afflicted with this malady often have other anti-social tendencies such as superiority complexes. It is the mindset of the school yard bully. They represent the black hatted cowboys in the westerns. Sooner or later the traumatized citizens get together and run them out of town.

So far they have dumped the kitchen sink into this conversation. First, its a sin, then a genetic problem, then the will of the majority, then a mental illness, etc. Talk about convolution.

Fact is there are humans and animals. Humans should be treated as such and not as animals. Problem is the people advocating anti-social behavior as a virtue think the gay population are all animals. With no moral ethics, they would send them all to gas chambers and high five each other for a job well done.

Since: Sep 08

La Madera, NM

#271 Nov 21, 2008
Zorkon756 wrote:
Homophobia is indeed a sad lifestyle. Those afflicted with this malady often have other anti-social tendencies such as superiority complexes. It is the mindset of the school yard bully. They represent the black hatted cowboys in the westerns. Sooner or later the traumatized citizens get together and run them out of town.
So far they have dumped the kitchen sink into this conversation. First, its a sin, then a genetic problem, then the will of the majority, then a mental illness, etc. Talk about convolution.
Fact is there are humans and animals. Humans should be treated as such and not as animals. Problem is the people advocating anti-social behavior as a virtue think the gay population are all animals. With no moral ethics, they would send them all to gas chambers and high five each other for a job well done.
"With no moral ethics"

But Zorkon, morality is relevant.

When the morals of some become a threat to the majority, then siht happens.

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